My apologies if this has been a question posted before.
Since my experience in college was minimal and the firms I worked at for 3 years only used Microstation and Autocad am I essentially screwed out of a career since all positions in my experience range require professional Revit experience? Or is having experience bringing projects from zoning approval to having certificate of Occupancy sufficient? or is it completely firm dependent?
SneakyPete
Jan 15, 20 4:04 pm
Find a job that values your skills or bolster your skills to find a job.
You're going to have to know Revit to be marketable even up to a Project Manager level. That's just my opinion coming from smaller firms where you do everything.
tduds
Jan 15, 20 5:55 pm
In my experience the higher up you are the less important it is that you know Revit. We have some PMs who seem to
manage to do their job with Excel + Sketchup.
tduds
Jan 15, 20 4:24 pm
I learned Revit with a handful of youtube videos & two weeks of picking up redlines. What's stopping you?
You're only screwing yourself out of a career if you don't take the initiative to learn new things.
Donna Sink
Jan 15, 20 5:22 pm
tduds, I agree to a point, but also: I'm currently simultaneously learning and using Revit on a HUGE project that exists in the cloud (BIM 360) with nearly a dozen consultants all in the model simultaneously and it is HARD. Is your experience on smaller projects? Because I am starting to think it would be fun to use on smaller projects now but this big multi-headed hydra of a project is a beast.
SneakyPete
Jan 15, 20 5:49 pm
That's like joining a superbowl halftime show in the middle and expecting your incredible dancing abilities to help you figure out the routine...
tduds
Jan 15, 20 5:53 pm
Revit is great for gigantic projects like that (if you have an organized BIM manager!), but I can't imagine jumping into that without ramping up on some smaller projects first. I learned Revit on smaller, but not very small, projects. 25-50 unit apartments, mostly.
curtkram
Jan 15, 20 8:37 pm
be careful. if a pop up asks you to click 'ok' on something, it's not messing around. like, 'you accidentally clicked the left cursor button, are you sure you want to delete all the ceilings and throw the cabinets 100' outside of the model?' no revit, what the hell is wrong with you?
potentdreams
Jan 15, 20 5:37 pm
Learning on your own is not experience in a professional setting. Also I have used it before in school for about 3 years was quite proficient in it as well. Eventually I replaced it with autocad and Autodesk Maya could do alot more and alot quicker. Just no experience in the professional setting which youtube and a laptop cant accomplish.
OddArchitect
Jan 15, 20 6:42 pm
Well then you should find a different profession.
Non Sequitur
Jan 16, 20 9:59 am
Use in school =/= proficiency
Almosthip7
Jan 15, 20 6:14 pm
get a Lynda account and start learning
liberty bell
Jan 16, 20 7:00 am
Can confirm, the Lynda courses are very good.
James Petty
Jan 23, 20 10:09 am
Lynda has great classes and accounts can be free with a university affiliation or a local library card.
zonker
Jan 15, 20 7:27 pm
many firms require you to take a Revit test, The office I'm at, we have to take a Revit proficiency exam every year
I learned Revit back in 06', it was easy then your work your way in - you just can't do that anymore, even small firms make you take a test
BIM360 makes it a global BIM profession. you really should learn it, or be forced to retire
SneakyPete
Jan 15, 20 7:35 pm
Absolutes are always right.
tduds
Jan 15, 20 8:08 pm
I've never encountered a Revit test and would probably leave mid-interview from a firm that required it. But maybe I'm spoiled.
Non Sequitur
Jan 15, 20 8:22 pm
I am the revit test in our office. The owners might be impressed with shiny images and self-evaluations on CVs but I’ll lift the skirt of your model and tear it down.
SneakyPete
Jan 16, 20 11:49 am
the model? or the skirt? I'm confused.
jwsd
Jan 16, 20 2:52 pm
I have taken a Revit test following an interview at a global sector-leader firm. This is so that they can ensure they are hiring the most well-trained people. Gensler had their BIM manager attend my interview to evaluate my level of skill. My personal experience is that it's always best to work with PMs who know the software and can understand its limitations. Therefore, some Revit knowledge is beneficial at every level in my opinion.
OddArchitect
Jan 16, 20 4:38 pm
We're a 12 person firm and we give Revit tests. Now this is just to know if we need to send you classes to get up to our standard. We obviously require previous Revit knowledge to even get an interview.
bowling_ball
Jan 15, 20 9:07 pm
With 3 years experience, so long as you can somehow demonstrate that you understand the basics of a CD set, and you have a good attitude, I would consider hiring somebody in your shoes.
It also depends on the position you're applying for. Are you on track to get licensed? Then I don't care all that much (in my specific office). Are you looking for a technical position? Then you should be have some real-world Revit experience. Different skills for different roles.
I put 'ability and willingness to learn,' 'good attitude,' and 'good fit for the office culture' all above technical skills when I'm hiring an intern or junior architect. I'm not the only one either.
potentdreams
Jan 15, 20 9:43 pm
Definately towards taking on more responsibility, finiahing my idp hours, and getting liscenced. Drafting is fun when learning the ins and outs of how documents go together but my interests lye in the human interactions with coordination, contractors, and the client. All of which my mentors allowed me to learn. Well as much as someone with so few years under their belt can.
OddArchitect
Jan 16, 20 9:48 am
With all that human interaction you didn't learn how to spell?
potentdreams
Jan 16, 20 1:08 pm
Haha you are a true chad
OddArchitect
Jan 16, 20 1:26 pm
It's ok, my spelling is horrible and I only speak and write (poorly) one language!
Miles Jaffe
Jan 16, 20 10:00 am
What's Revit?
OddArchitect
Jan 16, 20 10:16 am
Ok boomer
Miles Jaffe
Jan 16, 20 10:39 am
Shhh … adults are talking.
Non Sequitur
Jan 16, 20 12:25 pm
I discussed rivets on site this morning.
potentdreams
Jan 16, 20 1:10 pm
If were talking about getting some blind rivets on a face panel thats the stuff, yea that good stuff, that looks good.
So do I need to say 'ok boomer' to miles more or less?
atelier nobody
Jan 23, 20 12:53 pm
Roberts ought to recuse himself, as he is a Boomer.
OddArchitect
Jan 23, 20 4:36 pm
That doesn't answer my question though.
tduds
Jan 23, 20 4:43 pm
The boomer response to "OK Boomer" is exactly the kind of ridiculous emotional fragility they've been accusing millennials of for the past decade and it's fucking hilarious.
potentdreams
Jan 23, 20 4:52 pm
Fyi, i got a job without professional revit experience. At a firm that uses Revit.
Experience is valuable afterall.
tduds
Jan 23, 20 4:54 pm
Congrats. Never stop learning.
OddArchitect
Jan 23, 20 6:10 pm
That's great! Now go learn some Revit and you'll be unstoppable! 8-)
My apologies if this has been a question posted before.
Since my experience in college was minimal and the firms I worked at for 3 years only used Microstation and Autocad am I essentially screwed out of a career since all positions in my experience range require professional Revit experience? Or is having experience bringing projects from zoning approval to having certificate of Occupancy sufficient? or is it completely firm dependent?
Find a job that values your skills or bolster your skills to find a job.
https://archinect.com/arch-ellipsis/want-to-be-an-architect-don-t-learn-revit
You're going to have to know Revit to be marketable even up to a Project Manager level. That's just my opinion coming from smaller firms where you do everything.
In my experience the higher up you are the less important it is that you know Revit. We have some PMs who seem to manage to do their job with Excel + Sketchup.
I learned Revit with a handful of youtube videos & two weeks of picking up redlines. What's stopping you?
You're only screwing yourself out of a career if you don't take the initiative to learn new things.
tduds, I agree to a point, but also: I'm currently simultaneously learning and using Revit on a HUGE project that exists in the cloud (BIM 360) with nearly a dozen consultants all in the model simultaneously and it is HARD. Is your experience on smaller projects? Because I am starting to think it would be fun to use on smaller projects now but this big multi-headed hydra of a project is a beast.
That's like joining a superbowl halftime show in the middle and expecting your incredible dancing abilities to help you figure out the routine...
Revit is great for gigantic projects like that (if you have an organized BIM manager!), but I can't imagine jumping into that without ramping up on some smaller projects first. I learned Revit on smaller, but not very small, projects. 25-50 unit apartments, mostly.
be careful. if a pop up asks you to click 'ok' on something, it's not messing around. like, 'you accidentally clicked the left cursor button, are you sure you want to delete all the ceilings and throw the cabinets 100' outside of the model?' no revit, what the hell is wrong with you?
Learning on your own is not experience in a professional setting. Also I have used it before in school for about 3 years was quite proficient in it as well. Eventually I replaced it with autocad and Autodesk Maya could do alot more and alot quicker. Just no experience in the professional setting which youtube and a laptop cant accomplish.
Well then you should find a different profession.
Use in school =/= proficiency
get a Lynda account and start learning
Can confirm, the Lynda courses are very good.
Lynda has great classes and accounts can be free with a university affiliation or a local library card.
many firms require you to take a Revit test, The office I'm at, we have to take a Revit proficiency exam every year
I learned Revit back in 06', it was easy then your work your way in - you just can't do that anymore, even small firms make you take a test
BIM360 makes it a global BIM profession. you really should learn it, or be forced to retire
Absolutes are always right.
I've never encountered a Revit test and would probably leave mid-interview from a firm that required it. But maybe I'm spoiled.
I am the revit test in our office. The owners might be impressed with shiny images and self-evaluations on CVs but I’ll lift the skirt of your model and tear it down.
the model? or the skirt? I'm confused.
I have taken a Revit test following an interview at a global sector-leader firm. This is so that they can ensure they are hiring the most well-trained people. Gensler had their BIM manager attend my interview to evaluate my level of skill. My personal experience is that it's always best to work with PMs who know the software and can understand its limitations. Therefore, some Revit knowledge is beneficial at every level in my opinion.
We're a 12 person firm and we give Revit tests. Now this is just to know if we need to send you classes to get up to our standard. We obviously require previous Revit knowledge to even get an interview.
With 3 years experience, so long as you can somehow demonstrate that you understand the basics of a CD set, and you have a good attitude, I would consider hiring somebody in your shoes.
It also depends on the position you're applying for. Are you on track to get licensed? Then I don't care all that much (in my specific office). Are you looking for a technical position? Then you should be have some real-world Revit experience. Different skills for different roles.
I put 'ability and willingness to learn,' 'good attitude,' and 'good fit for the office culture' all above technical skills when I'm hiring an intern or junior architect. I'm not the only one either.
Definately towards taking on more responsibility, finiahing my idp hours, and getting liscenced. Drafting is fun when learning the ins and outs of how documents go together but my interests lye in the human interactions with coordination, contractors, and the client. All of which my mentors allowed me to learn. Well as much as someone with so few years under their belt can.
With all that human interaction you didn't learn how to spell?
Haha you are a true chad
It's ok, my spelling is horrible and I only speak and write (poorly) one language!
What's Revit?
Ok boomer
Shhh … adults are talking.
I discussed rivets on site this morning.
If were talking about getting some blind rivets on a face panel thats the stuff, yea that good stuff, that looks good.
riveting story. bravo.
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/15/796771558/chief-justice-roberts-is-ok-boomer-evidence-of-age-discrimination
So do I need to say 'ok boomer' to miles more or less?
Roberts ought to recuse himself, as he is a Boomer.
That doesn't answer my question though.
The boomer response to "OK Boomer" is exactly the kind of ridiculous emotional fragility they've been accusing millennials of for the past decade and it's fucking hilarious.
Fyi, i got a job without professional revit experience. At a firm that uses Revit.
Experience is valuable afterall.
Congrats. Never stop learning.
That's great! Now go learn some Revit and you'll be unstoppable! 8-)