just because state colleges in NYS will become free, doesn't mean everyone is entitled to going to college. Everyone who is good enough is entitled to go to college. Opinions are welcome...
offobject
Apr 11, 17 7:22 pm
Plenty of countries all over the world have free tuition and it works out.
I believe education is a right.
You think this means schools won't be competitive? On the contrary it might mean even more competition to get into certain programs. But it eliminates the need to have vast amounts of money to have the opportunity. Seems like a good thing to me...
Wilma Buttfit
Apr 11, 17 7:42 pm
I always said if degrees were free I'd have a dozen of them just for fun. Maybe my wish will come true.
Wilma Buttfit
Apr 12, 17 2:42 am
And to address your question, there is no reason to think free tuition will make it less competitive. It will make it more diverse, mid-careers and retirees can go back to school and show the 19 and 20 year olds up.
empea
Apr 12, 17 12:17 am
Bulgar - who ever said anything to the contrary? Tuition free educational systems are no less competitive. It's just that the ability to pay isn't a variable in the admissions process. If anything that makes them more competitive.
Wilma Buttfit
Apr 12, 17 9:00 am
You have to graduate in 4 years too. Since nobody can graduate on time anymore it should cull the herd of those receiving said freebie tuition significantly. The scholarship then turns into a loan that must be repaid.
Wilma Buttfit
Apr 12, 17 9:01 am
I didn't find if the free tuition is only for first baccalaureate programs or not...
b3tadine[sutures]
Apr 12, 17 9:02 am
Good enough? Italics? Are you sure about that?
Marc Miller
Apr 12, 17 3:42 pm
"Good enough" is a very old conversation in the SUNY system.
As an undergrad from one of the university centers, I recall the conversations about trying ensure the caliber of the students through while the university made sure that that education was open to as many as possible. It was their effort that determined their placement subsequent years.
Oddly enough, I knew more students that were "good enough" that dropped out versus those students who were initially perceived as burdens that completed their degrees.
Not to mention they do a similar thing with schools in Canada and it doesn't seem to be a problem?
Bench
Apr 13, 17 10:39 am
Marc - What is the "Good enough" conversation? Some sort of specific set of values in the admissions process?
Marc Miller
Apr 13, 17 11:15 am
Back then the good enough conversation was all about who should be admitted. There was (is?) a time when a few of the university centers were seen to be competitive with some of the more highly regarded private institutions without the high tuition burden.
Needless to say there were a lot of people from across the state that didn't want students from the wrong parts of the state attending fearing they would sully "their" brand- because they weren't good enough.
x-jla
Apr 13, 17 11:19 am
How can one judge if an 18-19 yo hs grad is "good enough"? I did terrible in hs...then graduated college with a 4.0 gpa...there is no real metric to judge at that age.
dsc_arch
Apr 17, 17 10:37 am
As the axiom goes:
"b" students work for "c" students; "a" students teach...
or:
Past performance is not indicative of future results...
PS: I have had two valedictorians of their HS work for me...
just because state colleges in NYS will become free, doesn't mean everyone is entitled to going to college. Everyone who is good enough is entitled to go to college. Opinions are welcome...
Plenty of countries all over the world have free tuition and it works out.
I believe education is a right.
You think this means schools won't be competitive? On the contrary it might mean even more competition to get into certain programs. But it eliminates the need to have vast amounts of money to have the opportunity. Seems like a good thing to me...
I always said if degrees were free I'd have a dozen of them just for fun. Maybe my wish will come true.
And to address your question, there is no reason to think free tuition will make it less competitive. It will make it more diverse, mid-careers and retirees can go back to school and show the 19 and 20 year olds up.
Bulgar - who ever said anything to the contrary? Tuition free educational systems are no less competitive. It's just that the ability to pay isn't a variable in the admissions process. If anything that makes them more competitive.
You have to graduate in 4 years too. Since nobody can graduate on time anymore it should cull the herd of those receiving said freebie tuition significantly. The scholarship then turns into a loan that must be repaid.
I didn't find if the free tuition is only for first baccalaureate programs or not...
Good enough? Italics? Are you sure about that?
"Good enough" is a very old conversation in the SUNY system.
As an undergrad from one of the university centers, I recall the conversations about trying ensure the caliber of the students through while the university made sure that that education was open to as many as possible. It was their effort that determined their placement subsequent years.
Oddly enough, I knew more students that were "good enough" that dropped out versus those students who were initially perceived as burdens that completed their degrees.
Not to mention they do a similar thing with schools in Canada and it doesn't seem to be a problem?
Marc - What is the "Good enough" conversation? Some sort of specific set of values in the admissions process?
Back then the good enough conversation was all about who should be admitted. There was (is?) a time when a few of the university centers were seen to be competitive with some of the more highly regarded private institutions without the high tuition burden.
Needless to say there were a lot of people from across the state that didn't want students from the wrong parts of the state attending fearing they would sully "their" brand- because they weren't good enough.
How can one judge if an 18-19 yo hs grad is "good enough"? I did terrible in hs...then graduated college with a 4.0 gpa...there is no real metric to judge at that age.
As the axiom goes:
"b" students work for "c" students; "a" students teach...
or:
Past performance is not indicative of future results...
PS: I have had two valedictorians of their HS work for me...