First of all, i'm not an architect.... I work for a company that supplies digital map content to car companies called HERE technologies
We are creating a solution that will allow car drivers to receive turn by turn navigation directions within large complicated indoor structures such as multi-story car parks and then allow a smooth transition to pedestrian routing to eventual destination. Eventually, with the cooperation of the car park operator, we will be able to navigate a driver directly to a pre-paid, available parking space.
I'm reaching out to any architectural firms that might hold detailed CAD drawings of multi-story car parks anywhere in Western Europe, showing the location of individual parking spaces, specialist parking bays and the layout of the internal road networks who might be willing to provide these drawings to HERE to allow us to create this solution.
My understanding from other threads on this forum is that architects own these CAD drawings so have the right to share them with third parties but perhaps this is not correct? Any feedback appreciated.
Thanks,
archinine
Sep 15, 17 1:02 pm
The owner of the building or car park owns the drawings once the building is complete. Not the architect. That said you may not even need to contact owners, though you probably should in order to properly coordinate this pay-reserve system which will require some on the ground logistics. Most buildings are filed on public record and the municipality should have the as built permit drawings on file. This varies by country and city though. They're usually hard copy format only and you may need to have a reason or pay a fee to access them. The easiest route is to ask the owner if they want this system in place and request their drawings.
The logistics of this operation seem pretty daunting. Hopefully you're charging a fortune for these reserved spots so as to turn a profit.
Miles Jaffe
Sep 15, 17 1:27 pm
If someone can't navigate a car park without digital assistance they probably shouldn't be driving in the first place.
Donna Sink
Sep 15, 17 1:28 pm
oH, mILES! gREAT MINDS, BABE!
Miles Jaffe
Sep 15, 17 1:35 pm
Great minds think alike, fools seldom differ.
alecbeale
Sep 18, 17 7:49 am
Those with mobility impairments may want to reserve a parking spot as to near to a pedestrian exit and/or elevator as possible. EV drivers want to park in spaces with chargers. SUV drivers want to park in wider spaces where they are available. Rather than have drivers circling the facility searching visually and adding to potential congestion problems, being able to route the user to the required space directly can only be a positive surely? Detailed CAD drawings of these facilities is the first step towards that being possible. Some people are more spatially aware than others, some need help and some don't.
Thanks to archinine for your helpful input!
Miles Jaffe
Sep 18, 17 8:41 am
Whether you're looking at signage or a digital map, it is still visual. Location and direction are conveyed far more accurately and directly by (proper) signage without distracting the driver. Digital aids are a poor solution to compensating for bad signage. GPS caused car accidents are becoming a big issue in the UK and the US.
alecbeale
Sep 18, 17 9:08 am
Signage can't adapt to real-time situations such as space availability (unless they are digital signs of course!) and signage in reality tends to degrade over time without maintenance, which is an additional cost for car park operators to maintain. Trying to provide physical signs for all things of interest creates roadside clutter, leading to the potential for more accidents. Accidents related to GPS may be increasing, most likely due to the increased prevalence of the technology but it's proven that GPS utilized through embedded in-car infotainment systems provide a safer way to use the technology than mobile phones attached to windscreens. That is the way HERE maps present this solution, as part of an embedded system.
Donna Sink
Sep 15, 17 1:28 pm
iF SOMEONE ISN 'T SMART AND SKILLED ENOUGH TO NAVIGATE A PARKING GARAGE ON THEIR OWN i'M NOT SURE i WANT THEM OPERATING A 3,000 POUND VEHICLE.
jUST A THOUGHT.
(Oops CADding.)
Non Sequitur
Sep 15, 17 1:55 pm
gREAT ONE!
Non Sequitur
Sep 15, 17 1:57 pm
There is a newish massive single storey car park in my city that I use often. It spans a few city blocks but every stall has little occupancy sensor lights. You can literally see every available spots for several aisle. No need for fancy digital guides.
First of all, i'm not an architect.... I work for a company that supplies digital map content to car companies called HERE technologies
We are creating a solution that will allow car drivers to receive turn by turn navigation directions within large complicated indoor structures such as multi-story car parks and then allow a smooth transition to pedestrian routing to eventual destination. Eventually, with the cooperation of the car park operator, we will be able to navigate a driver directly to a pre-paid, available parking space.
I'm reaching out to any architectural firms that might hold detailed CAD drawings of multi-story car parks anywhere in Western Europe, showing the location of individual parking spaces, specialist parking bays and the layout of the internal road networks who might be willing to provide these drawings to HERE to allow us to create this solution.
My understanding from other threads on this forum is that architects own these CAD drawings so have the right to share them with third parties but perhaps this is not correct? Any feedback appreciated.
Thanks,
The owner of the building or car park owns the drawings once the building is complete. Not the architect. That said you may not even need to contact owners, though you probably should in order to properly coordinate this pay-reserve system which will require some on the ground logistics. Most buildings are filed on public record and the municipality should have the as built permit drawings on file. This varies by country and city though. They're usually hard copy format only and you may need to have a reason or pay a fee to access them. The easiest route is to ask the owner if they want this system in place and request their drawings.
The logistics of this operation seem pretty daunting. Hopefully you're charging a fortune for these reserved spots so as to turn a profit.
If someone can't navigate a car park without digital assistance they probably shouldn't be driving in the first place.
oH, mILES! gREAT MINDS, BABE!
Great minds think alike, fools seldom differ.
Those with mobility impairments may want to reserve a parking spot as to near to a pedestrian exit and/or elevator as possible. EV drivers want to park in spaces with chargers. SUV drivers want to park in wider spaces where they are available. Rather than have drivers circling the facility searching visually and adding to potential congestion problems, being able to route the user to the required space directly can only be a positive surely? Detailed CAD drawings of these facilities is the first step towards that being possible. Some people are more spatially aware than others, some need help and some don't. Thanks to archinine for your helpful input!
Whether you're looking at signage or a digital map, it is still visual. Location and direction are conveyed far more accurately and directly by (proper) signage without distracting the driver. Digital aids are a poor solution to compensating for bad signage. GPS caused car accidents are becoming a big issue in the UK and the US.
Signage can't adapt to real-time situations such as space availability (unless they are digital signs of course!) and signage in reality tends to degrade over time without maintenance, which is an additional cost for car park operators to maintain. Trying to provide physical signs for all things of interest creates roadside clutter, leading to the potential for more accidents. Accidents related to GPS may be increasing, most likely due to the increased prevalence of the technology but it's proven that GPS utilized through embedded in-car infotainment systems provide a safer way to use the technology than mobile phones attached to windscreens. That is the way HERE maps present this solution, as part of an embedded system.
iF SOMEONE ISN 'T SMART AND SKILLED ENOUGH TO NAVIGATE A PARKING GARAGE ON THEIR OWN i'M NOT SURE i WANT THEM OPERATING A 3,000 POUND VEHICLE.
jUST A THOUGHT.
(Oops CADding.)
gREAT ONE!
There is a newish massive single storey car park in my city that I use often. It spans a few city blocks but every stall has little occupancy sensor lights. You can literally see every available spots for several aisle. No need for fancy digital guides.