How long does it take to become a black belt (or black turtleneck) in architecture? Are there skill levels that denote white belt, brown belt, etc?
Kinsbergen
Sep 8, 22 9:03 am
For a black belt in Architecture this is the level you should be aiming for.
monosierra
Sep 8, 22 9:37 am
Start an Instagram practice before school starts and you can rightfully claim to be a blackbelt.
Chad Miller
Sep 8, 22 9:58 am
How long - your entire life.
Non Sequitur
Sep 8, 22 10:52 am
break 8 concrete blocks (split-face, for artistic flair) with your fore-head without spilling your late.
Miyadaiku
Sep 8, 22 11:54 pm
Bonus points if you can do a jump move headbutt through an opening and break some bond beam blocks.
curtkram
Sep 9, 22 11:14 am
probably doesn't need to be said, but you have to do it without scratching your corbu glasses.
atelier nobody
Sep 8, 22 1:15 pm
Eric Clapton played his first recording sessions (with the Yardbirds) in 1963 and released his first solo album in 1970.
In 1989 he titled his 11th solo album "Journeyman".
I got my first drafting job in 1994 - I understand what Clapton meant...
bowling_ball
Sep 8, 22 1:24 pm
The more experience you gain, the more you come to understand that you'll never know everything, or do everything perfectly every time.
As somebody with actual belts in a bunch of things, this isn't a great way to look at the profession at all. It's simply a different beast.
Based on my own experience and those of my colleagues, some of us start hitting our stride about 10-12 years in (not including school) but for others it may take 20. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
b3tadine[sutures]
Sep 8, 22 1:50 pm
Question: how's your single leg takedown, and baseball choke?
Chad Miller
Sep 8, 22 1:56 pm
It's ::meh:: Grappling is for if I miss with my gun and bow. 'Murica.
Miyadaiku
Sep 8, 22 9:43 pm
Here in Japan after you design your first dojo, when the building is occupied you have the option to storm the dojo and challenge the master. You announce yourself as a literal god of architecture and declare battle to the death via fencing with T-squares. Upon defeat of the sensei you may take his belt and wear it back to the office. You must now lead his lost disciples as well into the abyss that is architecture or lose your honor forever. Appropriate forms for registration of the black belt and the disciples will be faxed to you. Don't forget to stamp them and send them back to the local building dept.
Chad Miller
Sep 9, 22 10:04 am
What happens if you lose? Do you have to perform some type of architectural seppuku?
Miyadaiku
Sep 11, 22 7:47 pm
Self-disembowelment using the 60 degree corner of your triangle.
Chad Miller
Sep 12, 22 10:49 am
Fitting. Now excuse me, I need to go find my 60 degree triangle.
Wood Guy
Sep 9, 22 10:41 am
It seems to be around age 40-50 that residential architects and designers know enough to be successful on their own. Some outliers get there earlier, and some never do, but that's what I've seen. I'm about to turn 49 and just starting to really feel like I know what I'm doing on all aspects of home design. I had plenty of confidence when I was younger but looking back I didn't have all of the skills yet. In 20 years I'll probably say the same thing about what I know now.
x-jla
Sep 10, 22 7:56 pm
The experimental spirit of youth and the experience that comes with age seem to be in harmony around age 40-60. That’s probably different in different professions. Before that period, the experience falls short of the ambition, and after that the ambition falls short of the experience.
Stasis
Sep 13, 22 4:03 pm
I agree.. i think architects bloom/mature around that age range. When I go to the job sites, GCs/Subs take my colleagues (little over 60) more seriously than they do to me, even though he and I were saying the exactly the same thing. I too have tendency/preference towards older architects than the younger ones.
x-jia's spot on... I don't listen to anyone under 35 who talks really big about what they can do.. :). Some of them still believe the GC can and should step up and take their Rhino models into shop drawings... Under their ambition of creating beautiful space, some still think they can make changes later during construction without ever facing the client's wrath over a change order.
When the contractors either salute you or bow when you walk on site!
Stasis
Sep 13, 22 3:58 pm
lol, that happens very rarely or the GCs strategically put up fake respectful façade to put architects at ease, then blame you later for design changes/errors/omissions.
You do get a little respect for showing up in a F-150 truck instead of a full efficient compact cars.
whistler
Sep 13, 22 4:11 pm
Drop some F-bombs and buy Friday beers goes a long way too! Fancy euro cars not so much!
Stasis
Sep 13, 22 4:24 pm
lol, spot on.. one GC called and shouted at me 'Don't F^$* with me, Boy!' I did realize later that he's old enough to be my father. We brushed it off later over a BBQ lunch :).
archanonymous
Sep 16, 22 7:42 pm
When they see you know your way around a jobsite and can run a tape like a pro, that happens pretty quickly.
whistler
Sep 16, 22 8:21 pm
That's a low bar for a black belt! ... I would expect that of any registered Architect. I have to say it's always a bit of a fencing match with the "know it all" site superintendent, but all fair. In fact it's when you can win a code compliance battle / interpretation with the local building inspector / plan checker when you can put some notches on your belt to becoming a black belt!
bowling_ball
Sep 16, 22 9:14 pm
I put a GC in his place, way too harshly, when he interrupted me for the umpteenth time in front of the client. I'm not a chatty person so it was completely unwarranted. I threatened him physically.
bowling_ball
Sep 16, 22 9:15 pm
Oops. Anyway two weeks later, he calls to hire me to design his house. We've become good friends and have since worked on $100M+ in projects together.
How long does it take to become a black belt (or black turtleneck) in architecture? Are there skill levels that denote white belt, brown belt, etc?
For a black belt in Architecture this is the level you should be aiming for.
Start an Instagram practice before school starts and you can rightfully claim to be a blackbelt.
How long - your entire life.
break 8 concrete blocks (split-face, for artistic flair) with your fore-head without spilling your late.
Bonus points if you can do a jump move headbutt through an opening and break some bond beam blocks.
probably doesn't need to be said, but you have to do it without scratching your corbu glasses.
Eric Clapton played his first recording sessions (with the Yardbirds) in 1963 and released his first solo album in 1970.
In 1989 he titled his 11th solo album "Journeyman".
I got my first drafting job in 1994 - I understand what Clapton meant...
The more experience you gain, the more you come to understand that you'll never know everything, or do everything perfectly every time.
As somebody with actual belts in a bunch of things, this isn't a great way to look at the profession at all. It's simply a different beast.
Based on my own experience and those of my colleagues, some of us start hitting our stride about 10-12 years in (not including school) but for others it may take 20. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
Question: how's your single leg takedown, and baseball choke?
It's ::meh:: Grappling is for if I miss with my gun and bow. 'Murica.
Here in Japan after you design your first dojo, when the building is occupied you have the option to storm the dojo and challenge the master. You announce yourself as a literal god of architecture and declare battle to the death via fencing with T-squares. Upon defeat of the sensei you may take his belt and wear it back to the office. You must now lead his lost disciples as well into the abyss that is architecture or lose your honor forever. Appropriate forms for registration of the black belt and the disciples will be faxed to you. Don't forget to stamp them and send them back to the local building dept.
What happens if you lose? Do you have to perform some type of architectural seppuku?
Self-disembowelment using the 60 degree corner of your triangle.
Fitting. Now excuse me, I need to go find my 60 degree triangle.
It seems to be around age 40-50 that residential architects and designers know enough to be successful on their own. Some outliers get there earlier, and some never do, but that's what I've seen. I'm about to turn 49 and just starting to really feel like I know what I'm doing on all aspects of home design. I had plenty of confidence when I was younger but looking back I didn't have all of the skills yet. In 20 years I'll probably say the same thing about what I know now.
The experimental spirit of youth and the experience that comes with age seem to be in harmony around age 40-60. That’s probably different in different professions. Before that period, the experience falls short of the ambition, and after that the ambition falls short of the experience.
I agree.. i think architects bloom/mature around that age range. When I go to the job sites, GCs/Subs take my colleagues (little over 60) more seriously than they do to me, even though he and I were saying the exactly the same thing. I too have tendency/preference towards older architects than the younger ones.
x-jia's spot on... I don't listen to anyone under 35 who talks really big about what they can do.. :). Some of them still believe the GC can and should step up and take their Rhino models into shop drawings... Under their ambition of creating beautiful space, some still think they can make changes later during construction without ever facing the client's wrath over a change order.
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When the contractors either salute you or bow when you walk on site!
lol, that happens very rarely or the GCs strategically put up fake respectful façade to put architects at ease, then blame you later for design changes/errors/omissions.
You do get a little respect for showing up in a F-150 truck instead of a full efficient compact cars.
Drop some F-bombs and buy Friday beers goes a long way too! Fancy euro cars not so much!
lol, spot on.. one GC called and shouted at me 'Don't F^$* with me, Boy!' I did realize later that he's old enough to be my father. We brushed it off later over a BBQ lunch :).
When they see you know your way around a jobsite and can run a tape like a pro, that happens pretty quickly.
That's a low bar for a black belt! ... I would expect that of any registered Architect. I have to say it's always a bit of a fencing match with the "know it all" site superintendent, but all fair. In fact it's when you can win a code compliance battle / interpretation with the local building inspector / plan checker when you can put some notches on your belt to becoming a black belt!
I put a GC in his place, way too harshly, when he interrupted me for the umpteenth time in front of the client. I'm not a chatty person so it was completely unwarranted. I threatened him physically.
Oops. Anyway two weeks later, he calls to hire me to design his house. We've become good friends and have since worked on $100M+ in projects together.
Some of the answers are really funny:))
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