It's interesting that people don't realize that the 'AI' (actually Artificial Narrow Intelligence) is just scouring the internet for examples of images that people have created and attempting to 'fit' them into a set of constraints.
At some point use of ANI could cause a 'dead end' in its ability to be 'creative' as it will have run out of human created content to search and instead will be using its own creations. This could lead to everything being generated by ANI to be the same.
b3tadine[sutures]
Apr 27, 23 10:49 am
Why is this gulp? Is it not fairly well known that early ZHA used copiers to create glitch schemes?
Chad Miller
Apr 27, 23 11:11 am
I'm not familiar with the process you're referring to bta. Would you be able to explain it or provide a link about it?
t a z
Apr 27, 23 11:22 am
Well, if AI is scrapping the internet to cull images in the style of ZHA I suppose the results are mostly derivatives of ZHA projects anyway. Either that or ZHA / MAD love children are being created.
Chad Miller
Apr 27, 23 11:28 am
But it the images are all ANI created then it becomes a snake eating its tail scenario . . .
I wouldn't rule out the love child though. ;)
archanonymous
Apr 30, 23 1:46 am
It all goes back to REM after all.
newguy
Apr 27, 23 1:23 pm
basically just admitting that they don't care for concept-based design and only pursue stylized form making....oh, and of course the ability to cut down on initial design labor costs. this shit is going to turn me into a luddite.
reallynotmyname
Apr 27, 23 2:03 pm
I used to do that shit manually. At my old job, the "director of design" would have me and the rest of the staff scour the web for photos of other architects' projects for them to copy. We literally never produced anything that somebody hadn't done before.
Chad Miller
Apr 27, 23 2:26 pm
Unethical but it makes you wonder. Our any of our ideas original?
sameolddoctor
Apr 27, 23 2:52 pm
I think Patrick Schumacher IS an AI
Chad Miller
Apr 27, 23 2:53 pm
I think you're an ANI. I could be too. Time to turing test everyone just to be sure.
t a z
Apr 27, 23 5:29 pm
Schumacher has seemingly appeared in the dezeen comment section. This is a popcorn worthy event.
x-jla
Apr 27, 23 4:50 pm
Hey Rick, can you please do a lengthy analysis on the legality of plan stamping for AI. Thanks ;)
Chad Miller
Apr 27, 23 5:11 pm
Oh be quiet. I just violated the TOU. ;)
pandahut
Apr 27, 23 5:31 pm
An egotistical architect reigns,
Whose creativity now wanes,
His designs seem to lack heart,
So he relies on AI to do his part.
The firm he owns pays a slave's wage,
The working conditions are a cage,
But his ego won't let him see,
The damage done by his own decree.
He thinks he's a master of the trade,
But it's the AI that's getting him paid,
For the originality he lacks,
Is made up by the code that's on his racks.
But what will happen when the machine,
Produces a design that's unforeseen,
Will he take credit or step aside,
And let the AI take the ride?
Perhaps it's time for him to learn,
That true creativity comes from the burn,
Of passion, heart, and intuition too,
Not just relying on code to see him through.
Chad Miller
Apr 27, 23 5:39 pm
Nice ChatGPT poem.
pandahut
Apr 27, 23 7:22 pm
I'm hoping he's snooping here like he does on Dezeen lol. Hi, Patrick!
Josh Mings
Apr 27, 23 8:54 pm
He does snoop on here.
Archinect
May 3, 23 11:54 am
Like Jack Torrence at the Overlook Hotel, Patrik has always been here...
will galloway
Apr 28, 23 4:28 pm
in its current form AI is not competing for creative control of design. Its the same as sketching and an ideation tool. For an office with a direction like ZHA it makes sense.
Being self-referential is a hallmark of a lot of offices, from steven holl to tadao ando to BIG. Creativity is often a matter of the mashup of the familiar with unfamiliar. Its what we do as architects all the time. AI seems to be doing that part for us, allowing us to get slightly further out of our heads than normal. Notice he is not saying anything more than that. Its part of the mix. Relatively healthy tbh. Less healthy would be the partner who says they only build their ideas and ignore all other input.
Doesnt mean AI is not dangerous, but this aspect so far is one of the upsides
nabrU
Apr 28, 23 9:52 pm
The AI thing ZHA kind of own it. if Zaha was alive I'm sure she would have some things to say about prompts 'in her style'.
On a similar subject there are lots of people on instagram calling for Olafur Elliasson and Tate modern to bring back The Weather Project so they can take photos of themselves and ruin the experience.
monosierra
Apr 29, 23 12:42 pm
I suppose if the current ZHA is doing their best to emulate/execute the "house style" standards set by Hadid, then a blackbox AI could do a comparable pre-concept job by studying the millions of ZHA images online.
will galloway
Apr 29, 23 3:24 pm
@matsys design (Andrew Kudless) is doing pretty cool things with AI, suggesting a sketchbook approach that feeds models and renders through the text-based systems, not just scraping the internet. For example, starting a sketch with a Zbuffer layer from rhino allows pursuit of materials and forms without losing control of all parameters (sounds goofy to my ears as I write it, but check out the IG images for an idea of what that means). It's a lot like parametric design. Little wonder ZHA would pick that up. If they are sophisticated users they are likely to get sophisticated results. The training set decides the outcome and it never needs to be just images online.
b3tadine[sutures]
Apr 29, 23 10:36 pm
I love his and brianmkelly_ work. They are thinking about the correct way I think. More like sketches, inspiration, jumping off points. I'm trying to get to where they are as well; using my own sketches, appropriated photos - ala Rauschenberg -...
archanonymous
Apr 30, 23 1:54 am
Come on Will, you are constantly chiming in with rational, reasoned analysis informed by working and teaching in high-level design. BOOOOOOOOORING.
dezeen.com
Gulp.
It's interesting that people don't realize that the 'AI' (actually Artificial Narrow Intelligence) is just scouring the internet for examples of images that people have created and attempting to 'fit' them into a set of constraints.
At some point use of ANI could cause a 'dead end' in its ability to be 'creative' as it will have run out of human created content to search and instead will be using its own creations. This could lead to everything being generated by ANI to be the same.
Why is this gulp? Is it not fairly well known that early ZHA used copiers to create glitch schemes?
I'm not familiar with the process you're referring to bta. Would you be able to explain it or provide a link about it?
Well, if AI is scrapping the internet to cull images in the style of ZHA I suppose the results are mostly derivatives of ZHA projects anyway. Either that or ZHA / MAD love children are being created.
But it the images are all ANI created then it becomes a snake eating its tail scenario . . .
I wouldn't rule out the love child though. ;)
It all goes back to REM after all.
basically just admitting that they don't care for concept-based design and only pursue stylized form making....oh, and of course the ability to cut down on initial design labor costs. this shit is going to turn me into a luddite.
I used to do that shit manually. At my old job, the "director of design" would have me and the rest of the staff scour the web for photos of other architects' projects for them to copy. We literally never produced anything that somebody hadn't done before.
Unethical but it makes you wonder. Our any of our ideas original?
I think Patrick Schumacher IS an AI
I think you're an ANI. I could be too. Time to turing test everyone just to be sure.
Schumacher has seemingly appeared in the dezeen comment section. This is a popcorn worthy event.
Hey Rick, can you please do a lengthy analysis on the legality of plan stamping for AI. Thanks ;)
Oh be quiet. I just violated the TOU. ;)
An egotistical architect reigns, Whose creativity now wanes, His designs seem to lack heart, So he relies on AI to do his part.
The firm he owns pays a slave's wage, The working conditions are a cage, But his ego won't let him see, The damage done by his own decree.
He thinks he's a master of the trade, But it's the AI that's getting him paid, For the originality he lacks, Is made up by the code that's on his racks.
But what will happen when the machine, Produces a design that's unforeseen, Will he take credit or step aside, And let the AI take the ride?
Perhaps it's time for him to learn, That true creativity comes from the burn, Of passion, heart, and intuition too, Not just relying on code to see him through.
Nice ChatGPT poem.
I'm hoping he's snooping here like he does on Dezeen lol. Hi, Patrick!
He does snoop on here.
Like Jack Torrence at the Overlook Hotel, Patrik has always been here...
in its current form AI is not competing for creative control of design. Its the same as sketching and an ideation tool. For an office with a direction like ZHA it makes sense.
Being self-referential is a hallmark of a lot of offices, from steven holl to tadao ando to BIG. Creativity is often a matter of the mashup of the familiar with unfamiliar. Its what we do as architects all the time. AI seems to be doing that part for us, allowing us to get slightly further out of our heads than normal. Notice he is not saying anything more than that. Its part of the mix. Relatively healthy tbh. Less healthy would be the partner who says they only build their ideas and ignore all other input.
Doesnt mean AI is not dangerous, but this aspect so far is one of the upsides
The AI thing ZHA kind of own it. if Zaha was alive I'm sure she would have some things to say about prompts 'in her style'.
On a similar subject there are lots of people on instagram calling for Olafur Elliasson and Tate modern to bring back The Weather Project so they can take photos of themselves and ruin the experience.
I suppose if the current ZHA is doing their best to emulate/execute the "house style" standards set by Hadid, then a blackbox AI could do a comparable pre-concept job by studying the millions of ZHA images online.
@matsys design (Andrew Kudless) is doing pretty cool things with AI, suggesting a sketchbook approach that feeds models and renders through the text-based systems, not just scraping the internet. For example, starting a sketch with a Zbuffer layer from rhino allows pursuit of materials and forms without losing control of all parameters (sounds goofy to my ears as I write it, but check out the IG images for an idea of what that means). It's a lot like parametric design. Little wonder ZHA would pick that up. If they are sophisticated users they are likely to get sophisticated results. The training set decides the outcome and it never needs to be just images online.
I love his and brianmkelly_ work. They are thinking about the correct way I think. More like sketches, inspiration, jumping off points. I'm trying to get to where they are as well; using my own sketches, appropriated photos - ala Rauschenberg -...
Come on Will, you are constantly chiming in with rational, reasoned analysis informed by working and teaching in high-level design. BOOOOOOOOORING.
I come here for the hot takes.
Agreed, /
Does AI draw sections?
Never go full AI.