What about the folks that get published in architectural digest?
Urbanist
Feb 1, 10 2:58 pm
There are also firms like Tod Williams' superb atelier (TWBTA), where the principals are independently wealthy, for non-architectural reasons.. allowing them to take on only choice commissions.
I really doubt we belong on your list, Barry.. I never thought of our principals as being wealthy.
Cherith Cutestory
Feb 1, 10 3:13 pm
who cares?
They've gone to plaid!
Feb 1, 10 3:21 pm
Fernando Romero of LAR is filthy, but not from architecture.
rethinkit
Feb 1, 10 3:41 pm
Jonathan Segal in San Diego - He is a developer and architect
Brad Pitt has no license, therefore I would consider him a lucky man who is rich enough to pay people to let him help design.
snook_dude
Feb 1, 10 7:42 pm
I would say the richest non-architect..architect has to be Prince Charles. He is way ahead of Brad in the wealth market, he even had a nice looking lady once upon a time.
Urbanist
Feb 1, 10 8:32 pm
Prince Charles' oeuvre of (reactionary) urban planning: Poundbury:
I forgot about chuck! hmmm, Wonder if Andres Duany has milked the CNU for all its worth.
this topic came up while discussing pro practice with a colleague and I figured it would be a good thread - not that I care or expect to get into the league of gehry or foster...
montagneux
Feb 1, 10 9:24 pm
Snook, Prince Charles' net worth is only somewhere around 40-60 million USD. Even if the number I remember is in pounds and is the higher number, Prince Charles' net worth is around 96 million USD.
Brad Pitt's net worth is between 150-180 million USD.
Yearly income... Brad Pitt makes between 25-35 million USD versus Prince Charles recent record breaking deal of 29 million USD.
Other than widespread use of EIFS and gaudy post-modern ideology, I see nothing wrong is Poundbury. I wouldn't really be calling it reactionary either considering modernism was a reactionary ideology to European traditionalism and this is a traditional European town.
Those parkways are kind of ghastly though.
babs
Feb 1, 10 10:56 pm
"Prince Charles' net worth is only somewhere around 40-60 million USD."
Maybe so, but what happens when dear ol' Mummy dies? Isn't she the richest woman in the world? Certainly that'll put a few pounds in Chuck's pocket.
Janosh
Feb 1, 10 11:48 pm
I think it is cute when people design medieval village that make their aristocratic titles seem less anachronistic.
But seriously - I don't think that Prince Charles can be the world's richest architect because he is already the world's richest watercolourist:
Is Art Gensler still alive? That dude must have made dozens!
David Cuthbert
Feb 1, 10 11:55 pm
the Royals are not measured by $$; the queen's face is on over 50 currencies, and is the head of state for about 150... it's about power... real power... money can't buy that.
Foster in 2007 was the uk's highest paid architect earning 2m a year. This does not include his other earnings however
snook_dude
Feb 2, 10 1:47 pm
monte.....but brad doesn't have the jewels and art treasurers that the royal family holds. That is the difference. I think Charles is worth alot more than we will ever know even if he is a lousy Prince Architect.
montagneux
Feb 2, 10 6:52 pm
The art and jewels no longer belong to the royals.
outed
Feb 2, 10 10:27 pm
doesn't this discussion depend on whether or not we're talking about architects who have made their money as the professionals or which architects happen to be wealthy (whether from family or whatever).
for example, graham gund (principal of gund partnership) came from family money. now, my guess is his firm has done quite well over the years and he's been involved in real estate, art, etc. so, he's made quite a bit of money through those ventures. i don't have the first clue to his net worth, nor do i think it matters, but he's certainly got to be up there on the list.
Wood Guy
May 12, 21 1:35 pm
I used to work as a carpenter in Graham Gund's neighborhood and once fixed his sliding glass door. Bastard never paid.
Oops, old post. My comment stands...
msudon
Feb 2, 10 10:50 pm
I am interested in the flip-side: the most well-known name attached to the smallest amount; though bad business or scale, whichever
Barry Lehrman
Feb 3, 10 1:34 pm
Lots of folks have gone bankrupt including Aurthur Erickson along the way. Lots of firms have recently shut down including some large well known practices.
snook_dude
Feb 3, 10 8:03 pm
monte.....you got me there...think his jewels belong to Mrs Camile.
Justin Ather Maud
Feb 3, 10 8:27 pm
Rafael Vinole used to advertise a "pilot" on his web site.
msudon
Feb 3, 10 10:54 pm
barry-I am imagine that to be true, I guess I am more curious about who makes the most noise and does the least business
otis151
Feb 4, 10 12:20 am
Vinoly does indeed have a pilot and his own plane. There is a space for the pilot to log flight time and jet fuel on the general employee time sheet at RVA.
natematt
May 12, 21 3:01 pm
A small associate firm I worked with had their own plane and one of the Architects was the co-pilot. They had found it as a reasonable cost measure for the travel they had to do back and forth on particular work.
Moral of the story, not always an indicator of intense wealth
Vinoly probably has a nicer plane though...
tduds
May 12, 21 3:45 pm
A plane, while not exactly cheap and certainly wasteful, is a lot less expensive than most people would expect.
JLC-1
May 12, 21 3:50 pm
the PE on one of my projects flies to CO meetings, a small piper for a 90 mile round trip.
Non Sequitur
May 12, 21 4:01 pm
I have a client who just purchased a helicopter to fly between their houses/businesses.
jacquesakajackgerber
May 12, 21 2:12 am
What about Gensler?
randomised
May 12, 21 3:46 am
He’s dead
whistler
May 13, 21 7:27 pm
Tis a flesh w
ound
monosierra
May 12, 21 8:48 am
Charles Luckman had an interesting career: From successful CEO of a major American company that has nothing to do with architecture, then retiring to become a successful commercial architect.
Miles Jaffe
May 12, 21 12:45 pm
As if money was the measure of anything meaningful ... <sigh>
tduds
May 12, 21 12:53 pm
Having money's not everything, not having it is.
Miles Jaffe
May 12, 21 7:43 pm
Our incomes are like our shoes; if too small, they gall and pinch us; but if too large, they cause us to stumble and to trip.
bowling_ball
May 12, 21 10:23 pm
Miles - spoken like somebody who's always had it. No, you can't buy happiness, but you can rent it. Speaking from experience, it sure takes the edge off.
Miles Jaffe
May 12, 21 11:05 pm
Funny. While in grammar school (PS 6 in Manhattan) I lived in a closet in my father's 2-room ground floor office. I remember coming "home" to find an eviction notice under the door, and taking the subway with my father down to the AT&T building to pay the bill before the phone got turned off.
Miles Jaffe
May 12, 21 11:20 pm
A big night out was Tad's Steak house.
So keep talking as if you know something about me and I'll keep pretending you're not a condescending asshole.
apkouv
May 13, 21 8:51 am
If you had it easy all your life, you cannot empathize with those who worked hard and earned it (Money, architect's title etc)
bowling_ball
May 13, 21 9:12 am
Apparently that hit a little too close to home, eh Miles?
Non Sequitur
May 13, 21 9:13 am
Apk, the only thing you work hard at is chirping at Miles... and even there you've offered nothing of substance.
Miles Jaffe
May 13, 21 9:48 am
Those who anonymously snipe from the shadows don't have the balls or intgrity to face a man directly. It's a sad commentary on a number of things but mostly upon themselves.
tduds
May 13, 21 11:23 am
The Miles criticism here is unwarranted, y'all. I expect it from apkouv since its their entire personality, but b_b, wtf?
Chad Miller
May 13, 21 11:47 am
bowling_ball - how else would you expect someone to respond when they grew up poor and you said that they lead a privileged life? All you're doing is making assumptions about someone's past because it fits your opinions. Basically you're being a douche.
Chad Miller
May 13, 21 11:49 am
apkouv / Jay1122 - don't be a such a coward. If you're going to attempt to talk shit about someone be an adult. Don't try to hide behind two anonymous profiles.
Jay1122
May 13, 21 11:53 am
go fk urself Chad. Why did you bring me into the fight. I love seeing you guys battle it out. That miles is a shortsighted narrow minded dick. Of course he is gonna offend people. But I don't waste time with narrow minded dick like miles. Fking leave me out of it. Stop protecting your old forum buddy too much. I don't see anything wrong with BB's comment.
Jay1122
May 13, 21 12:12 pm
Chad, its just so funny and ironic how you laugh at BB assuming someone's past based on opinion and calling him douche. And immediately assume that apkouv is my 2nd profile based on your opinion. Man you are douche to a level. How much is the rich miles paying you to support him. It is paid per post or duration?
tduds
May 13, 21 12:13 pm
Suspiciously quick response.
Jay1122
May 13, 21 12:15 pm
Nah, you know I am always around in the forum browsing. But I only reply to posts of interest. Only brought in because of Chad. Anyway leave me out of it. Go resume your dick battle. I honestly give 0 fucks.
Non Sequitur
May 13, 21 12:19 pm
I see it's a slow day in Jay's dead-end generic box production office. This will be fun.
Jay1122
May 13, 21 12:20 pm
Well it is lunch time. So I do have some time to spare. Although not as much time as you guys wasted here. You titans made up half of the posts in this forum. I don't even know how you guys have all those times to post in this forum if you are so successful with your "creative" projects.
tduds
May 13, 21 12:32 pm
ADHD.
Chad Miller
May 13, 21 12:38 pm
Jay - I don't know Miles and he's no my 'buddy'. You really seem to dislike the man though. I suspect it's because he doesn't agree with you about architectural theory. I do think that you and apkouv are the same person because of you both dump on Miles for not being an architect. You both have said that his opinions don't matter because he's not licensed. I find that odd as you're not licensed yet you expect us to respect your opinions.
You want to cast shade on other work? Post up some of your design work then and show us how it's supposed to be done.
Go on. Post up.
Jay1122
May 13, 21 12:52 pm
Wow wow wow, when did I said he is not licensed and opinion does not even matter. And when did I laughed at his work? His middle finger craft to me is pretty good. Dude, stop making stuff up to make me look bad. I don't even know how old that miles is or what job he does. But I do think he is a jerk. Even when I was reading an archinect article back in 2016, his comment is a typical arrogant douche one. But I honestly don't care. He can be whatever jerk he wants to be as long as he does not reply his douche comment to my post. Just leave me out of it. And you know I work in a generic box making office that NS is using to diss me. I wouldn't be here if im doing "creative" architecture projects.
Chad Miller
May 13, 21 12:56 pm
Yes you have said that. Not that you'd remember. You said yourself that you don't recall what you post from hour to hour.
Post any of your design work. Academic, theoretical, it's all relevant. Hell, post up your design sketches, renderings, or details.
Go on. Post up.
Jay1122
May 13, 21 1:00 pm
I don't know dude. are you sure you didn't get mixed up? Because I seriously don't know Mile's background. Neither do I care. Anyway, Just leave me out of your dick battles. I am not going to try to help educate you guys. Made that mistake last time. Hey if you think you won. let it be. I know you are the arrogant type, Chad. And you always love to be the one finishing the post to feel like you won. Like last time you proved to me. so go ahead.
Chad Miller
May 13, 21 1:03 pm
I'm not mistaken.
Now post up any of your work. You say you're such a good designer. Come on Jay, show us how it's supposed to be done.
Jay1122
May 13, 21 1:16 pm
Ah Chad. you've fallen again. And you are spreading wrong information again. And I would never say I am a good designer. That I can guarantee you. It is against my philosophy on architecture. There are no good or bad, only different choices and preferences with different focuses based on difference circumstances. The evaluation of such work should not be a simple good/bad. And even the word "design" is something I do not like to use much. That word is too generic, some people think picking room paint colors and finishes is design. Anyway, It is you that think I said I am a good designer with your personal opinion that I am someone arrogant who would say that. But whatever dude. I am out. Posting work does not do anything. In front of hostility. Even Prizker winning work will be viewed as trash. Also, it takes skill to see architecture beyond pretty pictures. You can only see as much as your paradigm allows.
Chad Miller
May 13, 21 1:24 pm
Jay - you have commented here many time about what your view of real design is. You've then gone on to say that you could teach us all about real design.
I think that is you saying you're a good designer. Also it contradicts your entire line of thinking about using the word designer.
Jay1122
May 13, 21 1:29 pm
wow dude when did I said doing CA work as not being real architects. I am doing a bunch of CA right now. And building code? That thing is like coordination of MEP systems. Part of the job. Many ways to get it done. But it is not the main drive force of Architecture. Jesus, you are such jerk keep spreading wrong information. Ah whatever, must be your new tactic. I am not gonna get pulled in.
Ah, I see that you edited the comments off because clearly it is too loose to have a basis. Meh whatever.
Chad Miller
May 13, 21 1:32 pm
You told NS that he wasn't a real designer and didn't have any talent because all he did was CA. Just because you can't remember what you've written here doesn't mean that others aren't able to.
Honestly I think it's just that your so arrogant that you think your current views / options are the only correct interpretation. Unfortunately you're so inexperienced that often you're talking out of your ass.
Jay1122
May 13, 21 1:34 pm
Ah whatever, break is over. Go ahead and finish the post, and you've "won" again. What a fking douche just have to drag me into the mud.
Chad Miller
May 13, 21 1:36 pm
Look back at your post history.
Jay1122
May 13, 21 1:49 pm
I bet it is your typical copy a middle of the sentence, distort the view and "imply" the meaning, putting word on other's mouth strategy. Have seen you done that many times. And seriously, stop trying to drag NS into the mud. Man, I just have to put you troll on ignore. Wish there is a blacklist feature on this forum. Don't want the troll to see my post or reply to mine. Successfully got baited today. And go ahead, finish the post again. I know arrogant guy like you have to finish.
Non Sequitur
May 13, 21 2:00 pm
Gents (assuming), don’t bother me while a drink my delicious beer (while getting paid) in the sunshine.
Chad Miller
May 13, 21 2:19 pm
NS - Only if you promise not to bother me while I try to get this office addition to not look like burning garbage.
Chad Miller
May 13, 21 2:22 pm
Jay - from your response I take it you found the post I'm referring to and are now trying to cover yourself. Good luck with that. Oh and I'm not trolling you. I'm just calling out your behavior.
Jay1122
May 13, 21 3:20 pm
Don't worry, I did not check my post history. Neither do I give a fk about what I said. This is random internet posts, not some architecture manifestos. Why don't you waste time and browse through the chat history to shove it to me. See if I give a fk. Ah. engaged troll again. But at this point, I am just curious on how strong is your arrogant last post wins argument desire. Go prove me wrong.
Chad Miller
May 13, 21 3:39 pm
Not trolling you. Just letting you contradict yourself . . . Have fun.
bowling_ball
May 13, 21 9:42 pm
*whistles and walks away slowly*
Chad Miller
May 14, 21 10:11 am
Oh no you don't, get back here BB. :P
bowling_ball
May 14, 21 6:04 pm
I'm here! Just finishing up a terrible but fun round of golf. Because that's what I'm expected to do now.
randomised
May 15, 21 2:14 pm
Golfing with bowling balls, now that’s a sport I’d be into!
Chad Miller
May 18, 21 10:02 am
Dang, what type of driver to do you use to hit a six pound bowling ball!?
randomised
May 18, 21 3:31 pm
A Minnie Driver
Chad Miller
May 12, 21 12:46 pm
I'm rich in experience. :P
Miles Jaffe
May 12, 21 12:48 pm
That and $2 will get you a cup of coffee.
SneakyPete
May 12, 21 12:50 pm
$2 for a cup of coffee? In 2021? Where are you, Delhi?
tduds
May 12, 21 12:51 pm
He never said *good* coffee.
SneakyPete
May 12, 21 12:55 pm
That's very true.
Non Sequitur
May 12, 21 12:56 pm
he never specified the cup size
Chad Miller
May 12, 21 1:05 pm
I'm a solid B cup.
Miles Jaffe
May 12, 21 7:41 pm
I get fresh roast (daily) fresh ground for $2 (12 oz, plus $1 refills). Plus I can walk there in minutes. Haven't been to FourBucks in years and years, It's probably FiveBucks now for the same 'tall' 10oz. stale burnt sludge.
tduds
May 12, 21 8:45 pm
a large (sorry, "Venti") drip coffee at Starbucks is $1.95.
Chad Miller
May 13, 21 10:40 am
I don't drink coffee.
Chad Miller
May 12, 21 12:53 pm
Net worth as of 2018 . . . .
Foster - $200 million
Gehry - $100 million
Zaha - $0 dead
Portman - $20 million
Piano - $20 million
Conran - $85 million
Jerde - $0 dead
Gruen - $37 million
Arup - $0 dead
JLC-1
May 12, 21 1:51 pm
moshe safdie - 150 m
Chad Miller
May 12, 21 2:01 pm
It's also their net worth - NOT assets. In addition who knows what's happened since 2018.
natematt
May 12, 21 2:59 pm
"Zaha - $0 dead
Jerde - $0 dead
Arup - $0 dead"
Brutal....
Chad Miller
May 12, 21 3:33 pm
You can't take it with you . . .
Now their legacy and contributions to architecture are quite valuable.
JLC-1
May 12, 21 1:52 pm
those are the ones we know of, I wonder about saudis and russians, and some chinese as well.
monosierra
May 12, 21 4:59 pm
I remember this Texan architect whose firm owns some kind of copyright over a generic-looking rest stop or some form of middle-of-the-road commercial architectural type being bandied as the wealthiest architect around. Basically his firm pumps out those buildings like products. It'd have to take industrial-scale production for an architect to achieve true wealth.
Miles Jaffe
May 13, 21 1:00 pm
eat your heart out bitches
Non Sequitur
May 13, 21 1:24 pm
Could not afford a custom paint job on that GT? Peasant.
JLC-1
May 13, 21 3:16 pm
and the hampton's mansion? off limits?
Miles Jaffe
May 13, 21 4:21 pm
You think I have just one?
Non Sequitur
May 13, 21 4:31 pm
I require a light switch for scale tho.
Chad Miller
May 13, 21 4:45 pm
Are you thinking that Miles is only 3 3/4" tall?
JLC-1
May 13, 21 11:21 pm
I saw that car in an auction website, going for 86k now, 4 days left.
Gregory Walker
May 16, 21 9:22 pm
interesting - a lot depends on how you frame the question: for example, one of the only legit billionaires i'm friends with in this world is an architect, both by education and licensure. however, he's a billionaire not by practicing but by leaving the profession to take over his family's business (which happens to be one of the three largest shipping companies in the nordic bloc). he did build his family's winery however.
if we're talking 'practicing' architect, then does that exclude developers? architects who do development on the side (a substantial source of gehry's early wealth)? does andrew luck merit a place on this list (an architectural graduate)? Miguel McKelvey count (a co-founder of we-work)?
if it's confined to architects making a substantial portion of their net worth via their practices (and not getting lucky by picking up bitcoin 10 years ago), then sir norman has to be high on that list.
midlander
May 17, 21 3:08 am
so is your billionaire friend the guy responsible for this fad of shipping container houses everywhere? :)
midlander
May 17, 21 3:11 am
a good comparison though would be how many lawyers, doctors, accountants, software engineers, or civil engineers are wealthy through the practice of their professions? i'd suspect very few. big wealth is usually a matter of owning big businesses.
tduds
May 17, 21 12:07 pm
The best way to become a billionaire is to be born with it.
So who are the richest starchitects/ceo of megafirm out there & past?
Foster?
Gehry?
Zaha?
Portman?
Piano?
Conran?
Jerde?
Gruen?
Arup?
Does Brad Pitt count?
What about the folks that get published in architectural digest?
There are also firms like Tod Williams' superb atelier (TWBTA), where the principals are independently wealthy, for non-architectural reasons.. allowing them to take on only choice commissions.
I really doubt we belong on your list, Barry.. I never thought of our principals as being wealthy.
who cares?
Fernando Romero of LAR is filthy, but not from architecture.
Jonathan Segal in San Diego - He is a developer and architect
http://www.architectasdeveloper.com/about.html
John Portman
Brad Pitt has no license, therefore I would consider him a lucky man who is rich enough to pay people to let him help design.
I would say the richest non-architect..architect has to be Prince Charles. He is way ahead of Brad in the wealth market, he even had a nice looking lady once upon a time.
Prince Charles' oeuvre of (reactionary) urban planning: Poundbury:
PETER COOK:
http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/peter-cook-hamptons-christie-brinkley
I forgot about chuck! hmmm, Wonder if Andres Duany has milked the CNU for all its worth.
this topic came up while discussing pro practice with a colleague and I figured it would be a good thread - not that I care or expect to get into the league of gehry or foster...
Snook, Prince Charles' net worth is only somewhere around 40-60 million USD. Even if the number I remember is in pounds and is the higher number, Prince Charles' net worth is around 96 million USD.
Brad Pitt's net worth is between 150-180 million USD.
Yearly income... Brad Pitt makes between 25-35 million USD versus Prince Charles recent record breaking deal of 29 million USD.
Other than widespread use of EIFS and gaudy post-modern ideology, I see nothing wrong is Poundbury. I wouldn't really be calling it reactionary either considering modernism was a reactionary ideology to European traditionalism and this is a traditional European town.
Those parkways are kind of ghastly though.
Maybe so, but what happens when dear ol' Mummy dies? Isn't she the richest woman in the world? Certainly that'll put a few pounds in Chuck's pocket.
I think it is cute when people design medieval village that make their aristocratic titles seem less anachronistic.
But seriously - I don't think that Prince Charles can be the world's richest architect because he is already the world's richest watercolourist:
Is Art Gensler still alive? That dude must have made dozens!
the Royals are not measured by $$; the queen's face is on over 50 currencies, and is the head of state for about 150... it's about power... real power... money can't buy that.
Foster in 2007 was the uk's highest paid architect earning 2m a year. This does not include his other earnings however
monte.....but brad doesn't have the jewels and art treasurers that the royal family holds. That is the difference. I think Charles is worth alot more than we will ever know even if he is a lousy Prince Architect.
The art and jewels no longer belong to the royals.
doesn't this discussion depend on whether or not we're talking about architects who have made their money as the professionals or which architects happen to be wealthy (whether from family or whatever).
for example, graham gund (principal of gund partnership) came from family money. now, my guess is his firm has done quite well over the years and he's been involved in real estate, art, etc. so, he's made quite a bit of money through those ventures. i don't have the first clue to his net worth, nor do i think it matters, but he's certainly got to be up there on the list.
I used to work as a carpenter in Graham Gund's neighborhood and once fixed his sliding glass door. Bastard never paid.
Oops, old post. My comment stands...
I am interested in the flip-side: the most well-known name attached to the smallest amount; though bad business or scale, whichever
Lots of folks have gone bankrupt including Aurthur Erickson along the way. Lots of firms have recently shut down including some large well known practices.
monte.....you got me there...think his jewels belong to Mrs Camile.
Rafael Vinole used to advertise a "pilot" on his web site.
barry-I am imagine that to be true, I guess I am more curious about who makes the most noise and does the least business
Vinoly does indeed have a pilot and his own plane. There is a space for the pilot to log flight time and jet fuel on the general employee time sheet at RVA.
A small associate firm I worked with had their own plane and one of the Architects was the co-pilot. They had found it as a reasonable cost measure for the travel they had to do back and forth on particular work.
Moral of the story, not always an indicator of intense wealth
Vinoly probably has a nicer plane though...
A plane, while not exactly cheap and certainly wasteful, is a lot less expensive than most people would expect.
the PE on one of my projects flies to CO meetings, a small piper for a 90 mile round trip.
I have a client who just purchased a helicopter to fly between their houses/businesses.
What about Gensler?
He’s dead
Tis a flesh w ound
Charles Luckman had an interesting career: From successful CEO of a major American company that has nothing to do with architecture, then retiring to become a successful commercial architect.
As if money was the measure of anything meaningful ... <sigh>
Having money's not everything, not having it is.
Our incomes are like our shoes; if too small, they gall and pinch us; but if too large, they cause us to stumble and to trip.
Miles - spoken like somebody who's always had it. No, you can't buy happiness, but you can rent it. Speaking from experience, it sure takes the edge off.
Funny. While in grammar school (PS 6 in Manhattan) I lived in a closet in my father's 2-room ground floor office. I remember coming "home" to find an eviction notice under the door, and taking the subway with my father down to the AT&T building to pay the bill before the phone got turned off.
A big night out was Tad's Steak house.
So keep talking as if you know something about me and I'll keep pretending you're not a condescending asshole.
If you had it easy all your life, you cannot empathize with those who worked hard and earned it (Money, architect's title etc)
Apparently that hit a little too close to home, eh Miles?
Apk, the only thing you work hard at is chirping at Miles... and even there you've offered nothing of substance.
Those who anonymously snipe from the shadows don't have the balls or intgrity to face a man directly. It's a sad commentary on a number of things but mostly upon themselves.
The Miles criticism here is unwarranted, y'all. I expect it from apkouv since its their entire personality, but b_b, wtf?
bowling_ball - how else would you expect someone to respond when they grew up poor and you said that they lead a privileged life? All you're doing is making assumptions about someone's past because it fits your opinions. Basically you're being a douche.
apkouv / Jay1122 - don't be a such a coward. If you're going to attempt to talk shit about someone be an adult. Don't try to hide behind two anonymous profiles.
go fk urself Chad. Why did you bring me into the fight. I love seeing you guys battle it out. That miles is a shortsighted narrow minded dick. Of course he is gonna offend people. But I don't waste time with narrow minded dick like miles. Fking leave me out of it. Stop protecting your old forum buddy too much. I don't see anything wrong with BB's comment.
Chad, its just so funny and ironic how you laugh at BB assuming someone's past based on opinion and calling him douche. And immediately assume that apkouv is my 2nd profile based on your opinion. Man you are douche to a level. How much is the rich miles paying you to support him. It is paid per post or duration?
Suspiciously quick response.
Nah, you know I am always around in the forum browsing. But I only reply to posts of interest. Only brought in because of Chad. Anyway leave me out of it. Go resume your dick battle. I honestly give 0 fucks.
I see it's a slow day in Jay's dead-end generic box production office. This will be fun.
Well it is lunch time. So I do have some time to spare. Although not as much time as you guys wasted here. You titans made up half of the posts in this forum. I don't even know how you guys have all those times to post in this forum if you are so successful with your "creative" projects.
ADHD.
Jay - I don't know Miles and he's no my 'buddy'. You really seem to dislike the man though. I suspect it's because he doesn't agree with you about architectural theory. I do think that you and apkouv are the same person because of you both dump on Miles for not being an architect. You both have said that his opinions don't matter because he's not licensed. I find that odd as you're not licensed yet you expect us to respect your opinions.
You want to cast shade on other work? Post up some of your design work then and show us how it's supposed to be done.
Go on. Post up.
Wow wow wow, when did I said he is not licensed and opinion does not even matter. And when did I laughed at his work? His middle finger craft to me is pretty good. Dude, stop making stuff up to make me look bad. I don't even know how old that miles is or what job he does. But I do think he is a jerk. Even when I was reading an archinect article back in 2016, his comment is a typical arrogant douche one. But I honestly don't care. He can be whatever jerk he wants to be as long as he does not reply his douche comment to my post. Just leave me out of it. And you know I work in a generic box making office that NS is using to diss me. I wouldn't be here if im doing "creative" architecture projects.
Yes you have said that. Not that you'd remember. You said yourself that you don't recall what you post from hour to hour.
Post any of your design work. Academic, theoretical, it's all relevant. Hell, post up your design sketches, renderings, or details.
Go on. Post up.
I don't know dude. are you sure you didn't get mixed up? Because I seriously don't know Mile's background. Neither do I care. Anyway, Just leave me out of your dick battles. I am not going to try to help educate you guys. Made that mistake last time. Hey if you think you won. let it be. I know you are the arrogant type, Chad. And you always love to be the one finishing the post to feel like you won. Like last time you proved to me. so go ahead.
I'm not mistaken.
Now post up any of your work. You say you're such a good designer. Come on Jay, show us how it's supposed to be done.
Ah Chad. you've fallen again. And you are spreading wrong information again. And I would never say I am a good designer. That I can guarantee you. It is against my philosophy on architecture. There are no good or bad, only different choices and preferences with different focuses based on difference circumstances. The evaluation of such work should not be a simple good/bad. And even the word "design" is something I do not like to use much. That word is too generic, some people think picking room paint colors and finishes is design. Anyway, It is you that think I said I am a good designer with your personal opinion that I am someone arrogant who would say that. But whatever dude. I am out. Posting work does not do anything. In front of hostility. Even Prizker winning work will be viewed as trash. Also, it takes skill to see architecture beyond pretty pictures. You can only see as much as your paradigm allows.
Jay - you have commented here many time about what your view of real design is. You've then gone on to say that you could teach us all about real design.
I think that is you saying you're a good designer. Also it contradicts your entire line of thinking about using the word designer.
wow dude when did I said doing CA work as not being real architects. I am doing a bunch of CA right now. And building code? That thing is like coordination of MEP systems. Part of the job. Many ways to get it done. But it is not the main drive force of Architecture. Jesus, you are such jerk keep spreading wrong information. Ah whatever, must be your new tactic. I am not gonna get pulled in.
Ah, I see that you edited the comments off because clearly it is too loose to have a basis. Meh whatever.
You told NS that he wasn't a real designer and didn't have any talent because all he did was CA. Just because you can't remember what you've written here doesn't mean that others aren't able to.
Honestly I think it's just that your so arrogant that you think your current views / options are the only correct interpretation. Unfortunately you're so inexperienced that often you're talking out of your ass.
Ah whatever, break is over. Go ahead and finish the post, and you've "won" again. What a fking douche just have to drag me into the mud.
Look back at your post history.
I bet it is your typical copy a middle of the sentence, distort the view and "imply" the meaning, putting word on other's mouth strategy. Have seen you done that many times. And seriously, stop trying to drag NS into the mud. Man, I just have to put you troll on ignore. Wish there is a blacklist feature on this forum. Don't want the troll to see my post or reply to mine. Successfully got baited today. And go ahead, finish the post again. I know arrogant guy like you have to finish.
Gents (assuming), don’t bother me while a drink my delicious beer (while getting paid) in the sunshine.
NS - Only if you promise not to bother me while I try to get this office addition to not look like burning garbage.
Jay - from your response I take it you found the post I'm referring to and are now trying to cover yourself. Good luck with that. Oh and I'm not trolling you. I'm just calling out your behavior.
Don't worry, I did not check my post history. Neither do I give a fk about what I said. This is random internet posts, not some architecture manifestos. Why don't you waste time and browse through the chat history to shove it to me. See if I give a fk. Ah. engaged troll again. But at this point, I am just curious on how strong is your arrogant last post wins argument desire. Go prove me wrong.
Not trolling you. Just letting you contradict yourself . . . Have fun.
*whistles and walks away slowly*
Oh no you don't, get back here BB. :P
I'm here! Just finishing up a terrible but fun round of golf. Because that's what I'm expected to do now.
Golfing with bowling balls, now that’s a sport I’d be into!
Dang, what type of driver to do you use to hit a six pound bowling ball!?
A Minnie Driver
I'm rich in experience. :P
That and $2 will get you a cup of coffee.
$2 for a cup of coffee? In 2021? Where are you, Delhi?
He never said *good* coffee.
That's very true.
he never specified the cup size
I'm a solid B cup.
I get fresh roast (daily) fresh ground for $2 (12 oz, plus $1 refills). Plus I can walk there in minutes. Haven't been to FourBucks in years and years, It's probably FiveBucks now for the same 'tall' 10oz. stale burnt sludge.
a large (sorry, "Venti") drip coffee at Starbucks is $1.95.
I don't drink coffee.
Net worth as of 2018 . . . .
Foster - $200 million
Gehry - $100 million
Zaha - $0 dead
Portman - $20 million
Piano - $20 million
Conran - $85 million
Jerde - $0 dead
Gruen - $37 million
Arup - $0 dead
moshe safdie - 150 m
It's also their net worth - NOT assets. In addition who knows what's happened since 2018.
"Zaha - $0 dead
Jerde - $0 dead
Arup - $0 dead"
Brutal....
You can't take it with you . . .
Now their legacy and contributions to architecture are quite valuable.
those are the ones we know of, I wonder about saudis and russians, and some chinese as well.
I remember this Texan architect whose firm owns some kind of copyright over a generic-looking rest stop or some form of middle-of-the-road commercial architectural type being bandied as the wealthiest architect around. Basically his firm pumps out those buildings like products. It'd have to take industrial-scale production for an architect to achieve true wealth.
eat your heart out bitches
Could not afford a custom paint job on that GT? Peasant.
and the hampton's mansion? off limits?
You think I have just one?
I require a light switch for scale tho.
Are you thinking that Miles is only 3 3/4" tall?
I saw that car in an auction website, going for 86k now, 4 days left.
interesting - a lot depends on how you frame the question: for example, one of the only legit billionaires i'm friends with in this world is an architect, both by education and licensure. however, he's a billionaire not by practicing but by leaving the profession to take over his family's business (which happens to be one of the three largest shipping companies in the nordic bloc). he did build his family's winery however.
if we're talking 'practicing' architect, then does that exclude developers? architects who do development on the side (a substantial source of gehry's early wealth)? does andrew luck merit a place on this list (an architectural graduate)? Miguel McKelvey count (a co-founder of we-work)?
if it's confined to architects making a substantial portion of their net worth via their practices (and not getting lucky by picking up bitcoin 10 years ago), then sir norman has to be high on that list.
so is your billionaire friend the guy responsible for this fad of shipping container houses everywhere? :)
a good comparison though would be how many lawyers, doctors, accountants, software engineers, or civil engineers are wealthy through the practice of their professions? i'd suspect very few. big wealth is usually a matter of owning big businesses.
The best way to become a billionaire is to be born with it.
Miguel is lucky to not be in jail
behind every great fortune is a great crime
@mid - absolutely....
https://www.nytimes.com/1986/03/16/magazine/architecture-that-pays-off-handsomely.html
basically me. I just bought a boat! Brand spanking new! It’s still In the box...just have to blow it up...
I'm rich in wit and history. Does that count?
I'll just see myself out....
Once I see your wit I'll let you know how much it's worth. :: bah - da - du - ching::
Ouch!
Oh come now. You walked right into that one. :P