My trusty Logitech wireless mouse died so I'm trying this trackball mouse: https://www.logitech.com/en-us... I have minor hand and wrist issues that were sometimes a problem with a regular mouse. What are others using?
Almosthip
Mar 11, 21 11:06 am
Logitech MX Master
I pan with my thumb while zooming in and out at same time. I love it
Funny, I just emailed an architect friend about this and he linked to the exact same product.
Everyday Architect
Mar 11, 21 2:11 pm
I use the Logitech MX Master as well (currently the MX Master 2S to be precise). I always had issues in school with hand pain from using regular mice and this is just so much more ergonomic. I replaced it once in the last 10 years(?) when the *click* on the center scroll wheel stopped clicking.
I also like that it is wireless, and that it is rechargeable via USB cable, and that you can continue to use the mouse while recharging (take that Apple).
SneakyPete
Mar 11, 21 2:27 pm
It's impressive how long one can go between charges.
b3tadine[sutures]
Mar 11, 21 3:08 pm
I'm using a Logitech MX Vertical, and a Logitech wireless keyboard. Revolutionary, use one USB for both devices, and a reduction in switching between my computers. Fantastic.
Wood Guy
Mar 11, 21 5:07 pm
B3, I posted this question on the EntreArchitect forum as well and that mouse seems like a very popular choice.
Chad Miller
May 7, 21 11:21 am
I just ordered one. I'll let you know what I think of it once I get to use it.
I like my M705, although that MX Master does look worth a tryout.
It takes some futzing around with both your system mouse settings and settings in whichever software you use, but getting the extra buttons to do what you want them to can improve your workflow immensely - just setting the thumb button to bring up the osnap menu in AutoCAD literally changed my life.
I personally find trackballs much worse on my hand and wrist than a good ergonomic mouse. YMMV.
Everyday Architect
Mar 11, 21 4:41 pm
I love the extra buttons and the ability to program them by software application. In Bluebeam, my thumb button zooms to fit page, the forward and back buttons are to page up and down. When editing specs, the back button is bold, the forward button deletes the paragraph (I know a guy that mapped them to copy and paste). Amazing time savers.
Meatball2000
Mar 11, 21 2:44 pm
Any mouse with those sweet sweet side buttons..
randomised
Mar 11, 21 3:15 pm
The good old MX500 still works for me...
Non Sequitur
Mar 11, 21 3:23 pm
LOGI m510 for CAD and other stuff (gaming). It's cheap and lightweight... that 2nd part is crucial for me when drafting because I notice extra weight.
LOGI G600 for Revit. There are 12 customizable buttons for the thumb (24 if you use the extra toggle MB) so I can map several commands. It also has LED lights and if you download the app, you can pick any colour.
randomised
Mar 11, 21 7:22 pm
Looks like it has a Blackberry on the side...
atelier nobody
Mar 11, 21 7:29 pm
I have fat fingers - I'd never hit the right button on that thing.
Non Sequitur
Mar 11, 21 8:06 pm
Also worth noting that there are 2 right click buttons (+ zoom wheel click) and mode cycle button giving up to 3x24 command mapping options. I just stick to 24 and use the cycle button to alternate LED colours. It’s glorious.
Wood Guy
Mar 12, 21 1:02 pm
I used a Logitech M310 for years, until it died recently. Looks like the M510 but without the side buttons. I'm with atelier nobody--my fingers aren't exactly sausages but I don't think I'd do well with so many buttons. I could be wrong. Do you also use keyboard shortcuts?
Non Sequitur
Mar 12, 21 4:25 pm
WG, that black-berry'esque mouse is for revit only... My memory is full of autocad keyboard shortcuts (I only have a few toolbars for CAD... and surprise surprise, it's a crazy mismass of custom CUI tricks) and I cannot cram anymore key commands in there. I have both mice plugged into my workstation and alternate depending on the software I'm using.
Non Sequitur
Mar 12, 21 4:25 pm
for example, I switched from the G600 to the M510 to write the above (and this) reply.
OneLostArchitect
May 7, 21 11:25 am
out of curiosity what do you have those buttons mapped out for in Revit? I find that command input is better reserved for keyboard, especially since you can change command keys in Revit.
Non Sequitur
May 7, 21 11:29 am
One, I’ve mapped mostly annotation commands and graphic things. I can’t be bothered to remember key shortcuts anymore. Detail line, dims, various tags, etc. I also have synchronized set up and section cuts.
Non Sequitur
May 7, 21 11:31 am
Move and copy are keyed up but don’t work as well as keyboard shortcuts. So I don’t use the mouse buttons for those. Ditto for wall /family creation.
Josh Mings
Mar 11, 21 3:54 pm
Anker Vertical Ergonomic Mouse. Had one at a firm previously, loved it, bought one for home - because Apple's Magic Mouse in Revit IS THE WORST
I have an original Logitech g700, but the left click now double clicks... It spent thousands or hours playing 'world of warcraft' in my teenage years and early 20's. By far the most comfortable mouse I have use, a few extra buttons too.
Non Sequitur
Mar 12, 21 8:17 am
I totally rocked warcraft too in junior high... but that was Warcraft 2 and the mouse I used was a single button from my Power Mac 5200. Zoom wheels were not even invented at that time. Damn, thanks for making me feel old today.
Wood Guy
Mar 12, 21 8:43 am
Youngsters. I rocked The Legend of Zelda in my early teens, when it was a new game ;-) Doom came out when I was 20 and set the stage for the new type of game, and I couldn't get on board.
Non Sequitur
Mar 12, 21 9:31 am
I remember installing Doom2... came on something like 7 floppy discs
Almosthip
Mar 12, 21 10:59 am
We use to play Duke Nukem at lunch at my first firm
randomised
Mar 12, 21 4:05 pm
It's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of gum.
Stolen from twitter. I am both neutral good and chaotic good. I also did own that stupid circular apple mouse thing back in the day.
atelier nobody
Nov 2, 21 1:24 pm
I did get one of those "fruit" iMacs, but the very first thing I did was get a real mouse for it. On this chart I'm solidly NG (IRL I waver between NG/CG).
Appleseed
Mar 12, 21 3:14 pm
Been a fan of the 3DConnexion CadMouse for a while. Has a good weight to it - fit is typical claw-grip for me.
That Logitech mouse in the OP is pretty nice looking - might need to try that out...
Jaetten
May 7, 21 11:02 am
Trackballs are great when working from a laptop as you can work virtually anywhere without worrying about a mouse surface to work on. What'
s the cadmouse like for drawing work?
OneLostArchitect
Mar 13, 21 11:49 pm
G502 Hero
Miles Jaffe
May 7, 21 12:24 pm
Evolulent vertical. Was having problems with my hand from using typical dumb flat mouse that requires 90 degree forearm rotation. Switched to vertical and problems resolved in a couple of days.
eliza_ev
Aug 31, 21 12:26 am
+ 1 for Evoluent VM
I've been using Evoluent mice for a year or so, and I love it (switched to it because of newly diagnosed tunnel syndrome, which makes me "a dumb flat mouse" victim).
gwharton
Nov 8, 21 5:11 pm
Nothing else comes close to the excellence of the old Logitech Trackman Marble FX. Even 20+ years later.
I use the Logitech MX Vertical wireless mouse. Works great and doesn’t cause wrist pain (I broke a couple bones in my wrist in high school stopping a suplex wrong so normal mice are awful for me)
Wood Guy
Jul 25, 23 2:42 pm
That's what I've been using for the 2.5 years since I first posted this question. It's a very nice mouse. I'm having some forearm issues and my doctor suggested switching hands, which I tried but it doesn't work with the MX Vertical. They do make a left-handed version.
Chad Miller
Jul 25, 23 4:31 pm
That's a bummer WG. I too use the Logitech MX Vertical wireless mouse and love it. I'm sure you're doing PT and bracing trying to get your forearm issues healed up. Good luck!
Wood Guy
Jul 25, 23 4:52 pm
Nah, just resting it when I can. I overdid something doing a construction project early this year. I have a wrist brace and elbow brace that help with gripping motions but not with mousing. I can actually see advantages to switching mouse hands, such as using the number pad with my right hand.
b3tadine[sutures]
Jul 25, 23 7:10 pm
I wonder, could you two fist this?
Wood Guy
Jul 26, 23 9:01 am
Haha, sure, but I would impact my ability to type. Or do you mean have two mice set up and go between them throughout the day? I hadn't thought of that and it wouldn't work with my current keyboard tray, but it's possible.
My trusty Logitech wireless mouse died so I'm trying this trackball mouse: https://www.logitech.com/en-us... I have minor hand and wrist issues that were sometimes a problem with a regular mouse. What are others using?
Logitech MX Master
I pan with my thumb while zooming in and out at same time. I love it
https://www.logitech.com/en-ca...
Funny, I just emailed an architect friend about this and he linked to the exact same product.
I use the Logitech MX Master as well (currently the MX Master 2S to be precise). I always had issues in school with hand pain from using regular mice and this is just so much more ergonomic. I replaced it once in the last 10 years(?) when the *click* on the center scroll wheel stopped clicking.
I also like that it is wireless, and that it is rechargeable via USB cable, and that you can continue to use the mouse while recharging (take that Apple).
It's impressive how long one can go between charges.
I'm using a Logitech MX Vertical, and a Logitech wireless keyboard. Revolutionary, use one USB for both devices, and a reduction in switching between my computers. Fantastic.
B3, I posted this question on the EntreArchitect forum as well and that mouse seems like a very popular choice.
I just ordered one. I'll let you know what I think of it once I get to use it.
I use a fin style mouse like this one: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-W...
I like my M705, although that MX Master does look worth a tryout.
It takes some futzing around with both your system mouse settings and settings in whichever software you use, but getting the extra buttons to do what you want them to can improve your workflow immensely - just setting the thumb button to bring up the osnap menu in AutoCAD literally changed my life.
I personally find trackballs much worse on my hand and wrist than a good ergonomic mouse. YMMV.
I love the extra buttons and the ability to program them by software application. In Bluebeam, my thumb button zooms to fit page, the forward and back buttons are to page up and down. When editing specs, the back button is bold, the forward button deletes the paragraph (I know a guy that mapped them to copy and paste). Amazing time savers.
Any mouse with those sweet sweet side buttons..
The good old MX500 still works for me...
LOGI m510 for CAD and other stuff (gaming). It's cheap and lightweight... that 2nd part is crucial for me when drafting because I notice extra weight.
LOGI G600 for Revit. There are 12 customizable buttons for the thumb (24 if you use the extra toggle MB) so I can map several commands. It also has LED lights and if you download the app, you can pick any colour.
Looks like it has a Blackberry on the side...
I have fat fingers - I'd never hit the right button on that thing.
Also worth noting that there are 2 right click buttons (+ zoom wheel click) and mode cycle button giving up to 3x24 command mapping options. I just stick to 24 and use the cycle button to alternate LED colours. It’s glorious.
I used a Logitech M310 for years, until it died recently. Looks like the M510 but without the side buttons. I'm with atelier nobody--my fingers aren't exactly sausages but I don't think I'd do well with so many buttons. I could be wrong. Do you also use keyboard shortcuts?
WG, that black-berry'esque mouse is for revit only... My memory is full of autocad keyboard shortcuts (I only have a few toolbars for CAD... and surprise surprise, it's a crazy mismass of custom CUI tricks) and I cannot cram anymore key commands in there. I have both mice plugged into my workstation and alternate depending on the software I'm using.
for example, I switched from the G600 to the M510 to write the above (and this) reply.
out of curiosity what do you have those buttons mapped out for in Revit? I find that command input is better reserved for keyboard, especially since you can change command keys in Revit.
One, I’ve mapped mostly annotation commands and graphic things. I can’t be bothered to remember key shortcuts anymore. Detail line, dims, various tags, etc. I also have synchronized set up and section cuts.
Move and copy are keyed up but don’t work as well as keyboard shortcuts. So I don’t use the mouse buttons for those. Ditto for wall /family creation.
Anker Vertical Ergonomic Mouse. Had one at a firm previously, loved it, bought one for home - because Apple's Magic Mouse in Revit IS THE WORST
The Apple mouse *in general* is the worst
Has the coating peeled off yet?
For me, always a toss-up between these two.
Each has its advantages.
Steamboat Mickey, hands down.
Fantasia Mickey for the win.
R. Crumb FTW
Umm hello...Mighty Mouse for the win
https://youtu.be/Yxp23Gkvn9g
All wrong!
I read this as favourite 'moose'...
I have an original Logitech g700, but the left click now double clicks... It spent thousands or hours playing 'world of warcraft' in my teenage years and early 20's. By far the most comfortable mouse I have use, a few extra buttons too.
I totally rocked warcraft too in junior high... but that was Warcraft 2 and the mouse I used was a single button from my Power Mac 5200. Zoom wheels were not even invented at that time. Damn, thanks for making me feel old today.
Youngsters. I rocked The Legend of Zelda in my early teens, when it was a new game ;-) Doom came out when I was 20 and set the stage for the new type of game, and I couldn't get on board.
I remember installing Doom2... came on something like 7 floppy discs
We use to play Duke Nukem at lunch at my first firm
It's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of gum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTxbO5Rx_oU
this mousse
I'm a sucker for that stuff ;-)
Stolen from twitter. I am both neutral good and chaotic good. I also did own that stupid circular apple mouse thing back in the day.
I did get one of those "fruit" iMacs, but the very first thing I did was get a real mouse for it. On this chart I'm solidly NG (IRL I waver between NG/CG).
Been a fan of the 3DConnexion CadMouse for a while. Has a good weight to it - fit is typical claw-grip for me.
That Logitech mouse in the OP is pretty nice looking - might need to try that out...
Trackballs are great when working from a laptop as you can work virtually anywhere without worrying about a mouse surface to work on. What' s the cadmouse like for drawing work?
G502 Hero
Evolulent vertical. Was having problems with my hand from using typical dumb flat mouse that requires 90 degree forearm rotation. Switched to vertical and problems resolved in a couple of days.
+ 1 for Evoluent VM
I've been using Evoluent mice for a year or so, and I love it (switched to it because of newly diagnosed tunnel syndrome, which makes me "a dumb flat mouse" victim).
Nothing else comes close to the excellence of the old Logitech Trackman Marble FX. Even 20+ years later.
then be more active! https://www.facebook.com/Bring-back-the-Logitech-Marble-FX-Trackball-152884338063948/
As the Smiths fan , I like Modest Mouse
Dead Mau5
I use the Logitech MX Vertical wireless mouse. Works great and doesn’t cause wrist pain (I broke a couple bones in my wrist in high school stopping a suplex wrong so normal mice are awful for me)
That's what I've been using for the 2.5 years since I first posted this question. It's a very nice mouse. I'm having some forearm issues and my doctor suggested switching hands, which I tried but it doesn't work with the MX Vertical. They do make a left-handed version.
That's a bummer WG. I too use the Logitech MX Vertical wireless mouse and love it. I'm sure you're doing PT and bracing trying to get your forearm issues healed up. Good luck!
Nah, just resting it when I can. I overdid something doing a construction project early this year. I have a wrist brace and elbow brace that help with gripping motions but not with mousing. I can actually see advantages to switching mouse hands, such as using the number pad with my right hand.
I wonder, could you two fist this?
Haha, sure, but I would impact my ability to type. Or do you mean have two mice set up and go between them throughout the day? I hadn't thought of that and it wouldn't work with my current keyboard tray, but it's possible.