The title might seem a bit controversial, but it is the Truth , We Americans should start appreciating what all we have in this great country, even though we are in rough times now. There is no place better than the USA.
I’ve just returned from Europe after 3 years with my family. I lived in the UK, the Netherlands. and a few months in France.. While these countries may not represent the the entire Europe, they do many things in common with other European countries. While I had a great time there and made many dear friends , I'm so glad to be back in my mcmansion driving an SUV.
Pretty much half of our income went back the government. Which leaves you compared to the USA with less money to spend. Since i moved there with my family i wanted to life in the suburbs like i was accustomed in the USA. While the typical American suburban house is about 4000 square feet, the average in Europe is 1300, yet you pay as much if not more. to make matter worst, you always share your side bearing walls with neighbours as the brownstones houses in the USA. The backyard is extremely small and you don’t really have any privacy. You can hear the neighbours of 5 houses further talking. Usually the living room, dining room and kitchen are on the ground floor and are in an open space. Everything happens in there. You eat, cook, receive guests, work on the computer, watch tv, somethigs give birth to a child all in that 40 square foot room. And if you have pets , they also life in that room. The second floor typically has a maximum of 3 bedrooms. One average size room and two small ones and one bathroom. No walk-in closest, no master bathroom. The whole families just shares one bathroom. Then you got the addict which is for storage and laundry. Depending on the type roof you might be able to squeeze in an extra room.
People usually do groceries every day because the houses are so smal to store food. You can’t stock buy for a whole moths. Plus cars are extremely expensive as most things. Whole families just have one tiny car because cars are taxed monthly by the weight. How heavier the car how more expensive it is. So therefore you are unable to transport a month worth of grocery home. A Lincoln town car is only for the absolute rich in Europe. The 40% of the price is made of taxes. The gas price there is outrages.Almost 70 procent goes back to the government. A gallon would cost you about $ 9.00 there. Visiting a friend outer state is not something you do weekly due to the gas prices
So what do you do in your free time? While eating at a restaurant is pretty standard in the USA, eating in Europe is very expensive. The portion are smaller but you pay 4 times as much. It is not strange that people rarely pay for the whole group. Everyone pays their own food. Going out to the club is reasonable, but don’t expect any valet parking or buffets in the club. Anything extra add to the cost of living so people and companies try to keep the cost down by living very sober. Simple things we take for granted in the USA are seen there are luxury. Weekly Laundry visits, taxi rides, having a maid, a gardener, owning a backyard pool, in Europe is a big no no. To expensive. We gave Ipads as xmas gifts, they give oven mittens. A child b-day consist of maximum 5 children since the houses are too small to invite the whole class. Weddings don’t have any catering, cause it’s too expensive for the average Joe there.
So as you can see, we really have to be grate full sometimes be an American. I do have to give the Europeans credit for the Architecture.
normiex
Mar 8, 19 7:08 am
All things considered, the US is a joke.
Land of the free and home of the brave my a**.
Of course no country is perfect and we are all boased towards our homes.
Personally i like cadilacs and burgers, but only in the movies. Don't care much for not affording healthcare despite working, GMO food with pesticide sauce, mass shootings, 5 litre engines that barely move the 3 ton car, lack of public transit, neonazis, trump voters(ok same thing), the debt culture etc.
It all looks good in the movies, but actually being there? No thanks, i'd rather use my bicycle to go home to my small debt free house and cook my own gmo free food. And i'd rather have my kids not die in a school shooting or from a drug overdose. Cheap jeans and stuff aren't worth the trouble, i can always order them on ebay.
America? No thanks.
randomised
Mar 8, 19 7:34 am
You made an account especially for this?
b3tadine[sutures]
Mar 8, 19 7:52 am
Do ya like corn?
Non Sequitur
Mar 8, 19 8:01 am
It’s ok, you can say ass here. So where does your holiness live then?
x-jla
Mar 9, 19 12:49 am
America can beat your country up. You lose.
x-jla
Mar 9, 19 12:54 am
Florida is really nuts though. We should totally
dump Florida.
randomised
Mar 10, 19 4:39 pm
Europe is not a country, you must be from Florida ;) You'd have to find the country first, in order to "beat it up", back2school!
michaelmantion
Oct 23, 19 4:38 pm
Hopefully if Trump Gets re-elected we can get out of the UN and NATO. Get read to speak Russian. Face it you are America's bitch, we fight your war for over 100 years, we constantly send you aid, you bitch and cry and act like you are better. All while living in the house of freedom we built. You offer the world nothing except a cautionary tale of what not to do.
Non Sequitur
Oct 23, 19 5:10 pm
^Wanker.
Drawn in
Aug 16, 20 9:50 am
No problem Normi, carry on in your utopian society wherever that is. And you're welcome for the US saving your country wherever that may be, and providing a blanket of military security from Russia, and soon China.
orangeyouhappy
Mar 8, 19 4:27 pm
it's all relative.... there are no absolutes, otherwise Utopia would exist (which then would void its existence...mind fuck).
Anyway... degustibus non disputandum est.
terryshaw
May 9, 19 8:36 am
"far more better" ... more better? Nice.
Non Sequitur
May 9, 19 8:43 am
The OP is from USA... so... that checks out.
michaelmantion
Oct 23, 19 4:33 pm
Thanks a lot of valid points in the article. I think the thing that is missing is Europeans have a confidence issue that makes it impossible to accept that Europe sucks. There is a reason why few Americans choose to become european citizens and millions of Europeans are currently trying to become Americans.
The problem with this article is anyone who is open minded has never given any serious thought to living in Europe. Sure we may want to visit or even work there for a couple of years, but we don't want to live there.
So the people who are going to read your article are european snowflakes that can't admit you are right about everything.
Non Sequitur
Oct 23, 19 5:10 pm
Europe > USA by a cubic light-year
poop876
Oct 24, 19 9:37 am
You are an idiot! So Europeans have a confidence issue to admit Europe sucks, yet they choose to move to the US? You probably never left your county let alone the continental US.
Miles Jaffe
Oct 24, 19 10:08 am
first time poster talking about snowflakes ... LOL
OddArchitect
Oct 24, 19 11:27 am
This Michael is just some guy who works in a warehouse and spends his free time on the internet. Ignore him.
Non Sequitur
Oct 24, 19 11:34 am
I bet ya he has a fine collection of red ballcaps.
OddArchitect
Oct 24, 19 11:49 am
I kind of like those red caps. It's like someone wearing a sign that lets me know they are stupid and I shouldn't waste my time with them.
Non Sequitur
Oct 24, 19 12:24 pm
Is it the new "Qray" bracelet? That used to be my default warning sign.
tduds
Oct 24, 19 11:52 am
Can this thread be locked? It's turned into xenophobe bait & we don't need any more of that.
SneakyPete
Oct 24, 19 12:03 pm
Agreed.
computerpro
Feb 12, 20 7:42 pm
Where are you getting this tripe:
"While the typical American suburban house is about 4000 square feet, the average in Europe is 1300, yet you pay as much if not more."
The average American home is closer to 1300 square feet. In an Expensive area that is large. Are you talking about a 1 million dollar mansion? Or living in Detroit?
That data is fairly meaningless even if it is real. Post the exact URL address source of data. I'm not buying that the average American home is 2,500 square feet. And does that include apartments, condos an town homes? Those are a huge part of the USA housing stock.
In large urban areas with high incomes large houses are far more expensive. A large home starts at $1 million USD. Maybe its half of that in a poor rural area. Or in a poor metro like Detroit Michigan. So yes in the country and places where wages are low there are larger houses.
Miles Jaffe
Feb 13, 20 8:05 pm
Image caption shows source: census bureau.
bramroosen
May 2, 20 7:45 pm
don’t know where you got this from, but like 99% of what you said is not true
giorgiamah
Aug 12, 20 5:55 am
I am Italian and reading this text made me smile many times, because you understood very very little about Europe and its context. In Europe food might be more expensive because we eat REAL FOOD, not just fast food and junk food, colourful but fake food, water with many different colours and flavours but..NORMAL AND NATURAL WATER! We buy fresh food more often because fresh food is good and healthy, why do you have to store food for a month? In many Us stores there are more chocolate bars or canned food ( also Pasta with cheese that fortunately you will NEVER find in Italy because nobody would buy it) on sale than fruits and vegetables! And this is super strange for us, because food is the most natural thing on earth! You have big cars...okay...here distances are reduced, we just dont need a huge car but a the right size one. Houses? Yours might be bigger but at least in European houses people from the same family still meet eachother and talk to eachother, eat together and look at each other's eyes, in the Usa many people from the same family barely know each other! Ask yourself what you really need in your life, what is important at the end of the day...if money is the answer you should go back to the Usa where money is more important than lives and people. In Europe and in Italy Hospital care, education are free, we have a lot of history...so..try to be more objective. I travelled to the Usa many times, there were many things I appreciated but at the same time many I didnt like at all I felt a general sense of superficiality where appearances are more important that the essence of things. I would never live there, but I would go there again to understand more about it and its culture. the whole world is special some how!
Non Sequitur
Aug 12, 20 6:15 am
France is nicer.
randomised
Aug 12, 20 8:06 am
you made an account for this?
Non Sequitur
Aug 12, 20 8:15 am
I sure did.
I knew all this work would pay off one day
randomised
Aug 12, 20 11:22 am
Meant giorgia, but good for you ;-)
x-jla
Aug 13, 20 7:37 pm
The US saved Europe from the Nazis, so there’s that. Italy is beautiful, but most of Europe is not nearly as culturally diverse as the US. We are a melting pot, so culture is mostly expressed in private around the family functions...while the public realm is for superficial things...
x-jla
Aug 13, 20 7:39 pm
So, just coming to visit you won’t necessarily see the depth as apparently as you do in Europe. I totally understand what you are saying though.
Jaetten
Aug 15, 20 2:46 am
To be fair, Russia did the the leg work. Without them, even with the US, we may have lost. That’s not to say the US wasn’t a help, they were. It’s just that the enemy had decimated Europe and hope had wained, where without the US, there would have probably been a bad ‘truce’ and a facist superstate.
Jaetten
Aug 15, 20 2:49 am
Russia may have controlled Western Europe as they did Eastern after the war. You never know. It’s a strange thing to imagine alternative scenarios.
Jaetten
Aug 15, 20 2:52 am
Every time I press enter haha... I think the US’ was a bigger help in preventing Russian expansion, more so than the nazi defeat. They had the capacity to fend the US had Russia not been there.
x-jla
Aug 16, 20 6:57 pm
Have you watch “The Man in the High Castle”?
Jaetten
Aug 12, 20 12:02 pm
British houses don't blow over in the wind!
You do however have such beautiful uninhabited scenery; go exploring and never see anyone.
Also, FREE public toilets!!!
randomised
Aug 12, 20 3:38 pm
And they speak English, sort of...
tduds
Aug 12, 20 4:08 pm
Are you sure you don't mean Oregon? This sounds like my life in Oregon.
SneakyPete
Aug 12, 20 4:15 pm
Where in Oregon? It's on my "possibles" list.
tduds
Aug 12, 20 4:17 pm
Anywhere but Klamath Falls (sorry Klamath Falls).
SneakyPete
Aug 12, 20 4:23 pm
Is that where the sovereign citizens gather?
Non Sequitur
Aug 12, 20 4:24 pm
I'm constantly reading about Astoria, Oregon. That place must be stellar.
tduds
Aug 12, 20 4:25 pm
Beautiful city but the locals can be a bit over the top.
rcz1001
Aug 12, 20 6:01 pm
Currently, just the one eccentric here.
b3tadine[sutures]
Aug 12, 20 6:27 pm
I think the idea that we're far "more better"just proves why we're not.
randomised
Aug 13, 20 7:09 am
[inserts clip from The Newsroom - America is not the greatest country in the world]
Non Sequitur
Aug 13, 20 7:28 am
But they do live real close to the best one tho... like literally below it. Just don’t come over until you get your shit together.
Jaetten
Aug 13, 20 7:58 am
Does that include spelling? Can Canada also spell 'Tyre' correctly? :) :) :)
Non Sequitur
Aug 13, 20 8:18 am
Nope.
Aucune chance mon ami.
JLC-1
Aug 13, 20 10:45 am
NZ is the best country in the world.
randomised
Aug 13, 20 3:42 pm
...when you’re white
JLC-1
Aug 13, 20 3:44 pm
rando,
are you dutch?
randomised
Aug 13, 20 3:45 pm
yep!
JLC-1
Aug 13, 20 3:45 pm
so, before riding your high horse all over this forum, please read a bit about your ancestry. I bet you know most of this history.
Just rewatched Whale Rider last weekend, made me feel very nostalgic and sentimental.
TED
Aug 13, 20 10:17 am
American here and now a Brit living in UK - undeniably Europe is far better that USA.
We believe in science.
We don't eat chlorinated chicken
We have the NHS.
......What the orange blob has done to US will take decades to repair. Getting out of the Paris Accord should bring brought millions to the street. Caging humans and children should have bring millions to the street. Gun deaths and mass shouting should have bring millions to the street. Inequality particularly education in the black community should bring millions to the street.
Trump worries about toilet flushing with 1 person dying every 8 seconds.
What a silly question to ask!
tduds
Aug 13, 20 12:43 pm
I eat sodium chlorinated chicken. It's gross otherwise.
randomised
Aug 13, 20 4:48 pm
Isn’t that annoying to always having to add chicken to your sodium chloride?
midlander
Aug 13, 20 7:25 pm
toilet flushes? totally wrong - he was worried about showerhead flow rates!
x-jla
Aug 13, 20 7:31 pm
Chlorine on chicken is better than ketchup on chicken...
Non Sequitur
Aug 13, 20 7:32 pm
Ketchup on chicken is a terrible idea.
randomised
Aug 14, 20 5:08 am
And in Europe we put neither ketchup nor chlorine on our chicken.
midlander
Aug 14, 20 6:52 am
mayonnaise?
randomised
Aug 14, 20 8:29 am
We fuckin’ drown ‘em in that shit...
Non Sequitur
Aug 14, 20 9:23 am
Mayonnaise is just wrong...
archanonymous
Aug 14, 20 9:44 am
If Mayo is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
Non Sequitur
Aug 14, 20 9:51 am
^erata, White mayo is wrong, unless it’s mixed wither either curry or hot spices, then it’s fucking delicious.
archanonymous
Aug 14, 20 12:23 pm
I'll go along with that. However I will forcefully argue it is the correct dipping sauce for french fries/ frites/ chips/ whatever you call them locally. The Belgians can't lay claim to much, but at least they'll always have mayonnaise on fries, Eddy Merckx, and waffles.
midlander
Aug 14, 20 11:08 pm
and flavored beer!
Non Sequitur
Aug 14, 20 11:46 pm
fries are best enjoyed with cheese curds and drowned in thick brown gravy. Fight me.
x-jla
Aug 15, 20 1:07 am
Fries and hummus. Fight me
Non Sequitur
Aug 16, 20 7:02 pm
Sorry x, not gonna beat a classic poutine with some chick-pea and garlic mush.
archanonymous
Aug 17, 20 12:02 pm
NS - I always thought Poutine was like a complete dish, not a dipping sauce for fries? You wouldn't order a bunch of fries and ask for a side of gravy and cheese, right? You just order Poutine.... In my book that makes it not "fries" but a separate and distinct culinary entity.
Drawn in
Aug 14, 20 8:31 am
I mean... if they'd only speak English over there like us civilized folk here in America.....
Listened to a recent NPR story that illustrated Protos post well. Talked about how young people from Europe were flocking to the US because the European Union business environment, and layers of regulations made starting new business or growing them very difficult. Young people everywhere want the good life, and apparently here they feel it's their best chance to achieve that kind of success, through our slightly workaholic business model.
randomised
Aug 16, 20 5:59 pm
They go because they think you need to be in Silicon Valley to start-up something related to the internet, until they realise they might need medical help, a holiday, maternity or paternity leave, social security, etc. and they come back home
Drawn in
Aug 16, 20 6:24 pm
Yep they went in to all of that. They come here because starting a business in the US is far far easier than in a centrally controlled, heavily bureaucratic EU. That's NPR' s report, and finding. They love the EU, by the way.
Non Sequitur
Aug 16, 20 6:57 pm
Still not worth it to have to deal with the other nonsense (healthcare, guns, religion, politics, trump, etc)
Drawn in
Aug 16, 20 7:25 pm
It's all personal preference. President come, and go here. I wouldn't be basing my moves on a temporary position politician.
Non Sequitur
Aug 16, 20 7:54 pm
That’s just one part of the problem. There is plenty more thats wrong that’s engrained deep.
Drawn in
Aug 16, 20 8:14 pm
Well, there are no perfect places. Every country has its issues. It's all what you make of the place you're in or going to, and right now the US has been a favorite of the millennial age population in the EU. Creating wealth is deemed easier buy many in the US than many other countries.
Non Sequitur
Aug 16, 20 8:37 pm
Even if that were actually true, still not worth it given all the other drawbacks. Creating "wealth" is an odd benchmark to use and ignores a metric shit-ton of missing adequate/reasonable/intelligent benefits.
Drawn in
Aug 16, 20 8:42 pm
Creating wealth is the number one thing people in business are trying to do. Nothing odd about that in my opinion.
Non Sequitur
Aug 16, 20 9:01 pm
"Young people everywhere want the good life"
Good life implies more than business. You can have all the wealth generation culture you want, I'll take mine instead. At least I don't have to allocate money each month to ammunition, hospital bills, or silly gated community HOAs.
x-jla
Aug 17, 20 12:36 am
Idk non, its far easier to live in most parts of the US than most parts of Europe or Canada.
Non Sequitur
Aug 17, 20 5:58 am
Most parts? I’m willing to meet you halfway on the EU point but not a chance on Canada.
Drawn in
Aug 17, 20 7:51 am
Non s. you don't really have as strong grasp of the US. Most people don't live in gated communities, you don't need to buy ammo, and the health care while expense is still good, and you don't have to wait months and months for surgeries (pre covid of course). I like the back and forth, but reality needs to be part of the discussion. Both the US and EU have pros, and cons.
Non Sequitur
Aug 17, 20 8:15 am
I do have a good grasp of the US tho and I want absolutely none of it.
Drawn in
Aug 17, 20 8:24 am
No not really. Unless you've spent actual time here the things you're commenting on are headline grabbing issues, not actual daily life in America for the vast vast majority of citizens.
Non Sequitur
Aug 17, 20 8:39 am
So you're saying the vast majority of citizens don't need to shell out a fortune for basic health care? That's good to know.
Drawn in
Aug 17, 20 10:30 am
We can go on. about this all day. Yes, we pay more for medical insurance. Yes we have the most innovative medical colleges in the world, yes people from all over the world come here for the most delicate, and difficult surgical procedures. Yes to many issues, and its still a great country, just as the countries in the EU. If you're determined to make this a US sucks thread, I'm out. The topic was young people leaving the EU in large numbers because the EU is a difficult place to start new businesses. You've morphed it into something different. All those folks have weighed the costs, and issues with coming here, and decided it was the right decision for them. The US is right at the top of GDP in the world. We are nation that values hard work, and the rewards of that hard work. The other issues take care of themselves when you succeed in a place that fosters success.
Non Sequitur
Aug 17, 20 11:06 am
Yeah, keep up those delusions buddy. It's not as great a place as you've convinced yourself it is. M'erica: "we're better because we told you so, fight-us!" is your dumb motto. Shelve it, along with your non-existant and backwards social policies, insulting 2A obsession, and inflated egos. Very happy that border is closed ATM.
Drawn in
Aug 17, 20 11:16 am
Wow. Where do you call home ?
Non Sequitur
Aug 17, 20 11:25 am
North of your precious border. 8-) See the above discussion on the correct accoutrements with french(freedom) fries.
Drawn in
Aug 17, 20 11:37 am
Canada, nice place. Have always enjoyed my visits except in Quebec. The rudest, most arrogant people I've ever encountered anywhere in the world, and we've traveled 3 continents, 2 hemispheres, and all social classes within those geographic locations.
Non Sequitur
Aug 17, 20 11:41 am
Agree, quebec is the worst.
Almosthip
Aug 17, 20 12:05 pm
Damn frenchies.
Non Sequitur
Aug 17, 20 12:17 pm
^Correction, damn Québécois!
As a francophone, I take great offense to be associated with them.
Drawn in
Aug 17, 20 12:23 pm
They make the French seem tolerable.
proto
Aug 17, 20 3:48 pm
The other issues take care of themselves when you succeed in a place that fosters success.
Maybe for the wealthy, but the rest of American society begs to disagree.
There is no social trickle down.
michaelamato
Jul 16, 21 4:04 pm
okay for the love of god!
Europe is better than the USA in some ways, and worse than the US in other ways.
All I see here are obviously biased people arguing about whose country is better like a bunch of god damn School Children! Grow Up!
Non Sequitur
Jul 16, 21 4:11 pm
Why did you drag this dead horse for another beating?
The title might seem a bit controversial, but it is the Truth , We Americans should start appreciating what all we have in this great country, even though we are in rough times now. There is no place better than the USA.
I’ve just returned from Europe after 3 years with my family. I lived in the UK, the Netherlands. and a few months in France.. While these countries may not represent the the entire Europe, they do many things in common with other European countries. While I had a great time there and made many dear friends , I'm so glad to be back in my mcmansion driving an SUV.
Pretty much half of our income went back the government. Which leaves you compared to the USA with less money to spend. Since i moved there with my family i wanted to life in the suburbs like i was accustomed in the USA. While the typical American suburban house is about 4000 square feet, the average in Europe is 1300, yet you pay as much if not more. to make matter worst, you always share your side bearing walls with neighbours as the brownstones houses in the USA. The backyard is extremely small and you don’t really have any privacy. You can hear the neighbours of 5 houses further talking. Usually the living room, dining room and kitchen are on the ground floor and are in an open space. Everything happens in there. You eat, cook, receive guests, work on the computer, watch tv, somethigs give birth to a child all in that 40 square foot room. And if you have pets , they also life in that room. The second floor typically has a maximum of 3 bedrooms. One average size room and two small ones and one bathroom. No walk-in closest, no master bathroom. The whole families just shares one bathroom. Then you got the addict which is for storage and laundry. Depending on the type roof you might be able to squeeze in an extra room.
People usually do groceries every day because the houses are so smal to store food. You can’t stock buy for a whole moths. Plus cars are extremely expensive as most things. Whole families just have one tiny car because cars are taxed monthly by the weight. How heavier the car how more expensive it is. So therefore you are unable to transport a month worth of grocery home. A Lincoln town car is only for the absolute rich in Europe. The 40% of the price is made of taxes. The gas price there is outrages.Almost 70 procent goes back to the government. A gallon would cost you about $ 9.00 there. Visiting a friend outer state is not something you do weekly due to the gas prices
So what do you do in your free time? While eating at a restaurant is pretty standard in the USA, eating in Europe is very expensive. The portion are smaller but you pay 4 times as much. It is not strange that people rarely pay for the whole group. Everyone pays their own food. Going out to the club is reasonable, but don’t expect any valet parking or buffets in the club. Anything extra add to the cost of living so people and companies try to keep the cost down by living very sober. Simple things we take for granted in the USA are seen there are luxury. Weekly Laundry visits, taxi rides, having a maid, a gardener, owning a backyard pool, in Europe is a big no no. To expensive. We gave Ipads as xmas gifts, they give oven mittens. A child b-day consist of maximum 5 children since the houses are too small to invite the whole class. Weddings don’t have any catering, cause it’s too expensive for the average Joe there.
So as you can see, we really have to be grate full sometimes be an American. I do have to give the Europeans credit for the Architecture.
All things considered, the US is a joke.
Land of the free and home of the brave my a**.
Of course no country is perfect and we are all boased towards our homes.
Personally i like cadilacs and burgers, but only in the movies. Don't care much for not affording healthcare despite working, GMO food with pesticide sauce, mass shootings, 5 litre engines that barely move the 3 ton car, lack of public transit, neonazis, trump voters(ok same thing), the debt culture etc.
It all looks good in the movies, but actually being there? No thanks, i'd rather use my bicycle to go home to my small debt free house and cook my own gmo free food. And i'd rather have my kids not die in a school shooting or from a drug overdose. Cheap jeans and stuff aren't worth the trouble, i can always order them on ebay.
America? No thanks.
You made an account especially for this?
Do ya like corn?
It’s ok, you can say ass here. So where does your holiness live then?
America can beat your country up. You lose.
Florida is really nuts though. We should totally
dump Florida.
Europe is not a country, you must be from Florida ;) You'd have to find the country first, in order to "beat it up", back2school!
Hopefully if Trump Gets re-elected we can get out of the UN and NATO. Get read to speak Russian. Face it you are America's bitch, we fight your war for over 100 years, we constantly send you aid, you bitch and cry and act like you are better. All while living in the house of freedom we built. You offer the world nothing except a cautionary tale of what not to do.
^Wanker.
No problem Normi, carry on in your utopian society wherever that is. And you're welcome for the US saving your country wherever that may be, and providing a blanket of military security from Russia, and soon China.
it's all relative.... there are no absolutes, otherwise Utopia would exist (which then would void its existence...mind fuck).
Anyway... degustibus non disputandum est.
"far more better" ... more better? Nice.
The OP is from USA... so... that checks out.
Thanks a lot of valid points in the article. I think the thing that is missing is Europeans have a confidence issue that makes it impossible to accept that Europe sucks. There is a reason why few Americans choose to become european citizens and millions of Europeans are currently trying to become Americans.
The problem with this article is anyone who is open minded has never given any serious thought to living in Europe. Sure we may want to visit or even work there for a couple of years, but we don't want to live there.
So the people who are going to read your article are european snowflakes that can't admit you are right about everything.
Europe > USA by a cubic light-year
You are an idiot! So Europeans have a confidence issue to admit Europe sucks, yet they choose to move to the US? You probably never left your county let alone the continental US.
first time poster talking about snowflakes ... LOL
This Michael is just some guy who works in a warehouse and spends his free time on the internet. Ignore him.
I bet ya he has a fine collection of red ballcaps.
I kind of like those red caps. It's like someone wearing a sign that lets me know they are stupid and I shouldn't waste my time with them.
Is it the new "Qray" bracelet? That used to be my default warning sign.
Can this thread be locked? It's turned into xenophobe bait & we don't need any more of that.
Agreed.
Where are you getting this tripe:
"While the typical American suburban house is about 4000 square feet, the average in Europe is 1300, yet you pay as much if not more."
The average American home is closer to 1300 square feet. In an Expensive area that is large. Are you talking about a 1 million dollar mansion? Or living in Detroit?
.
That data is fairly meaningless even if it is real. Post the exact URL address source of data. I'm not buying that the average American home is 2,500 square feet. And does that include apartments, condos an town homes? Those are a huge part of the USA housing stock.
In large urban areas with high incomes large houses are far more expensive. A large home starts at $1 million USD. Maybe its half of that in a poor rural area. Or in a poor metro like Detroit Michigan. So yes in the country and places where wages are low there are larger houses.
Image caption shows source: census bureau.
don’t know where you got this from, but like 99% of what you said is not true
I am Italian and reading this text made me smile many times, because you understood very very little about Europe and its context. In Europe food might be more expensive because we eat REAL FOOD, not just fast food and junk food, colourful but fake food, water with many different colours and flavours but..NORMAL AND NATURAL WATER! We buy fresh food more often because fresh food is good and healthy, why do you have to store food for a month? In many Us stores there are more chocolate bars or canned food ( also Pasta with cheese that fortunately you will NEVER find in Italy because nobody would buy it) on sale than fruits and vegetables! And this is super strange for us, because food is the most natural thing on earth! You have big cars...okay...here distances are reduced, we just dont need a huge car but a the right size one. Houses? Yours might be bigger but at least in European houses people from the same family still meet eachother and talk to eachother, eat together and look at each other's eyes, in the Usa many people from the same family barely know each other! Ask yourself what you really need in your life, what is important at the end of the day...if money is the answer you should go back to the Usa where money is more important than lives and people. In Europe and in Italy Hospital care, education are free, we have a lot of history...so..try to be more objective. I travelled to the Usa many times, there were many things I appreciated but at the same time many I didnt like at all I felt a general sense of superficiality where appearances are more important that the essence of things. I would never live there, but I would go there again to understand more about it and its culture. the whole world is special some how!
France is nicer.
you made an account for this?
I sure did.
I knew all this work would pay off one day
Meant giorgia, but good for you ;-)
The US saved Europe from the Nazis, so there’s that. Italy is beautiful, but most of Europe is not nearly as culturally diverse as the US. We are a melting pot, so culture is mostly expressed in private around the family functions...while the public realm is for superficial things...
So, just coming to visit you won’t necessarily see the depth as apparently as you do in Europe. I totally understand what you are saying though.
To be fair, Russia did the the leg work. Without them, even with the US, we may have lost. That’s not to say the US wasn’t a help, they were. It’s just that the enemy had decimated Europe and hope had wained, where without the US, there would have probably been a bad ‘truce’ and a facist superstate.
Russia may have controlled Western Europe as they did Eastern after the war. You never know. It’s a strange thing to imagine alternative scenarios.
Every time I press enter haha... I think the US’ was a bigger help in preventing Russian expansion, more so than the nazi defeat. They had the capacity to fend the US had Russia not been there.
Have you watch “The Man in the High Castle”?
British houses don't blow over in the wind!
You do however have such beautiful uninhabited scenery; go exploring and never see anyone.
Also, FREE public toilets!!!
And they speak English, sort of...
Are you sure you don't mean Oregon? This sounds like my life in Oregon.
Where in Oregon? It's on my "possibles" list.
Anywhere but Klamath Falls (sorry Klamath Falls).
Is that where the sovereign citizens gather?
I'm constantly reading about Astoria, Oregon. That place must be stellar.
Beautiful city but the locals can be a bit over the top.
Currently, just the one eccentric here.
I think the idea that we're far "more better"just proves why we're not.
[inserts clip from The Newsroom - America is not the greatest country in the world]
But they do live real close to the best one tho... like literally below it. Just don’t come over until you get your shit together.
Does that include spelling? Can Canada also spell 'Tyre' correctly? :) :) :)
Nope.
Aucune chance mon ami.
NZ is the best country in the world.
...when you’re white
rando, are you dutch?
yep!
so, before riding your high horse all over this forum, please read a bit about your ancestry. I bet you know most of this history.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/dutch-colonization-wreaked-havoc-from-asia-to-africa/1075570
btw, I don't disagree with your comment.
Just rewatched Whale Rider last weekend, made me feel very nostalgic and sentimental.
American here and now a Brit living in UK - undeniably Europe is far better that USA.
We believe in science.
We don't eat chlorinated chicken
We have the NHS.
......What the orange blob has done to US will take decades to repair. Getting out of the Paris Accord should bring brought millions to the street. Caging humans and children should have bring millions to the street. Gun deaths and mass shouting should have bring millions to the street. Inequality particularly education in the black community should bring millions to the street.
Trump worries about toilet flushing with 1 person dying every 8 seconds.
What a silly question to ask!
I eat sodium chlorinated chicken. It's gross otherwise.
Isn’t that annoying to always having to add chicken to your sodium chloride?
toilet flushes? totally wrong - he was worried about showerhead flow rates!
Chlorine on chicken is better than ketchup on chicken...
Ketchup on chicken is a terrible idea.
And in Europe we put neither ketchup nor chlorine on our chicken.
mayonnaise?
We fuckin’ drown ‘em in that shit...
Mayonnaise is just wrong...
If Mayo is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
^erata, White mayo is wrong, unless it’s mixed wither either curry or hot spices, then it’s fucking delicious.
I'll go along with that. However I will forcefully argue it is the correct dipping sauce for french fries/ frites/ chips/ whatever you call them locally. The Belgians can't lay claim to much, but at least they'll always have mayonnaise on fries, Eddy Merckx, and waffles.
and flavored beer!
fries are best enjoyed with cheese curds and drowned in thick brown gravy. Fight me.
Fries and hummus. Fight me
Sorry x, not gonna beat a classic poutine with some chick-pea and garlic mush.
NS - I always thought Poutine was like a complete dish, not a dipping sauce for fries? You wouldn't order a bunch of fries and ask for a side of gravy and cheese, right? You just order Poutine.... In my book that makes it not "fries" but a separate and distinct culinary entity.
I mean... if they'd only speak English over there like us civilized folk here in America.....
My educated guess is that the Dutch speak better English than some Americans...
https://www.iamsterdam.com/en/business/news-and-insights/news/2019/netherlands-first-place-in-ef-english-proficiency
And I just found this:
Surprised this gem hasn’t made here yet
https://youtu.be/xNzXze5Yza8
#american
#asshole
#douchebag
That's some funny sh*t.....
This one is better.
#fuckgm
#fuckwhiteguys
#fuxkcadillac
https://youtu.be/24VerifhVJk
Listened to a recent NPR story that illustrated Protos post well. Talked about how young people from Europe were flocking to the US because the European Union business environment, and layers of regulations made starting new business or growing them very difficult. Young people everywhere want the good life, and apparently here they feel it's their best chance to achieve that kind of success, through our slightly workaholic business model.
They go because they think you need to be in Silicon Valley to start-up something related to the internet, until they realise they might need medical help, a holiday, maternity or paternity leave, social security, etc. and they come back home
Yep they went in to all of that. They come here because starting a business in the US is far far easier than in a centrally controlled, heavily bureaucratic EU. That's NPR' s report, and finding. They love the EU, by the way.
Still not worth it to have to deal with the other nonsense (healthcare, guns, religion, politics, trump, etc)
It's all personal preference. President come, and go here. I wouldn't be basing my moves on a temporary position politician.
That’s just one part of the problem. There is plenty more thats wrong that’s engrained deep.
Well, there are no perfect places. Every country has its issues. It's all what you make of the place you're in or going to, and right now the US has been a favorite of the millennial age population in the EU. Creating wealth is deemed easier buy many in the US than many other countries.
Even if that were actually true, still not worth it given all the other drawbacks. Creating "wealth" is an odd benchmark to use and ignores a metric shit-ton of missing adequate/reasonable/intelligent benefits.
Creating wealth is the number one thing people in business are trying to do. Nothing odd about that in my opinion.
"Young people everywhere want the good life"
Good life implies more than business. You can have all the wealth generation culture you want, I'll take mine instead. At least I don't have to allocate money each month to ammunition, hospital bills, or silly gated community HOAs.
Idk non, its far easier to live in most parts of the US than most parts of Europe or Canada.
Most parts? I’m willing to meet you halfway on the EU point but not a chance on Canada.
Non s. you don't really have as strong grasp of the US. Most people don't live in gated communities, you don't need to buy ammo, and the health care while expense is still good, and you don't have to wait months and months for surgeries (pre covid of course). I like the back and forth, but reality needs to be part of the discussion. Both the US and EU have pros, and cons.
I do have a good grasp of the US tho and I want absolutely none of it.
No not really. Unless you've spent actual time here the things you're commenting on are headline grabbing issues, not actual daily life in America for the vast vast majority of citizens.
So you're saying the vast majority of citizens don't need to shell out a fortune for basic health care? That's good to know.
We can go on. about this all day. Yes, we pay more for medical insurance. Yes we have the most innovative medical colleges in the world, yes people from all over the world come here for the most delicate, and difficult surgical procedures. Yes to many issues, and its still a great country, just as the countries in the EU. If you're determined to make this a US sucks thread, I'm out. The topic was young people leaving the EU in large numbers because the EU is a difficult place to start new businesses. You've morphed it into something different. All those folks have weighed the costs, and issues with coming here, and decided it was the right decision for them. The US is right at the top of GDP in the world. We are nation that values hard work, and the rewards of that hard work. The other issues take care of themselves when you succeed in a place that fosters success.
Yeah, keep up those delusions buddy. It's not as great a place as you've convinced yourself it is. M'erica: "we're better because we told you so, fight-us!" is your dumb motto. Shelve it, along with your non-existant and backwards social policies, insulting 2A obsession, and inflated egos. Very happy that border is closed ATM.
Wow. Where do you call home ?
North of your precious border. 8-) See the above discussion on the correct accoutrements with french(freedom) fries.
Canada, nice place. Have always enjoyed my visits except in Quebec. The rudest, most arrogant people I've ever encountered anywhere in the world, and we've traveled 3 continents, 2 hemispheres, and all social classes within those geographic locations.
Agree, quebec is the worst.
Damn frenchies.
^Correction, damn Québécois!
As a francophone, I take great offense to be associated with them.
They make the French seem tolerable.
The other issues take care of themselves when you succeed in a place that fosters success.
Maybe for the wealthy, but the rest of American society begs to disagree.
There is no social trickle down.
okay for the love of god!
Europe is better than the USA in some ways, and worse than the US in other ways.
All I see here are obviously biased people arguing about whose country is better like a bunch of god damn School Children! Grow Up!
Why did you drag this dead horse for another beating?
Repeating my request to shut this thread down.