I'm not very experienced yet (2 years in professional office) and trying to figure out how exactly this industry works, so I have a question to fellow architects here.
As my performance review is coming up, I started exploring other options and wanted to send couple of resumes here and there to test waters.
I work in small office in larger midwest city, we do mostly high-end residential projects, or just residential. As I was looking for job offers, I noticed that for positions like mine (unlicensed architectural associate/designer/drafter/you name it) suburban design-built firms are willing to pay more... Is this a thing, or I'm looking at it wrong? My market value according to glassdoor is around 46k$, I'm getting paid 45k$ currently and have a performance review in 2 months, where I'm expecting salary raise, but obviously nothing big, probably another 2-5k. I've seen offers from design-built firms that were ready to pay 50-60k$ for position like mine, while offers in the city has always significantly lower pay. Can someone explain me the difference between pay (and maybe character of work too) in city architecture firm vs suburban design-built company?
Thanks
Archlandia
Nov 5, 19 11:18 am
Look up *Design-Build* on the internet and you'll find more than you need to know.
athensarch
Nov 5, 19 11:21 am
Don’t trust Glassdoor. The figures on there are outdated and consistently lower than market rate (at least in New England).
What region in Midwest? I don’t have the city by city breakout, but the AIA salary calculator, which is also outdated, suggests you’re slightly underpaid unless your total comp (bonus, profit sharing etc) is generous.
przemula
Nov 5, 19 11:33 am
Archlandia - I already tried and now wanted to get some first-hand feedback.
Athensarch - Chicago. I'm aware that I'm underpaid and wanted to bring it up on upcoming review, however every time I see an offer in a city with pay info... I'm not impressed.
archanonymous
Nov 5, 19 12:13 pm
As a young designer 2-3 years experience in a reputable firm in Chicago... you should be making $55k at the minimum and not afraid to ask for that... or more.
Archlandia
Nov 5, 19 1:54 pm
I don't believe you, but whatever. If you want to know what you should be getting paid this is a great starting point http://info.aia.org/salary/
OddArchitect
Nov 5, 19 2:03 pm
Well the link you referenced shows an average salary for an intern level 1 at $59.5k for the OP's area.
Archlandia
Nov 5, 19 3:09 pm
Chad correct. 'tis the OP I don't believe, not the architecture anonymity individual.
OddArchitect
Nov 5, 19 4:14 pm
OK, but why would the OP lie about a low salary? Seriously, what benefit am I missing?
Archlandia
Nov 5, 19 4:31 pm
You're over-thinking this: They don't know what design-build is > I suggested they do some actual research > they said they already did > I don't believe that they did based on their response. Fin.
przemula
Nov 5, 19 4:38 pm
Yeah, why the fuck would I lie about it? I wish it was a lie and in fact I was making 60k. Also, I spoke with my architects (or former architects) friends and they were either making similar money, or slightly more... I was comparing my earnings with Archinect salary pool as well (doesn't work now, don't know why) and I was between mid and low echelon, closer to mid. I have also foreign degree and that might be a factor, when I got this job I was in US for barely 2 years. 60-70k are making here people with 5-10 years of experience from what I know from people - not internet
OddArchitect
Nov 5, 19 4:47 pm
Archlandia, ah now I get it. You're just bad a words.
Archlandia
Nov 7, 19 4:45 pm
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
Everyday Architect
Nov 7, 19 8:05 pm
Archlandia, you're not. I followed you the whole way through just fine.
betonbrut
Nov 5, 19 2:38 pm
Design-Build firms often pay more than traditional architecture firms. This is mostly because their business model is more like a General Contractor's than an Architect.... and construction pays better than design/engineering...
I am a licensed Architect working in a preconstruction role for a large general contractor in an urban market. I have 15 years of experience (combination of traditional architecture practice and general contractor) and make significantly more than my peers who have stayed in more traditional architectural practices.
The major difference between architecture firms and general contractors as it pertains to business model and ability to make an actual profit is: a. GCs have assets (for the bonding company) b. generally operate with much higher % profit than A/E firms c. annual revenue for GCs is typically much higher than A/E Firms
Working for a GC isn't for everyone... but you typically get better pay...
athensarch
Nov 5, 19 3:10 pm
What role do you have? Precon manager? I’d love to pick your brain. I’m 8yrs out of school, 3 in CM.
betonbrut
Nov 5, 19 3:31 pm
Yeah... precon manager.. design manager... depends on the day of the week and the job!!
przemula
Nov 7, 19 9:55 am
Thanks betonbrut. That was helpful and those are the kind of responses that are hard to find on Google
chi-arc
Nov 5, 19 2:47 pm
betonbrut, can you elaborate on "Working for a GC isn't for everyone"?
betonbrut
Nov 5, 19 3:32 pm
job trailers vs. offices... sanicans vs. running water... focused on building the job vs. designing it... it goes on and on... Ask yourself what you like about working in an architectural office and then visit a job site and ask the same questions...
OddArchitect
Nov 5, 19 4:48 pm
Don't forget that job site = weather.
whistler
Nov 6, 19 4:40 pm
good luck getting a year end bonus from an architectural firm.
Non Sequitur
Nov 6, 19 4:58 pm
we do... as do most of my other colleagues.
atelier nobody
Nov 6, 19 5:49 pm
Firms I've worked at have been about 50/50 on bonuses.
I'm not very experienced yet (2 years in professional office) and trying to figure out how exactly this industry works, so I have a question to fellow architects here.
As my performance review is coming up, I started exploring other options and wanted to send couple of resumes here and there to test waters.
I work in small office in larger midwest city, we do mostly high-end residential projects, or just residential. As I was looking for job offers, I noticed that for positions like mine (unlicensed architectural associate/designer/drafter/you name it) suburban design-built firms are willing to pay more... Is this a thing, or I'm looking at it wrong? My market value according to glassdoor is around 46k$, I'm getting paid 45k$ currently and have a performance review in 2 months, where I'm expecting salary raise, but obviously nothing big, probably another 2-5k. I've seen offers from design-built firms that were ready to pay 50-60k$ for position like mine, while offers in the city has always significantly lower pay. Can someone explain me the difference between pay (and maybe character of work too) in city architecture firm vs suburban design-built company?
Thanks
Look up *Design-Build* on the internet and you'll find more than you need to know.
Don’t trust Glassdoor. The figures on there are outdated and consistently lower than market rate (at least in New England).
What region in Midwest? I don’t have the city by city breakout, but the AIA salary calculator, which is also outdated, suggests you’re slightly underpaid unless your total comp (bonus, profit sharing etc) is generous.
Archlandia - I already tried and now wanted to get some first-hand feedback.
Athensarch - Chicago. I'm aware that I'm underpaid and wanted to bring it up on upcoming review, however every time I see an offer in a city with pay info... I'm not impressed.
As a young designer 2-3 years experience in a reputable firm in Chicago... you should be making $55k at the minimum and not afraid to ask for that... or more.
I don't believe you, but whatever. If you want to know what you should be getting paid this is a great starting point http://info.aia.org/salary/
Well the link you referenced shows an average salary for an intern level 1 at $59.5k for the OP's area.
Chad correct. 'tis the OP I don't believe, not the architecture anonymity individual.
OK, but why would the OP lie about a low salary? Seriously, what benefit am I missing?
You're over-thinking this: They don't know what design-build is > I suggested they do some actual research > they said they already did > I don't believe that they did based on their response. Fin.
Yeah, why the fuck would I lie about it? I wish it was a lie and in fact I was making 60k. Also, I spoke with my architects (or former architects) friends and they were either making similar money, or slightly more... I was comparing my earnings with Archinect salary pool as well (doesn't work now, don't know why) and I was between mid and low echelon, closer to mid. I have also foreign degree and that might be a factor, when I got this job I was in US for barely 2 years. 60-70k are making here people with 5-10 years of experience from what I know from people - not internet
Archlandia, ah now I get it. You're just bad a words.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
Archlandia, you're not. I followed you the whole way through just fine.
Design-Build firms often pay more than traditional architecture firms. This is mostly because their business model is more like a General Contractor's than an Architect.... and construction pays better than design/engineering...
I am a licensed Architect working in a preconstruction role for a large general contractor in an urban market. I have 15 years of experience (combination of traditional architecture practice and general contractor) and make significantly more than my peers who have stayed in more traditional architectural practices.
The major difference between architecture firms and general contractors as it pertains to business model and ability to make an actual profit is:
a. GCs have assets (for the bonding company)
b. generally operate with much higher % profit than A/E firms
c. annual revenue for GCs is typically much higher than A/E Firms
Working for a GC isn't for everyone... but you typically get better pay...
What role do you have? Precon manager? I’d love to pick your brain. I’m 8yrs out of school, 3 in CM.
Yeah... precon manager.. design manager... depends on the day of the week and the job!!
Thanks betonbrut. That was helpful and those are the kind of responses that are hard to find on Google
betonbrut, can you elaborate on "Working for a GC isn't for everyone"?
job trailers vs. offices... sanicans vs. running water... focused on building the job vs. designing it... it goes on and on... Ask yourself what you like about working in an architectural office and then visit a job site and ask the same questions...
Don't forget that job site = weather.
good luck getting a year end bonus from an architectural firm.
we do... as do most of my other colleagues.
Firms I've worked at have been about 50/50 on bonuses.
There's a thread for that https://archinect.com/forum/thread/150100167/year-end-bonuses
I do as well, but it was never a thing when I worked for others nor was it common with my associates and other colleagues.