The word on the street is - if you took the building super position at 432 Park Ave you'd get a $250k salary for 24/7 indentured servitude for people who check in 4 times a year and their assistants 36 times a year for an art gallery called a fucking condo!
16 feet shorter than the EMPIRE STATE building, mind you...
Empires on Persian rugs over finely crafted, relocated old world wood flooring into a modern box of cash.....casting shadows over Central Park is the definition of Power bitches.
Olaf did tell you to put your money there.
Way to go VInoly, a man known for turning his private Jet around to make a design change and for working anyone to death at a decent salary....don't leave before 7pm you slackers - we can all see you from our open desks!
A Canadian and I laughed our asses off walking by the underpaid shop workers in the basement of Vinoly's office, once or twice.....thanks for not hiring me ;)
damn them Canadians and all their social welfare!
Did anyone notice that white collars get fucked as much as blue collars? sometimes it's better to work with your hands, no?
Why do the French always make a confirmation with a NO inquiry?
The illusion of White Collardhood was you could be one of them!
/\ 1968 my ass? Yeah, you were totally there, dumpster diving with the plebes!
You work your balls off into maximum debt inservitude for what? a fancy pants architect doodling for rich people and underpaying rich people's children to intern for a good name on their resume!
White collar is working class - you fools. [this would be my point]
Your brain is your hands. Your hands are their tools. You give them up in exchange for consumer freedom.
NOT freedom, just the freedom to earn to consume....so it's an exchange.....when does the illusion happen, when do you turn your thinking into CASH, is that when you become delusional and convinced you are one up on every other person on this planet!
God Bless America and the people we Elect! Trump is more revolutionary than you think, he may have to negotiate with the rest of us.
i'm moving off the grid and now I'm a security threat! (i posted the statement so get your panties out of a bind, no bigger fool than an agent of spydom, spies are stupid people anyway, that's why they spy, duh!)
What are the bargaining chips!
You don't break your back, so you break your mind!
You don't break your back, so you break your soul!
i kind of thought this was an unsuccessful ramble but its panning out quite nicely.................I like where rob_c was heading with the Entrpeneur bit and nice qoute sideman.........unamano, are you an Archinect regular causing trouble under another name? its not eocket science to digure out Olaf' s creator, it appears though if you do not know how use google it would be a challenge..... to be Frank wright about it the poor discussion isnt all that interesting - sideman's point is a lot more interesting. tallking about being unfortunate (poor) has its benefits, but thats not the problem is it?
awaiting_deletion
Aug 31, 15 6:33 pm
based on sideman's qoute, would Airbnb, Uber, kickstarter, etc.....be todays equivalent of an American past? and holy shit if that is what Trumps hats mean! hahaha schemerkon of cnn or whatever your name is, how you like them apples?
awaiting_deletion
Aug 31, 15 6:40 pm
so Unamano I use the google and Friedrich Nietzsche say about 'greed' - Possessions are usually diminished by possession...................
curtkram
Aug 31, 15 8:20 pm
was that.....
was that....
phil donahue?
Miles Jaffe
Aug 31, 15 8:27 pm
Can anyone define what is a greed?
Taking more than you need. Not sharing. Negotiating every transaction. Taking what isn't yours. Putting yourself ahead of everyone else.
I am sure Miles and even Olaf grew up in nice suburbs.
Not that it's any of your business, but to correct your blatant stupidity and ignorant asumptions: I lived in a closet in my fathers office at 125 East 80th St. That was after we moved out of the office he shared with another architect where we slept on a fold-out couch.
Sorrowful Giuseppe
Sep 1, 15 7:56 am
I am very sorry if I offended anyone, It was not what I wanted.
as for those;
Taking more than you need
How does one know what one needs and who is that one who knows better what one needs?
Not sharing
Is there a moral obligation to share? and if it is one who makes sure how much should one share and who with?
Negotiating every transaction
It is one's right to do so
Taking what isn't yours
What is mine is mine, "I" don't take anything anyone's, I earn it, but I knew one social model, which you all admire here, that took many many things that belong to other people including their lives... (including my great grandparents lives)
Putting yourself ahead of everyone else
Sure, why shell one not putt him/herself ahead of everyone else?
curtkram
Sep 1, 15 10:46 am
so you just keep repeating 'what does greed mean?' until someone tells you it's ok for you to be greedy? presumably so you can feel good about yourself?
since you're putting yourself first, we'll all put ourselves ahead of you. what do you suppose that means in a community? we're free to take from you just as you think you're free to take from us, and we don't give a shit about you because you don't give a shit about us. that kind of makes you a bad person and you should feel bad.
a lot of us here really are decent people deep down, which means we work together to help each other prosper, even if it sometimes it means we don't get to take everything for ourselves, or if it means we may even make personal sacrifices for the benefit of other people.
awaiting_deletion
Sep 1, 15 11:22 am
possessions are usually diminished by possession......thats Nietzsche Unamano and what precedes it as illustrative text on why humans rui every paradise they take over........to a philosopher Greed is a desire and a desire is an emotional urge. do all urges need to be fulfilled? and is fulfilling all urges happiness? and is happiness the goal of being a alive? the negativity that comes with the word greed is clear. beyond its social ramifications it can also be self-destructive.............btw which system are we admiring that killed your grandparents? this isnt clear.
JLC-1
Sep 1, 15 11:51 am
reactionary anger ingrained in a child to hate the soviet union = child grows up and advocates for greedy masters that don't love him as much as he loves money (and shiny things), child becomes a sour resented adult without any social connections or networks, isolates himself, goes off-grid.....still don't have any possessions, but would kill for your right to have anything you want at any cost. Not sure how this ends. sometimes the puppets are way worse than their masters, maybe it's by design.
Miles Jaffe
Sep 1, 15 12:56 pm
Greed is never satisfied.
Donna Sink
Sep 1, 15 1:23 pm
Is there a moral obligation to share? Yes, if one wants to be a member of a society, there is.
I'm reminded of two things: the very end of Tortilla Curtain by TC Boyle; I think the final line is "He held out his hand." or similar, it was incredibly moving.
And the same idea but in a very humorous way, George Costanza's frustrated screaming "You know we're living! in a society!" when a woman cuts in front of him to use the pay phone.
Volunteer
Sep 1, 15 2:15 pm
F. Scott Fitzgerald: "The rich are different from you and me.."
Ernest Hemingway: "Yes, they have more money."
Fitzgerald commenting on some mystical property the rich are supposed to have, and being brought to earth by Hemingway.
JeromeS
Sep 1, 15 3:04 pm
^^^Donna
I invoked Costanza once; I was at a baseball game, we were all patiently standing in line at a food vendor. An impatient woman, with two teen children in tow, sees the line yet moves right up to the Pick-Up window and somehow gets someone to begin take her order. I got heated up, proceeded to let her know where the line ended, if she wished to order: "Society has rules."
awaiting_deletion
Sep 1, 15 7:44 pm
jlc-1 so what does this angey person do while off the grid? lets sat you are off it long would you miss anything after a while?.............like walking out of a movie theatre into a mall, I imagine thats probably more like it?
What is the working class?
The word on the street is - if you took the building super position at 432 Park Ave you'd get a $250k salary for 24/7 indentured servitude for people who check in 4 times a year and their assistants 36 times a year for an art gallery called a fucking condo!
16 feet shorter than the EMPIRE STATE building, mind you...
Empires on Persian rugs over finely crafted, relocated old world wood flooring into a modern box of cash.....casting shadows over Central Park is the definition of Power bitches.
Olaf did tell you to put your money there.
Way to go VInoly, a man known for turning his private Jet around to make a design change and for working anyone to death at a decent salary....don't leave before 7pm you slackers - we can all see you from our open desks!
A Canadian and I laughed our asses off walking by the underpaid shop workers in the basement of Vinoly's office, once or twice.....thanks for not hiring me ;)
damn them Canadians and all their social welfare!
Did anyone notice that white collars get fucked as much as blue collars? sometimes it's better to work with your hands, no?
Why do the French always make a confirmation with a NO inquiry?
The illusion of White Collardhood was you could be one of them!
/\ 1968 my ass? Yeah, you were totally there, dumpster diving with the plebes!
You work your balls off into maximum debt inservitude for what? a fancy pants architect doodling for rich people and underpaying rich people's children to intern for a good name on their resume!
White collar is working class - you fools. [this would be my point]
Your brain is your hands. Your hands are their tools. You give them up in exchange for consumer freedom.
NOT freedom, just the freedom to earn to consume....so it's an exchange.....when does the illusion happen, when do you turn your thinking into CASH, is that when you become delusional and convinced you are one up on every other person on this planet!
God Bless America and the people we Elect! Trump is more revolutionary than you think, he may have to negotiate with the rest of us.
i'm moving off the grid and now I'm a security threat! (i posted the statement so get your panties out of a bind, no bigger fool than an agent of spydom, spies are stupid people anyway, that's why they spy, duh!)
What are the bargaining chips!
You don't break your back, so you break your mind!
You don't break your back, so you break your soul!
see date of map /\
Lebbeus Woods, Architect Who Bucked Convention, Dies at 72 By WILLIAM YARDLEYOCT. 31, 2012
go wank somewhere else
i kind of thought this was an unsuccessful ramble but its panning out quite nicely.................I like where rob_c was heading with the Entrpeneur bit and nice qoute sideman.........unamano, are you an Archinect regular causing trouble under another name? its not eocket science to digure out Olaf' s creator, it appears though if you do not know how use google it would be a challenge..... to be Frank wright about it the poor discussion isnt all that interesting - sideman's point is a lot more interesting. tallking about being unfortunate (poor) has its benefits, but thats not the problem is it?
based on sideman's qoute, would Airbnb, Uber, kickstarter, etc.....be todays equivalent of an American past? and holy shit if that is what Trumps hats mean! hahaha schemerkon of cnn or whatever your name is, how you like them apples?
so Unamano I use the google and Friedrich Nietzsche say about 'greed' - Possessions are usually diminished by possession...................
was that.....
was that....
phil donahue?
Can anyone define what is a greed?
Taking more than you need. Not sharing. Negotiating every transaction. Taking what isn't yours. Putting yourself ahead of everyone else.
I am sure Miles and even Olaf grew up in nice suburbs.
Not that it's any of your business, but to correct your blatant stupidity and ignorant asumptions: I lived in a closet in my fathers office at 125 East 80th St. That was after we moved out of the office he shared with another architect where we slept on a fold-out couch.
I am very sorry if I offended anyone, It was not what I wanted.
as for those;
Taking more than you need
How does one know what one needs and who is that one who knows better what one needs?
Not sharing
Is there a moral obligation to share? and if it is one who makes sure how much should one share and who with?
Negotiating every transaction
It is one's right to do so
Taking what isn't yours
What is mine is mine, "I" don't take anything anyone's, I earn it, but I knew one social model, which you all admire here, that took many many things that belong to other people including their lives... (including my great grandparents lives)
Putting yourself ahead of everyone else
Sure, why shell one not putt him/herself ahead of everyone else?
so you just keep repeating 'what does greed mean?' until someone tells you it's ok for you to be greedy? presumably so you can feel good about yourself?
since you're putting yourself first, we'll all put ourselves ahead of you. what do you suppose that means in a community? we're free to take from you just as you think you're free to take from us, and we don't give a shit about you because you don't give a shit about us. that kind of makes you a bad person and you should feel bad.
a lot of us here really are decent people deep down, which means we work together to help each other prosper, even if it sometimes it means we don't get to take everything for ourselves, or if it means we may even make personal sacrifices for the benefit of other people.
possessions are usually diminished by possession......thats Nietzsche Unamano and what precedes it as illustrative text on why humans rui every paradise they take over........to a philosopher Greed is a desire and a desire is an emotional urge. do all urges need to be fulfilled? and is fulfilling all urges happiness? and is happiness the goal of being a alive? the negativity that comes with the word greed is clear. beyond its social ramifications it can also be self-destructive.............btw which system are we admiring that killed your grandparents? this isnt clear.
reactionary anger ingrained in a child to hate the soviet union = child grows up and advocates for greedy masters that don't love him as much as he loves money (and shiny things), child becomes a sour resented adult without any social connections or networks, isolates himself, goes off-grid.....still don't have any possessions, but would kill for your right to have anything you want at any cost. Not sure how this ends. sometimes the puppets are way worse than their masters, maybe it's by design.
Greed is never satisfied.
Is there a moral obligation to share? Yes, if one wants to be a member of a society, there is.
I'm reminded of two things: the very end of Tortilla Curtain by TC Boyle; I think the final line is "He held out his hand." or similar, it was incredibly moving.
And the same idea but in a very humorous way, George Costanza's frustrated screaming "You know we're living! in a society!" when a woman cuts in front of him to use the pay phone.
F. Scott Fitzgerald: "The rich are different from you and me.." Ernest Hemingway: "Yes, they have more money." Fitzgerald commenting on some mystical property the rich are supposed to have, and being brought to earth by Hemingway.
^^^Donna
I invoked Costanza once; I was at a baseball game, we were all patiently standing in line at a food vendor. An impatient woman, with two teen children in tow, sees the line yet moves right up to the Pick-Up window and somehow gets someone to begin take her order. I got heated up, proceeded to let her know where the line ended, if she wished to order: "Society has rules."
jlc-1 so what does this angey person do while off the grid? lets sat you are off it long would you miss anything after a while?.............like walking out of a movie theatre into a mall, I imagine thats probably more like it?