I have been tossing the idea of a house in the shape of a octagon with a courtyard in the centre. the problem is that you would have to go to the central stair case in the north trapezoid to access either of the floors, so if you are on the opposite side of the house, you have to walk all around the building just to go to the same room on the floor below. I could add a spiral stair case in every corner of the house, but that is expensive, and you would have to design the rooms to work around them. Another idea is to have two U shaped staircases with a landing at the bend to open the space, between two trapezoids, symmetrically place on both side of the octagon, but the idea seems to be to forced and not a natural progression of the building. for the same reason, i don't feel that a spiral stair case would fit naturally in a trapezoid. to help visualise the floor plan, each trapezoid has a function. The southern most trapezoid is the gate house, allowing a car to drive under neath and to the garage directly to the right ( the south-east trapezoid). The eastern most trapezoid is the master suite and bath (the entire second floor is designated to the bedroom while the ground floor is for the master bath and hallway between the garage and next trapezoid.). the next trapezoid (moving in a counter clock ways direction) is the living room with a second floor balcony looking down from the entire perimeter of the trapezoid. the north most trapezoid is the "grand entry" where the central staircase is located (this is the only room in the house with a circular design as the roof is made to be a dome and the stair case hugs the wall moving from the sides to the centre (like a horseshoe at a 45 degree angle) and to a balcony that leads to both sides of the dome and into the next trapezoid to give the entry a open atmosphere.). the trapezoid to the left is the kitchen with a mirrored layout to the living room. the kitchen set is on the outer wall and the dinning table is in the centre. the western most trapezoid are the two second floor bedrooms and the ground floor bathroom. the last trapezoid is the pool room/atrium. Both the garage and the pool room have a second floor balcony. the second floor of the gate house is used as a "bridge" between the south west/east trapezoids). i could describe the home in greater detail if requested. I may post pictures at a later time. if anyone could spitball with me, i would appreciate any input.
Volunteer
Jun 8, 18 8:33 pm
Thomas Jefferson's Popular Forest:
ToddBomb
Jun 8, 18 8:42 pm
Not a bad suggestion, however this design forces you to design around the stairs. and just if their was confusion, the centre is a open air courtyard, also in a octagon design. i would also like to keep the stairs as a interior element to keep the lines of the building clean.
Miles Jaffe
Jun 8, 18 11:46 pm
'Staircase' is one word.
ToddBomb
Jun 9, 18 12:30 am
just a typo, lol
ToddBomb
Jun 9, 18 12:31 am
a often repeated typo, lol
randomised
Jun 9, 18 4:59 am
*an often repeated typo
Wilma Buttfit
Jun 10, 18 10:08 am
Oft repeated
randomised
Jun 10, 18 12:47 pm
oft-repeated...had to look it up, thanks for that one :)
todd-bomb
Jun 10, 18 6:03 pm
and the grammar police are still hot in their investigations.
randomised
Jun 9, 18 4:55 am
Skip the stairs, just go for spiralling stepped floors.
where would you put this, or how would you implement this into the structure?
randomised
Jun 11, 18 4:07 am
It would be the entire building, not some minor appendix here or there
Koww
Jun 9, 18 8:17 pm
chutes and ladders
todd-bomb
Jun 9, 18 8:29 pm
fun children's game, not so much for a home.
Non Sequitur
Jun 10, 18 10:59 am
I'm surprised this is not a mobius strip concept using shipping containers.
todd-bomb
Jun 10, 18 3:03 pm
it could be, if you want to platy around with it
todd-bomb
Jun 10, 18 3:12 pm
*play
Miles Jaffe
Jun 10, 18 12:06 pm
A hypercube is the obvious solution.
todd-bomb
Jun 10, 18 3:11 pm
its an interesting one, but i cant find a solution using a hypercube. how would you make it work?
Volunteer
Jun 10, 18 3:26 pm
Run a loggia along the inside of the courtyard along three or so sides on the top and bottom stories. Have one of the stairs go from the top to the bottom loggia.
Miles Jaffe
Jun 10, 18 5:55 pm
Another solution.
todd-bomb
Jun 10, 18 6:02 pm
obviously but why follow a cliche?
Non Sequitur
Jun 10, 18 6:10 pm
Fitting a house into a simple geometric form is a cliche. Focus on creating a good design rather than sticking to a shape.
todd-bomb
Jun 10, 18 6:26 pm
i wouldn't call a octagon either simple or cliche. a mobius circle would be a truly fun design, but its not practical for a home. and i think the picture was was meant as a joke but i could be wrong.
todd-bomb
Jun 10, 18 8:17 pm
so after staring at a octagon for several days, the solution that i have arrived at myself is to place stairs in the north east/west corners on the south east/west trapezoids respectively. the ground floor landing is hugging the wall to the adjacent trapezoid, leading to a landing, goes up the courtyard wall to end on the balcony. making for a total of three staircases. if anyone has a better or a fun idea they think would be interesting, i would be glad to read them. thank you everybody who has made a suggestion. even you,Miles Jaffe.
Volunteer
Jun 11, 18 8:10 am
I think you should put the stairs in the north/west corner of the south/east trapezoid and connect it to the northeast trapezoid by a catwalk across the courtyard. Not to be confused by the elevator in the northwest trapezoid that goes to the roof. Unless it doesn't.
Non Sequitur
Jun 11, 18 8:26 am
And from the roof, have a slide that drops dead-centre into the pool inside the octagon courtyard.
OneLostArchitect
Jun 11, 18 12:18 pm
am I high?
Rusty!
Jun 11, 18 12:24 pm
Nah, we are just trying to help someone fail second year studio. This project has a lot going for it in the right direction for total failure. It just needs a final nudge.
citizen
Jun 11, 18 2:54 pm
And based on experience: Yes, you're high.
citizen
Jun 11, 18 2:53 pm
WWUFCD?
I think the stair's off to the side somewhere.
tduds
Jun 11, 18 6:59 pm
I now understand the saying "A picture is worth a thousand words"
Let's see some floorplans toddy boy.
futurich
Jun 15, 18 12:39 am
University of Illinois at U-C Aces Library
futurich
Jun 15, 18 12:41 am
adding this one too!
Archlandia
Jun 21, 18 2:19 am
Why stairs? Follow Michael Maltzan on Pittman Dowell Residence. I think it’s a septagonal building, but same idea.
I have been tossing the idea of a house in the shape of a octagon with a courtyard in the centre. the problem is that you would have to go to the central stair case in the north trapezoid to access either of the floors, so if you are on the opposite side of the house, you have to walk all around the building just to go to the same room on the floor below. I could add a spiral stair case in every corner of the house, but that is expensive, and you would have to design the rooms to work around them. Another idea is to have two U shaped staircases with a landing at the bend to open the space, between two trapezoids, symmetrically place on both side of the octagon, but the idea seems to be to forced and not a natural progression of the building. for the same reason, i don't feel that a spiral stair case would fit naturally in a trapezoid. to help visualise the floor plan, each trapezoid has a function. The southern most trapezoid is the gate house, allowing a car to drive under neath and to the garage directly to the right ( the south-east trapezoid). The eastern most trapezoid is the master suite and bath (the entire second floor is designated to the bedroom while the ground floor is for the master bath and hallway between the garage and next trapezoid.). the next trapezoid (moving in a counter clock ways direction) is the living room with a second floor balcony looking down from the entire perimeter of the trapezoid. the north most trapezoid is the "grand entry" where the central staircase is located (this is the only room in the house with a circular design as the roof is made to be a dome and the stair case hugs the wall moving from the sides to the centre (like a horseshoe at a 45 degree angle) and to a balcony that leads to both sides of the dome and into the next trapezoid to give the entry a open atmosphere.). the trapezoid to the left is the kitchen with a mirrored layout to the living room. the kitchen set is on the outer wall and the dinning table is in the centre. the western most trapezoid are the two second floor bedrooms and the ground floor bathroom. the last trapezoid is the pool room/atrium. Both the garage and the pool room have a second floor balcony. the second floor of the gate house is used as a "bridge" between the south west/east trapezoids). i could describe the home in greater detail if requested. I may post pictures at a later time. if anyone could spitball with me, i would appreciate any input.
Thomas Jefferson's Popular Forest:
Not a bad suggestion, however this design forces you to design around the stairs. and just if their was confusion, the centre is a open air courtyard, also in a octagon design. i would also like to keep the stairs as a interior element to keep the lines of the building clean.
'Staircase' is one word.
just a typo, lol
a often repeated typo, lol
*an often repeated typo
Oft repeated
oft-repeated...had to look it up, thanks for that one :)
and the grammar police are still hot in their investigations.
Skip the stairs, just go for spiralling stepped floors.
do you have a example in mind?
https://www.dezeen.com/2009/10/30/spiral-house-by-powerhouse-company/
https://www.dezeen.com/2016/11/09/antonio-costa-lima-portugal-estoril-house-spiralling-walkway-courtyard/#/
https://www.designboom.com/arc...
where would you put this, or how would you implement this into the structure?
It would be the entire building, not some minor appendix here or there
chutes and ladders
fun children's game, not so much for a home.
I'm surprised this is not a mobius strip concept using shipping containers.
it could be, if you want to platy around with it
*play
A hypercube is the obvious solution.
its an interesting one, but i cant find a solution using a hypercube. how would you make it work?
Run a loggia along the inside of the courtyard along three or so sides on the top and bottom stories. Have one of the stairs go from the top to the bottom loggia.
Another solution.
obviously but why follow a cliche?
Fitting a house into a simple geometric form is a cliche. Focus on creating a good design rather than sticking to a shape.
i wouldn't call a octagon either simple or cliche. a mobius circle would be a truly fun design, but its not practical for a home. and i think the picture was was meant as a joke but i could be wrong.
so after staring at a octagon for several days, the solution that i have arrived at myself is to place stairs in the north east/west corners on the south east/west trapezoids respectively. the ground floor landing is hugging the wall to the adjacent trapezoid, leading to a landing, goes up the courtyard wall to end on the balcony. making for a total of three staircases. if anyone has a better or a fun idea they think would be interesting, i would be glad to read them. thank you everybody who has made a suggestion. even you,Miles Jaffe.
I think you should put the stairs in the north/west corner of the south/east trapezoid and connect it to the northeast trapezoid by a catwalk across the courtyard. Not to be confused by the elevator in the northwest trapezoid that goes to the roof. Unless it doesn't.
And from the roof, have a slide that drops dead-centre into the pool inside the octagon courtyard.
am I high?
Nah, we are just trying to help someone fail second year studio. This project has a lot going for it in the right direction for total failure. It just needs a final nudge.
And based on experience: Yes, you're high.
WWUFCD?
I think the stair's off to the side somewhere.
I now understand the saying "A picture is worth a thousand words"
Let's see some floorplans toddy boy.
University of Illinois at U-C Aces Library
adding this one too!
Why stairs? Follow Michael Maltzan on Pittman Dowell Residence. I think it’s a septagonal building, but same idea.