i would have to kick my own ass if the color of my car was "fusion orange". actually, anything descibed as "fusion" - weird. i agree that the H2 is a piece of shit, but i have some problems with the idea that if we all drive electric cars we can save the world.
so i guess i will continue driving my diesel and hope some farmer can keep the biodiesel flowing, because i know there isn't enough coal to keep that electric car moving.
huh
Oct 4, 06 2:01 am
you should totally do it! after all, you're not the asshole driving it.
and if you're really ashamed, take a ride on halloween and wear a mask.
mdler
Oct 4, 06 2:09 am
if you want an orange car...
Steven Ward
Oct 4, 06 7:44 am
looking around the ncpa website, jjh, looks like that's a dangerous place to get your information. look harder. i can practically read the agenda between the lines.
and, driving by the hummer dealer every day on my way to work, seeing all the hummers that congregate in that part of town and the people who drive them, i'm surprised that these targeted consumers haven't caught on yet that they're dupes. cliched, i know, but i can't get the word 'compensation' out of my head.
liberty bell
Oct 4, 06 9:10 am
tyrrhena, I think you need to analyse exactly what it is that is "tempting" you about this vehicle before you make your decision.
Do you just want to see what the inside is like? Do you want to experience being up so much higher than all the other cars on the road? Do you wonder if you'll feel safer/more powerful being so much highr than everyone else on the road? Do you think it will make you feel like you have a penis (I think you're female, right?)? Are you curious to find out if while riding in it all the other drivers will look at you with contempt or with envy?
Nothing about h2's tempts me, at least, not to ride in them: I'm tempted do a Zorro-like scratch across them with my Miata key every time I see one, but that's different, and I don't advise you doing that to your friend's car if you want to stay friends with him/he.
Also, why DID this friend buy one?
vado retro
Oct 4, 06 9:14 am
i thought this thread was about something else...that said i had a 76 trans am in the classic pontiac color "competition orange" it looked just like this until it was wrapped around a tree...
vado retro
Oct 4, 06 9:20 am
the trans am of course got about the same mpg as an h2 but with unleaded gas. but it was hummer conducive...
stephanie
Oct 4, 06 10:00 am
my boss has joked about getting a hummer as a company car and calling it the "Hummel Hummer"
i do not think i would be tempted to drive it.
or ride in it.
It is wise to never say never, but I dont I am pretty sure I would never drive or be seen in one. The sight of one actually makes me a little sick to the stomach, it just says so much about our society, anthropologists will have a field day with that one in about 200 years.
Weirdest sighting of a hummer: Lodz, Poland.
AP
Oct 4, 06 11:30 am
i hadn't checked this thread until i saw +q. posted a comment...I, like vado, thought it was about something else.
a co-worker's b/f drives an Expedition, and I feel like covering my face (like a criminal avoiding video cameras when being arrested) when I get in...
oe
Oct 4, 06 11:38 am
Just wait till november 8th when gas goes back up to $4.50 a gallon...
kyll
Oct 4, 06 12:11 pm
oooh - i was WRINGIN' my hands when i saw this thread!
i love shittin on hummers. not literally, people. however, not a terrible idea.
WonderK - you rock. that website was awesome. i forwarded it to my green LEED lovin friends. and to the a-hole gasguzzlin hummer owners i know. (one, i think)
listen tyrrhena - go buy the hummer. seriously. just understand that 8 out of 12 people will make snide remarks, laugh at, throw rotted squash at (ok - maybe not that far) you and your "mysterio orange" (or whatever) hummer. its literally a joke on wheels - the crash ratings should be reversed on that car - to see not how safe the occupants of the actual vehicle are, but how safe the people who get hit by this concrete truck actually are.
ridiculous.
theres a reason why it was introduced as a military vehicle. for the friggin military. besides - its just a tacky lookin vehicle imho.
Steven Ward
Oct 4, 06 12:15 pm
not to change the subject, but ap reminded me that we (in my office) used to talk about the next ford suv:
i WOULDN'T MIND WHIPIN' AN H2...AS LONG AS IT RAN ON H2.
NOW THAT WOULD BE A RIDE!!!
Rim Joist
Oct 4, 06 1:18 pm
"The NCPA's goal is to develop and promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector."
Now, don't slaughter me for this, but, this being the stated agenda of the NCPA -- what is dangerous about this?
In general, I'm a little surprised that the hatred of Hummer's / SUV's and their owners is such that it drives some of you nice people into obscene gestures and near vandalism. Hot stone massages all around -- it's just a car! Hey, I'll agree that from a design point of view, H2's are just a total phony mess. But we all drive some kind of car -- it's a pretty thin line you're drawing where on one side Hummer drivers who get 10mpg are the devil, while on the other side you folks getting 20 or 30 are doing God's work? What's the mpg cut-off for the still truly righteous?
mdler
Oct 4, 06 1:55 pm
as long as you put a magnetic 'support our troops' ribbon on the back of the hummer, you're fine
kyll
Oct 4, 06 5:06 pm
hehe...
good one mdler.
well rim, heres the thing:
the thing: most people who buy hummers are not doing so because of any of the following:
a- they are in the military and need to cross canyons and dodge mortar shells.
b- they are basejumpers and need to haul their asses to a mountaintop with agility and a safe strong flexible automobile
c- they are in an iraqi desert and need the wheels capable of riding on sandy surfaces
hence, they are useless and are symbols of pompousness and fragile self esteems based on plastic image. especially when theyre in like - midtown manhattan, LA, or some silly suburb.
The Hummer is the automotive equivalent of the McMansion, pushed to the extremes of wastesulness, pointelessness, excess and tastelessness. You're an architect. Wake up.
cf
Oct 4, 06 5:31 pm
The H1 was designed for a purpose as was the Prius. Both serve their purpose well. The H2 really is not that big if you compare it to the Suburban or the Tahoe as they share the same frames. The H3 is a very good vehicle if you need to drive in town and also take a 4 wheel drive trail to your favorite mountain lake.
The Prius or the Lotus can not pull a 5 ton trailer or traverse the Rubicon Trail.
Point, each has a function. Would I drive an H3 in "The City"- NO.
Steven Ward
Oct 4, 06 5:36 pm
which is why i'm bumfuzzled when i see how many are buzzin' around carryin' guys in ties through the office and light industrial area where i work.
e
Oct 4, 06 5:54 pm
my guess is that most people who own hummers ain't 4-wheelin round the countryside though. just a guess mind you.
Rim Joist
Oct 4, 06 5:58 pm
So, Kyll, the THING is that Hummer owners haven't passed your little checklist of legitimate usage qualifications? Man, why on earth would you care what someone else is driving, especially to the point of creating a stereotype?
tyrrhena
Oct 4, 06 6:48 pm
liberty bell, i really like your analytical approach.
so here the story goes: my friend's dad, who lives in denver, helped my friend, a trader (of course) in chicago, get a really good deal on this monstrous thing. now my friend is going to get the hummer back to chicago and then re-sell it hopefully for profit.
i confess the temptation to me is twofold - yes i'm a little curious what the interior of a hummer looks like - after all i was inside a real tank once (during military training, long story). but more importantly, being slight evil, i guess i just want to try once what it feels like to be a jackass ("tasteless", "stupid"... are such understatments for hummer owners).
other than those mentioned above, none of the hypothetical reasons you listed applies to my situation.
yes, you may argue that there's so many solutions to satisfying my urge of playing pranks on people. but here, opportunity presents itself ;) (tyrrhena devilishly smirking...)
vado retro
Oct 4, 06 7:00 pm
i saw two on the way back from the grocery store!
tyrrhena
Oct 4, 06 7:21 pm
i partially agree with Rim Joist that our contempt/resentment towards hummer owners can sometimes be sterotyping.
on the other hand, i believe as earth dwells we do have a right to form opinions, even to transform those opinions into legislation, on how others consume non-replenishable natural resources and how that consumption affects the environment.
liberty bell
Oct 4, 06 7:49 pm
Very well-stated, tyrrhena.
Rim Joist, I'm not trying to start a fight, just continue a discussion: do you disagree with what tyrrhena says?
vado retro
Oct 4, 06 7:56 pm
im kinda startin to like em...
sameolddoctor
Oct 4, 06 9:26 pm
the only orange car i wont mind being seen in....
mdler
Oct 4, 06 9:41 pm
Sameolddoc
the Lambo is the #1 gas guzzeling car on the road
upside
Oct 4, 06 10:18 pm
and not much lighter than the hummer
sameolddoctor
Oct 4, 06 10:34 pm
yea i know and im sorry
but what i would really do if i had to own one of these (with an architect's pay, yeah right) is to have a hybrid for most of the driving and occasional long commute...cars like these for the weekend....(the doctor is dreaming...)
mdler
Oct 4, 06 11:08 pm
I'd take a Gallardo over a Muercelogio, however...
I know those aren't spelled right
mdler
Oct 4, 06 11:09 pm
I know a few architects who drive Carrera GT's, so anything is possible
rim- hmm. well, we are all driving "deadly weapons" just some more deadly than others. point 1
gas. gas=oil=blood. point 2
fake=fake=people in the way of reality. point 3
so, buy a vehicle that could absolutely liquify another car+occupants, shed blood for oil, and look good (really fake) doing it.
youre right. i really dont give a camelshit. none of us do. lets all buy h2z.
not out on the corner condemning hummer-ers, but being that this is a thread on the subject, i felt it a good time to let that aggression out.
mistake numero uno. sensitive people aboard. digress...
sameolddoctor
Oct 5, 06 12:36 am
the audi r8 looks (at least to me) a bit too aggressive in styling..but maybe its just in the pictures - in real life might look a bit more elegant.
The Alfa Romeo competiozone is just beautiful....
kyll
Oct 5, 06 10:03 am
i agree. audi r8 has somewhat a brusque overachieving design thing goin on. beautiful, but kinda like gwyneth with way too much makeup on.
and 2 for 2 - that alfa romeo is just...*sniff*...amazing...
Rim Joist
Oct 5, 06 10:20 am
I'm sensitive, Kyll? Sweet, could you help me convince others of that? Let LB know that, would you?
So which cars are the right cars, Kyll? Which ones (your point numbers, now) 1. are within your acceptable deadliness tolerances, that is, which ones kill an acceptable number of people; 2. which ones burn an acceptable amount of "gas=oil=blood"? 3. where is the line beyond which a car is just so "fake" that is stands "in the way of reality"?
LB -- sure I'll play, since you've asked. (And I know you're not a "fight-starter".) As far as agreeing/disagreeing with tyrrhena: Sure, on the surface, I think what tyrrhena is saying will on first blush sound pretty reasonable to most -- however, I can't agree because it's far too vague. For me it's so non-specific that it is more dangerous than helpful, no matter how well-meaning it might initially sound. The awfully rough idea of the stated opinion-to-legislation process leaves a big enough leeway to, well, drive a Hummer through. I'd bet that when really pressed into conforming to the reality of what tyrrhena is suggesting, you get a little less agreeable.
For example -- the Hummer is criticized for its non-green wastefulness to the point where you want some legislation about it. Well, where would that type of legislation stop? You said you drive a Miata? (which I think is a great car) Say, the Hummer gets 10mpg and you get 30 -- you're the green socially-conscious one, right? Well how many passengers can you take along? Just one? -- how green is that? Maybe my new opinion is that I don't think that's green enough... I mean, about five passengers fit in the Hummer, you know. So is the Hummer better, since it fits two or three times as many passengers as you Miata? How about next we outlaw 2-seaters due to their collective effect on the environment?
So I'm first curious, as my other posts have indicated -- where would you would draw the specific line of acceptable environmental moral consciousness on this issue? Which cars are the right cars?
But now please don't yell at me -- I'm quite sensitive, you know...
Steven Ward
Oct 5, 06 10:34 am
i settled for the most boring non-designy car in the world so that i could have a hybrid. i'm glad i did, but i still get car-envy.
cf
Oct 5, 06 10:46 am
Until there is legislation to determine which people can and can not buy/use a Hummer 1, 2, 3, all opinions are irrelevant with respect to others purchase/use of these vehicles.
Otherwise, the guilt you are trying to place on other people is your problem.
Steven Ward
Oct 5, 06 11:21 am
social pressure and the power of groups' opinions/beliefs are not irrelevant, cf. sometimes they have more power than they should, but sometimes they lead to big and good things, like civil rights and speed limits.
treekiller
Oct 5, 06 11:23 am
just kill the tax break to business owners that allow them to write off 'light trucks'. 'nuf said. oh and take away their company credit card that pays for the gas.
cf
Oct 5, 06 12:35 pm
If I want to buy a pink and purple poke-a-dot graphite pencil and there is no law against this purchase, it doesn't matter if 99.9% of the nation is against me purchasing this pencil. If you hinder my purchase of this pencil, I will see you in court and the evidence will be culled so the jury will have to make an unbiased decision and it will be in my favor. So beliefs are irrelevant until legislation.
Will you be too embarrased to be seen in it?
A friend of mine just bought this "fusion orange" colored Hummer H2. I know it's stupid, but I'm tempted... I mean, the color is great.
Great website!
i would have to kick my own ass if the color of my car was "fusion orange". actually, anything descibed as "fusion" - weird. i agree that the H2 is a piece of shit, but i have some problems with the idea that if we all drive electric cars we can save the world.
link
so i guess i will continue driving my diesel and hope some farmer can keep the biodiesel flowing, because i know there isn't enough coal to keep that electric car moving.
you should totally do it! after all, you're not the asshole driving it.
and if you're really ashamed, take a ride on halloween and wear a mask.
if you want an orange car...
looking around the ncpa website, jjh, looks like that's a dangerous place to get your information. look harder. i can practically read the agenda between the lines.
and, driving by the hummer dealer every day on my way to work, seeing all the hummers that congregate in that part of town and the people who drive them, i'm surprised that these targeted consumers haven't caught on yet that they're dupes. cliched, i know, but i can't get the word 'compensation' out of my head.
tyrrhena, I think you need to analyse exactly what it is that is "tempting" you about this vehicle before you make your decision.
Do you just want to see what the inside is like? Do you want to experience being up so much higher than all the other cars on the road? Do you wonder if you'll feel safer/more powerful being so much highr than everyone else on the road? Do you think it will make you feel like you have a penis (I think you're female, right?)? Are you curious to find out if while riding in it all the other drivers will look at you with contempt or with envy?
Nothing about h2's tempts me, at least, not to ride in them: I'm tempted do a Zorro-like scratch across them with my Miata key every time I see one, but that's different, and I don't advise you doing that to your friend's car if you want to stay friends with him/he.
Also, why DID this friend buy one?
i thought this thread was about something else...that said i had a 76 trans am in the classic pontiac color "competition orange" it looked just like this until it was wrapped around a tree...
the trans am of course got about the same mpg as an h2 but with unleaded gas. but it was hummer conducive...
my boss has joked about getting a hummer as a company car and calling it the "Hummel Hummer"
i do not think i would be tempted to drive it.
or ride in it.
goddamd tripod.
a less good pic....
From the automotive sages:
http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/suv/
It is wise to never say never, but I dont I am pretty sure I would never drive or be seen in one. The sight of one actually makes me a little sick to the stomach, it just says so much about our society, anthropologists will have a field day with that one in about 200 years.
Weirdest sighting of a hummer: Lodz, Poland.
i hadn't checked this thread until i saw +q. posted a comment...I, like vado, thought it was about something else.
a co-worker's b/f drives an Expedition, and I feel like covering my face (like a criminal avoiding video cameras when being arrested) when I get in...
Just wait till november 8th when gas goes back up to $4.50 a gallon...
oooh - i was WRINGIN' my hands when i saw this thread!
i love shittin on hummers. not literally, people. however, not a terrible idea.
WonderK - you rock. that website was awesome. i forwarded it to my green LEED lovin friends. and to the a-hole gasguzzlin hummer owners i know. (one, i think)
listen tyrrhena - go buy the hummer. seriously. just understand that 8 out of 12 people will make snide remarks, laugh at, throw rotted squash at (ok - maybe not that far) you and your "mysterio orange" (or whatever) hummer. its literally a joke on wheels - the crash ratings should be reversed on that car - to see not how safe the occupants of the actual vehicle are, but how safe the people who get hit by this concrete truck actually are.
ridiculous.
theres a reason why it was introduced as a military vehicle. for the friggin military. besides - its just a tacky lookin vehicle imho.
not to change the subject, but ap reminded me that we (in my office) used to talk about the next ford suv:
escape>explorer>expedition>excursion>? exponential ?
i WOULDN'T MIND WHIPIN' AN H2...AS LONG AS IT RAN ON H2.
NOW THAT WOULD BE A RIDE!!!
"The NCPA's goal is to develop and promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector."
Now, don't slaughter me for this, but, this being the stated agenda of the NCPA -- what is dangerous about this?
In general, I'm a little surprised that the hatred of Hummer's / SUV's and their owners is such that it drives some of you nice people into obscene gestures and near vandalism. Hot stone massages all around -- it's just a car! Hey, I'll agree that from a design point of view, H2's are just a total phony mess. But we all drive some kind of car -- it's a pretty thin line you're drawing where on one side Hummer drivers who get 10mpg are the devil, while on the other side you folks getting 20 or 30 are doing God's work? What's the mpg cut-off for the still truly righteous?
as long as you put a magnetic 'support our troops' ribbon on the back of the hummer, you're fine
hehe...
good one mdler.
well rim, heres the thing:
the thing: most people who buy hummers are not doing so because of any of the following:
a- they are in the military and need to cross canyons and dodge mortar shells.
b- they are basejumpers and need to haul their asses to a mountaintop with agility and a safe strong flexible automobile
c- they are in an iraqi desert and need the wheels capable of riding on sandy surfaces
hence, they are useless and are symbols of pompousness and fragile self esteems based on plastic image. especially when theyre in like - midtown manhattan, LA, or some silly suburb.
kinda like parliament wigs. yeah...
The Hummer is the automotive equivalent of the McMansion, pushed to the extremes of wastesulness, pointelessness, excess and tastelessness. You're an architect. Wake up.
The H1 was designed for a purpose as was the Prius. Both serve their purpose well. The H2 really is not that big if you compare it to the Suburban or the Tahoe as they share the same frames. The H3 is a very good vehicle if you need to drive in town and also take a 4 wheel drive trail to your favorite mountain lake.
The Prius or the Lotus can not pull a 5 ton trailer or traverse the Rubicon Trail.
Point, each has a function. Would I drive an H3 in "The City"- NO.
which is why i'm bumfuzzled when i see how many are buzzin' around carryin' guys in ties through the office and light industrial area where i work.
my guess is that most people who own hummers ain't 4-wheelin round the countryside though. just a guess mind you.
So, Kyll, the THING is that Hummer owners haven't passed your little checklist of legitimate usage qualifications? Man, why on earth would you care what someone else is driving, especially to the point of creating a stereotype?
liberty bell, i really like your analytical approach.
so here the story goes: my friend's dad, who lives in denver, helped my friend, a trader (of course) in chicago, get a really good deal on this monstrous thing. now my friend is going to get the hummer back to chicago and then re-sell it hopefully for profit.
i confess the temptation to me is twofold - yes i'm a little curious what the interior of a hummer looks like - after all i was inside a real tank once (during military training, long story). but more importantly, being slight evil, i guess i just want to try once what it feels like to be a jackass ("tasteless", "stupid"... are such understatments for hummer owners).
other than those mentioned above, none of the hypothetical reasons you listed applies to my situation.
yes, you may argue that there's so many solutions to satisfying my urge of playing pranks on people. but here, opportunity presents itself ;) (tyrrhena devilishly smirking...)
i saw two on the way back from the grocery store!
i partially agree with Rim Joist that our contempt/resentment towards hummer owners can sometimes be sterotyping.
on the other hand, i believe as earth dwells we do have a right to form opinions, even to transform those opinions into legislation, on how others consume non-replenishable natural resources and how that consumption affects the environment.
Very well-stated, tyrrhena.
Rim Joist, I'm not trying to start a fight, just continue a discussion: do you disagree with what tyrrhena says?
im kinda startin to like em...
the only orange car i wont mind being seen in....
Sameolddoc
the Lambo is the #1 gas guzzeling car on the road
and not much lighter than the hummer
yea i know and im sorry
but what i would really do if i had to own one of these (with an architect's pay, yeah right) is to have a hybrid for most of the driving and occasional long commute...cars like these for the weekend....(the doctor is dreaming...)
I'd take a Gallardo over a Muercelogio, however...
I know those aren't spelled right
I know a few architects who drive Carrera GT's, so anything is possible
I'd have this or this
1st This being the R8 - amazing website
the saturn sky is cute
diab - a thing of beauty that machine....
rim- hmm. well, we are all driving "deadly weapons" just some more deadly than others. point 1
gas. gas=oil=blood. point 2
fake=fake=people in the way of reality. point 3
so, buy a vehicle that could absolutely liquify another car+occupants, shed blood for oil, and look good (really fake) doing it.
youre right. i really dont give a camelshit. none of us do. lets all buy h2z.
not out on the corner condemning hummer-ers, but being that this is a thread on the subject, i felt it a good time to let that aggression out.
mistake numero uno. sensitive people aboard. digress...
the audi r8 looks (at least to me) a bit too aggressive in styling..but maybe its just in the pictures - in real life might look a bit more elegant.
The Alfa Romeo competiozone is just beautiful....
i agree. audi r8 has somewhat a brusque overachieving design thing goin on. beautiful, but kinda like gwyneth with way too much makeup on.
and 2 for 2 - that alfa romeo is just...*sniff*...amazing...
I'm sensitive, Kyll? Sweet, could you help me convince others of that? Let LB know that, would you?
So which cars are the right cars, Kyll? Which ones (your point numbers, now) 1. are within your acceptable deadliness tolerances, that is, which ones kill an acceptable number of people; 2. which ones burn an acceptable amount of "gas=oil=blood"? 3. where is the line beyond which a car is just so "fake" that is stands "in the way of reality"?
LB -- sure I'll play, since you've asked. (And I know you're not a "fight-starter".) As far as agreeing/disagreeing with tyrrhena: Sure, on the surface, I think what tyrrhena is saying will on first blush sound pretty reasonable to most -- however, I can't agree because it's far too vague. For me it's so non-specific that it is more dangerous than helpful, no matter how well-meaning it might initially sound. The awfully rough idea of the stated opinion-to-legislation process leaves a big enough leeway to, well, drive a Hummer through. I'd bet that when really pressed into conforming to the reality of what tyrrhena is suggesting, you get a little less agreeable.
For example -- the Hummer is criticized for its non-green wastefulness to the point where you want some legislation about it. Well, where would that type of legislation stop? You said you drive a Miata? (which I think is a great car) Say, the Hummer gets 10mpg and you get 30 -- you're the green socially-conscious one, right? Well how many passengers can you take along? Just one? -- how green is that? Maybe my new opinion is that I don't think that's green enough... I mean, about five passengers fit in the Hummer, you know. So is the Hummer better, since it fits two or three times as many passengers as you Miata? How about next we outlaw 2-seaters due to their collective effect on the environment?
So I'm first curious, as my other posts have indicated -- where would you would draw the specific line of acceptable environmental moral consciousness on this issue? Which cars are the right cars?
But now please don't yell at me -- I'm quite sensitive, you know...
i settled for the most boring non-designy car in the world so that i could have a hybrid. i'm glad i did, but i still get car-envy.
Until there is legislation to determine which people can and can not buy/use a Hummer 1, 2, 3, all opinions are irrelevant with respect to others purchase/use of these vehicles.
Otherwise, the guilt you are trying to place on other people is your problem.
social pressure and the power of groups' opinions/beliefs are not irrelevant, cf. sometimes they have more power than they should, but sometimes they lead to big and good things, like civil rights and speed limits.
just kill the tax break to business owners that allow them to write off 'light trucks'. 'nuf said. oh and take away their company credit card that pays for the gas.
If I want to buy a pink and purple poke-a-dot graphite pencil and there is no law against this purchase, it doesn't matter if 99.9% of the nation is against me purchasing this pencil. If you hinder my purchase of this pencil, I will see you in court and the evidence will be culled so the jury will have to make an unbiased decision and it will be in my favor. So beliefs are irrelevant until legislation.