I am referring to the opaque glass that he used in his design because I am looking for the name( if it has one in specifically), and I haven't found it.
and i believe jwl is right, the horizontal mullions are a result of height limitations.
Gregory Walker
Nov 26, 12 5:09 pm
unless he's switched manufacturer's, he's using the bendheim product. know for a fact since his project at cranbrook and one i was working on at u.mass were the first 2 in the u.s. to use their system and they were sending over reps from europe to work through the details with us both.
t a z
Nov 26, 12 9:32 pm
There's a Nelson Atkins wall section in this blog post:
The problem is glass block with out some sort of significant production/ material breakthrough is restricted by size and shape due to the nature of casting glass and the cooling process. The planer glass cools faster than the corners and when this happens it literally explodes. Renzo's Hermes store in Tokyo is the biggest glass block ever mass produced on a large scale. Seves an Italian company made the blocks. Also it's not self supporting and its environmental performance is crap. Anyways...there ought to be ways to achieve the same look with increased structural and performance qualities.
dmfoxe
Nov 27, 12 9:38 am
Keep in mind it is part of a much thicker wall section with two layers and much more conventional construction inside.
"Anyways...there ought to be ways to achieve the same look with increased structural and performance qualities." This is what passes for innovation nowadays, creating your own technological problem for the sake of looks. I have no problem with trying to design something cool, but it sort of undercuts the moral superiority of so many architects who look down on those who try to design for people rather than a magazine cover.
orion
Nov 29, 12 1:37 am
@ thayer-d, I meant using other existing technologies/ material with higher thermal performance and structural properties you could achieve a similar architectural look of glass block with out reinventing something that clearly has its limits. sorry for my poor writing but you're also quick to jump to conclusions given a few sentences about glass block...take it easy man.
Thayer-D
Nov 29, 12 8:22 am
orion, I'll try to reply with out making you think I'm taking off my shirt, so don't take this too personally. I know exactly what you ment, becasue you're earlier statement is clear. My point was this architect and many others go out of their way technologically and materially to achieve certain looks in complete contrast to how materials function best. It kind of undercuts the usual slams on traditional archtiecture as "nostalgic facades" when in actual material and technological performance they would blow this confection away.
It reminds me of a story I read about the empire state building. A typical modernist would say this stone clad deco/gothic skyscraper is a sham becasue as everyone knows, there's no way the stone walls aren't load bearing. Turns out it takes wind driven rain a lot longer to travel through stone cladding with cmu block backup. In those terms alone, it would seem the Empire State's cladding is technologically superior than many glass skyscrapers, to say nothing about the thermal qualities, and the fact that people tend to feel queasy against a glass wall 75 stories up.
My point is not to supress exploration of materials or aesthetics, I could care less what flavor icecream one likes, but if I'm going to make the best icecream, I might look at how best to combine natural ingredients rather than pine for the next Monsanto Corn Syrup product to create good ice cream. In that spirit, when you train archtiects with ideological blinders, you keep the most obvious solutions for whatever they might invent hidden in plain sight. I hope you don't read this comment as an angry screed, but rather just as a common sense inquary into a statement you posed, which was thought provoking. That's a compliment.
Marc Fink
Dec 3, 12 2:02 pm
Bendheim Wall Systems supplied Lamberts channel glass for Steven Holl's landmark Bloch Building, see the brochure from Lamberts at www.bendheimwall.com/pdf_other/Nelson-Atkins_Museum_of_Art_Bloch_Building.pdf. An image of the interior cavity can be seen at the wed site of Elliptipar, the lighting manufacturer, www.elliptipar.com/CaseStudies/ell_NelsonAtkins.pdf. Bendheim Wall Systems is proud to have also worked with Steven Holl Architects on Higgins Hall at Pratt Institute and the new Swiss Embassy residence. If you have questions about Bendheim Wall Systems or Lamberts channel glass, please call me at 973-330-3912 or 800-221-7379 X223. Thank you.
I am referring to the opaque glass that he used in his design because I am looking for the name( if it has one in specifically), and I haven't found it.
Pilkington Profilit
Bendheim Wall Systems/ Okalux
http://www.bendheimwall.com/project.cfm?project_id=120
http://www.okalux.de/en/oka-news/englisch/the-nelson-atkins-museum-of-art-citroen-flagship-store-capillary-systems-okaluxkapiluxokapane.html
it was only a matter of time before glass block made a comeback.
Is the thickness of the glass on those website? And, I also want to know about the frame.
Yes.
It's channel glass - No frame
there are top and bottom rails. In Holl's example you could say that cast glass channels are framed in structural steel.
I think that's a by-product of the height limitations
The "frame" is a variation of this detail: http://www.bendheimwall.com/popup-v60.htm
and i believe jwl is right, the horizontal mullions are a result of height limitations.
unless he's switched manufacturer's, he's using the bendheim product. know for a fact since his project at cranbrook and one i was working on at u.mass were the first 2 in the u.s. to use their system and they were sending over reps from europe to work through the details with us both.
There's a Nelson Atkins wall section in this blog post:
http://facadesconfidential.blogspot.com/2012/05/quest-for-thick-glazed-facades.html
The problem is glass block with out some sort of significant production/ material breakthrough is restricted by size and shape due to the nature of casting glass and the cooling process. The planer glass cools faster than the corners and when this happens it literally explodes. Renzo's Hermes store in Tokyo is the biggest glass block ever mass produced on a large scale. Seves an Italian company made the blocks. Also it's not self supporting and its environmental performance is crap. Anyways...there ought to be ways to achieve the same look with increased structural and performance qualities.
Keep in mind it is part of a much thicker wall section with two layers and much more conventional construction inside.
http://ad009cdnb.archdaily.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/778416345_14-detailed-section-lens-a.jpg
http://www.archdaily.com/4369/the-nelson-atkins-museum-of-art-steven-holl-architects/cdocuments-and-settingschristianedesktopnama-drawingswall/
"Anyways...there ought to be ways to achieve the same look with increased structural and performance qualities." This is what passes for innovation nowadays, creating your own technological problem for the sake of looks. I have no problem with trying to design something cool, but it sort of undercuts the moral superiority of so many architects who look down on those who try to design for people rather than a magazine cover.
@ thayer-d, I meant using other existing technologies/ material with higher thermal performance and structural properties you could achieve a similar architectural look of glass block with out reinventing something that clearly has its limits. sorry for my poor writing but you're also quick to jump to conclusions given a few sentences about glass block...take it easy man.
orion, I'll try to reply with out making you think I'm taking off my shirt, so don't take this too personally. I know exactly what you ment, becasue you're earlier statement is clear. My point was this architect and many others go out of their way technologically and materially to achieve certain looks in complete contrast to how materials function best. It kind of undercuts the usual slams on traditional archtiecture as "nostalgic facades" when in actual material and technological performance they would blow this confection away.
It reminds me of a story I read about the empire state building. A typical modernist would say this stone clad deco/gothic skyscraper is a sham becasue as everyone knows, there's no way the stone walls aren't load bearing. Turns out it takes wind driven rain a lot longer to travel through stone cladding with cmu block backup. In those terms alone, it would seem the Empire State's cladding is technologically superior than many glass skyscrapers, to say nothing about the thermal qualities, and the fact that people tend to feel queasy against a glass wall 75 stories up.
My point is not to supress exploration of materials or aesthetics, I could care less what flavor icecream one likes, but if I'm going to make the best icecream, I might look at how best to combine natural ingredients rather than pine for the next Monsanto Corn Syrup product to create good ice cream. In that spirit, when you train archtiects with ideological blinders, you keep the most obvious solutions for whatever they might invent hidden in plain sight. I hope you don't read this comment as an angry screed, but rather just as a common sense inquary into a statement you posed, which was thought provoking. That's a compliment.
Bendheim Wall Systems supplied Lamberts channel glass for Steven Holl's landmark Bloch Building, see the brochure from Lamberts at www.bendheimwall.com/pdf_other/Nelson-Atkins_Museum_of_Art_Bloch_Building.pdf. An image of the interior cavity can be seen at the wed site of Elliptipar, the lighting manufacturer, www.elliptipar.com/CaseStudies/ell_NelsonAtkins.pdf. Bendheim Wall Systems is proud to have also worked with Steven Holl Architects on Higgins Hall at Pratt Institute and the new Swiss Embassy residence. If you have questions about Bendheim Wall Systems or Lamberts channel glass, please call me at 973-330-3912 or 800-221-7379 X223. Thank you.
The name of this type of glass is U-Glass.