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So here is the computer I am getting ready to purchase...
Do you all think the RAM and the GRAPHICS card will be enough for me to produce visualizations and modeling in software such as 3ds Max 2011/2012 & Revit?
double the RAM if you can afford it (buy from Crucial instead of paying Dell's mark-up)
Looks pretty heavy duty.My system is nowhere near that but I would think it should do the job comfortably.How much is that costing you? Are you building your system or is it from the brand shown in the picture?
@rehiggins - This is the HPE510t series computer from HP...I did a little customizing to load it up with the i7 processor. I will definitely check out "Crucial" site though, thanks!
I think you are better off building your own.
@Token AE - Awesome feedback! I have a friend that may be able to help me build a workstation computer...I will check into MicroCenter as well.
The cpu is perfect its about 30% faster than the i7-920 and 5-6 times faster than your laptopif you take the model K there is an integrated gpu that will do the job surprisingly well.The reason for that is that the prossesor is that good and not a bottleneck. In earlier systems before i7s the gpus in 3dsmax were bottlenecked by the cpu. The GT440 will do better but not that much better. You may add an Ati (amd) 6950 Which is a very good card later. Atis are smoother in 3dsmax viewports than nvidias and this cuda thing nvidias GPU rendering isn't important yet. Your raid 0 is grate but i would put an extra drive for my system install and use the raid for work files . if this extra drive was a solid state it would be grate (not less than 64GB more than 80 at best. Also monitor is important. cheap ones dont do the job. Look for a IPS panel (not TN) with good viewing angles and good color
Use it as a learning experience- everything is fairly easy to hook up on your own if you can follow directions.
Also, I just got a new workstation for the office and spec'd out systems from several manufacturers (I don't have the time to source/build a machine). BOXX ended up being the cheapest and best system with the DELL option being over twice the price for less power. The other benefit to BOXX is that there's no crapware pre-installed and it's purpose built for 3D modeling/Revit.
Can anyone recommend a good laptop for the same task? I am pigeon-holed at my work to create lot of needless renderings in Revit and 3ds Max. Since i've become pretty decent at it, i've been getting a lot of freelance jobs too. Though i find desktops are more bangs for bucks, i need to have a mobile workstation to work in different places.
I've found Lenovo W520 interesting,
Intel Core i7-2720QM Processor (2.20GHz, 6MB L3)1
Genuine Windows 7 Professional 6412
15.6" HD+ (1600 x 900) LED Backlit Anti-Glare Display, Mobile Broadband Ready
NVIDIA Quadro 1000M Graphics with 2GB DDR3 Memory --> they also offer Quadro 2000M too, i don't know if it's worth $200 more
4 GB PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM 1333MHz SODIMM Memory (1 DIMM)8
320 GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm4
@stavrogin - great information -- I really look forward to getting a new desktop computer. I will do a double check on the 3ds max 2012 requirements page for the graphics card.
@Token AE spouted out all of the best suggestions. I have very little to say now. Good job.
@fluxbound - Thanks, it is something I have never gotten into but it I know it would be a great experience. Learning more about the essential part of my everyday workflow could make a big change in my production.
This site has good reviews for hardware especially related to your field. That site is pretty cool all around though.http://www.cadalyst.com/listing/27/hardware
@STASIS -your mobile workstation looks very good. Lenovo is a good firm. My brother uses a 12" lenovo in the construction sites and it stands dust and dirt. I can't give you advice for the VGA, it looks good as is. Double the Ram to 8GB and you are ok.
@breezviz- autodesk will suggest a professional vga Quadro and Fire GL types. Much more expensive. You don't realy need this kind of hardware. I've seen breathtaking artists working with the exact system you are going to build. From these sources comes my info www.cgsociety.org ,
Thanks for your good feedback. I was thinking of buying more Rams separately since Lenovo charges way too much for it. I noticed that it's on sale at $1600 now (from 2300), i wonder how long that sale last.
Thanks everyone. I have done so much research and I figured that I would try my best to stay around $1000.00 (including a monitor). I went to BOXX and discovered the workstations. I was impressed, but I don't think I can afford their machines.
@stavrogin- thanks for the information from cgsociety. I am not a master or professional quite yet, but I just need an upgrade from this laptop, so a machine such as the one I posted will probably fit my budget.
@Rasa - The cadalyst website was awesome as well. They have great reviews.
I will keep everyone updated on my final decision.
Try www.ibuypower.com. They have got some great deals there, with goodies like watercooling included.
I'm off to study the M.Arch II at Cornell in June, because I am an international student, and the course will mean travelling between the NYC and Ithaca campus I'm looking at laptops.After looking at Dell, HP, Asus, Lenovo, BOXX, I've found that Dell seems to be the most cost efficient?Specs: Intel i7-2720QM, 17.3" Display, 8GB DDR3 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GT 550M 1GB graphics, 9-cell Battery, 1.0TB 500GB 7.2k HDD x 2With coupons I found online the total price (free shipping) comes to a total of $1,330 USD (not sure if I need to pay tax of this?)2 things i'm undecided about:#1) 900p vs 1080p display? (+$100)#2) GeForce® GT 550M 1GB vs GT 555M 3GB (+$150)Thanks for your input!
Seriously advising against using a laptop as your rendering work horse, especially if you're going into a three year program just now. In the next year and a half to two you're going to see GPU enabled renderers come into the mainstream (Indigo already has some CUDA/OpenCL support, Maxwell has hinted at it, Octane runs on CUDA).Mobile GPUs only pack a fraction of the processing power (when it comes to rendering performance) as compared to desktops. It has to do with the number of actual processing cores embedded in the card.Get a cheaper laptop. Get a good home rig, setup VNC/make GoToMyPC trial accounts during exam periods, and render using that. I know this sounds awfully technical, but it pays off exponentially. Designing a coherent, streamlined way of working through grad school will give you a huge advantage over most of your classmates.
Hey fluxbound! really appreciate the input!Considering that the M.Arch II is 3 semesters - summer in NYC, Fall and Spring in Ithaca, and after graduation, internship in an unknown location - a laptop may be the most efficient option?Speaking of GPU enabled renderers - has anyone tried Vray 2.0?
So, I believe my decision is to build this workstation myself -- It will be better for me in the long-run because I will eventually need to know how to add more memory or replace my graphics card...and it will be a learning experience.
Here are my final specs (and all I need is a good monitor, motherboard, and maybe a fan):
Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bitProcessor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 quad-core processor with Turbo-Boost [up to 3.8GHz, 8MB cache]Memory 8GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs]Hard drive 80GB SSD & 1TB SATA HDDGraphics card 1 GB DDR3 NVIDIA GTS 250Primary optical drive LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti driveNetworking Integrated Ethernet port, Wireless LANProductivity ports 15-in-1 memory card reader, 1 USB, audioSound Card Beats Audio (tm) -- integrated studio quality sound
Yes you are going to need more ram than that. A good rendering can take up a lot of ram while processing. Plus your files (amusing you are an architecture student learning outside stuff) from your educator is going to take up a lot of space man trust i'm going thru it now if you need some bitmaps I got a whole vray material library. Also are you good at Photoshop and after effects? I'm trying to get a hold on it and i haven't purchased looks builder yet,but have training videos.
MyDream, It's a rather old post you and Aboveandbeyond are responding to. What ever the OP was shopping for is surely outdated by a cubic light-year, maybe even two.
But, for what it's worth, renderings are processed primarily through the computer's CPU, not GPU (graphics card) so throwing extra RAM into a mid-range machine is rather pointless. Spend as much as you can on the CPU, the rest can be added afterwards.
I built a super pc for $2500.
Here are the specs:
- 32gb ram
- 1 intel i7 3960x hex core processor at 3.8ghz per core
- 1 nvidia graphics card
-1 sabertooth motherboard (windows 8 compatible)
- 2x500gb storage drives
- 1 320gb operating system drive
- windows 7 ultimate
- kaspersky lab antivirus
- Liquid Cooling
RAM, Cooling, Chassis, and power supply all from Corsair.
I had a laptop with 4 gigs of ram and when I snapped on adaptive dmc and set my render settings to what they needed to be it just would shut off. I mean a blank black screen, the laptop's ram ran out so that is what I was trying to tell him. Now the computer that I have now, which has 16 gigs of ram can take anything I can throw at it I have rendered scenes that have taken up 11.4 gigs of ram while rendering.
and yes your right 2011 is a long time ago.
The bare minimum is 32GB for 3D modelling and better to use a workstation with 3930K or similar with 6 core. I'm not suppressed your laptop just gave up. For rendering small scenes you will be fine with 16GB RAM but 32-64 is more appropriate. If you want to render for example animations then you need a render farm. You can get a small one (for example) from here : http://www.3drenderfarm.com or you can find a company who has huge render farm capacity to render any scenes/animations.
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