A while back, somebody here asked whether right-angles occur very often in nature ... i found that to be an intriguing question ... i could not find many and those mostly were in the world of crystals ... here are a few examples:
pyrite
pyrite crystals
pyrite crystals
table salt
flourite
anybody got any more ?
StudioWookie
Nov 25, 05 2:39 pm
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comb
Nov 25, 05 2:48 pm
StudioWookie: i think those are "right angles in cyberspace"
.
Nov 25, 05 2:53 pm
The right angle comes from man's upright posture, making him perpendicular to the ground plane, the spiritual intersection of the heavenly and earthbound.
Its also easier to fabricate and stack things at right angles.
Dymaxion
Nov 25, 05 3:00 pm
T-shape.
A molecular shape that results when there are 3 bonds and 2 lone pairs around the central atom in the molecule. The atoms bonded to the central atom lie at the ends of a "T" with 90° angles between them. ICl3 has a T-shaped molecular geometry.
file
Nov 25, 05 4:53 pm
do you consider "alien residue" as "naturally occurring" .... ?
G-bot
Nov 25, 05 10:37 pm
vectors and light rays
Carl Douglas (agfa8x)
Nov 25, 05 11:14 pm
Le Corbusier - Poeme a l'angle droit
silverlake
Nov 26, 05 12:05 am
Feldspar crystals
frankencense
Nov 26, 05 12:45 am
Hang a plumb-bob over a bowl of water.
Right angle every time.
StudioGhost
Nov 27, 05 1:00 am
a plumb bob isnt a part of nature. unless it's like a spider dropping down its thread or something i guess.
well i can't really come up with anything cept maybe if u look at the stars, there's bound to be some that are lined up to form right angles...
upside
Nov 27, 05 10:35 pm
ah, space isnt flat, so any stars that look like they are next to eachother are really at different distances. and they are all moving at differnent speeds in differnent directions, so its kinda unlikely.
not a right angle. but carbon60. buckminsterfullerene is very geometriclly regular.
StudioGhost
Nov 27, 05 11:01 pm
when u stand up, ur body is perpendicular to the ground?
norm
Nov 28, 05 4:06 pm
just because two objects are at right angles to each other doesn't make it a 90 degree angle found in nature - angles are a man-made construct - our way of interpreting something. 90 degree angles are inefficient and so are rare in nature. a great book that touches on this is "the self-made tapestry: pattern formation in nature" by michael ball. (or something close to that)
Manteno_Montenegro
Nov 28, 05 5:04 pm
Nature's patterns give me the creeps. I can't stand looking at the center of a sunflower, and those little black things in the sides of strawberrys and kiwi fruit make me uneasy. Same thing with the inside of another thing...what's it called...
(10 minutes later.)
Acorn squash I think it is.
nicomachean
Nov 28, 05 9:05 pm
trees
dia
Nov 28, 05 10:09 pm
So whats the point here? Don't design with right angles because they are not natural? Last time I looked, architecture wasnt natural...
Dazed and Confused
Nov 29, 05 12:23 am
c.k.
Nov 29, 05 12:35 am
dried mud cracking
tsq
Nov 29, 05 1:06 am
As frankencense's example of the plumb-bob illustrates, right angles do occur naturally though gravity, although seldomly visible outside the realms of man-made objects.
diabase: i think there are two potential points ...
a) it's kinda interesting, and
b) they're kinda rare ...
beyond that, there's no political or professional agenda (at least not for me)
besides, it's just fun to contemplate the question
myriam
Nov 29, 05 12:39 pm
These are six-sided natural shapes, not rectangles, but I feel like they might be fun to mention here:
i had this discussion a few times in ugrad with my friends, and minerals seemed to be the only thing we could come up with. only the most simple elements in nature take on such simple forms. perhaps we are all just very simple minded.
le bossman
Nov 29, 05 12:57 pm
richardtaylor
Nov 29, 05 1:02 pm
My friend showed me a chunk of rock with pyrite crystals embedded into it, and I was 100% convinced that it was a hoax. The cubes look so unnatural...
My guess is that nature found them cheaper to build, and easier to hang pictures on.
joek ... here's a few photos of bracket fungus sized better for this site:
cool find .... !
liberty bell
Nov 29, 05 11:28 pm
garpike: Doesn't the water's surface follow the curve of the earth? I never thought of this. My drink of water and bowl of cereal are domes at the top surface!
Yes, that's right. I remember discussing this in school once, related to the fact that though we may draw a concrete slab as perfectly planar it actually isn't, when you adjust for the earth's curved surface.
And I love the notion of connecting yourself to the universe every morning through contemplating the curvature of the surface of your cup of coffee. Good morning!
comb
Nov 30, 05 1:51 pm
hmmmm ... seems to me the ancient Greeks knew a thing or two about this curvature-of-the-earth thing and the verticality of columns ....
distant
Dec 3, 05 4:24 pm
recognizing that this isn't necessarily a naturally occurring thing, but an invention of man ... nevertheless ...
"Consider now the triangle on the surface of the Earth, made up of the equator, the line of 0 degrees longitude through London, and the line of 90 degrees longtitude east, through Bangladesh. The two lines of longitude, meet the equator at a right angle, 90 degrees. The two lines of longitude also meet each other at the north pole, at a right angle, or 90 degrees."
comb, actually didn't the Greeks do that to give the Parthenon a more ominous perspectival effect? Kind of cartoony.
silverlake
Dec 4, 05 7:52 pm
mies' national gallery roof is spherical for the same reason...
landonshivers
Sep 13, 18 4:23 am
I just came across this thread somehow. What about honeycombs, spiderwebs, snowflakes, and the scutes on a turtle shell? Maybe not a perfect right angle, but polygonal for sure. Am I mistaken?
nugbase
Apr 2, 19 8:44 pm
The reason you will not encounter 90 degree angles in nature is due to deconstructive energy. Non-destructive, perfect compression, perfect nesting, perfect embedding waves are achieved through a spiraling vortex with Golden Ratio proportions. Phen Shui is correct, nothing that we human beings manufacture should consist of right angles. This was a poor decision that disregarded the laws of nature and creates frequencies and vibrations which are not beneficial for us or nature in general.
A few of the fascinating facts to consider which I have discovered over the course of my recent research;
1/137 is the fine structure constant (0.007297351); "It’s one of the greatest damn mysteries of physics: a magic number that comes to us with no understanding by man. You might say the “hand of God” wrote that number, and “we don’t know how He pushed his pencil.”
Dr. Bill Riemers writes: classical physics tells us that electrons captured by element #137 (as yet undiscovered and unnamed) of the periodic table will move at the speed of light. The idea is quite simple, if you don’t use math to explain it. 137 is the odds that an electron will absorb a single photon. Protons and electrons are bound by interactions with photons. So when you get 137 protons, you get 137 photons, and you get a 100% chance of absorption. An electron in the ground state will orbit at the speed of light. This is the electromagnetic equivalent of a black hole. For gravitational black hole, general relativity comes to the rescue to prevent planets from orbiting at the speed of light and beyond. For an electromagnetic black hole, general relativity comes to the rescue and saves element 137 from having electrons moving faster than the speed of light. However, even with general relativity, element 139 would still have electrons moving faster than light. According to Einstein, this is an impossibility. Thus proving that we still don’t understand 137.
Golden Ratio Proportions, achieved by using .618 & 1.618
Sumerian measurements began with .618, a tool used for building architecture was recently found which confirmed this understanding.
.618 x .618 = .382
360 (degrees) x .382 = 137 degrees, the most prevalent angle in nature
360 (degrees) x .618 = 222 degrees, the second most prevalent angle in nature
The Hebrew word קבלה (Kaballah) has a Gematria (numerical value) of 137. It means “parallel” or “corresponding”. It is used to describe the “corresponding loops” which, when clasped together, enjoined the two sections of the Tabernacle’s ceiling. These loops were suspended directly over the veil that divided the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies. Symbolically, this is the threshold between the physical dimension and the utterly spiritual dimension. (A short section below about 222 will add to this mystery) In other words, at the boundary line of the physical world, the number 137 emerges. The wisdom of Kabbalah is to find correspondences between the mundane and spiritual levels of reality.
The Bible states that Ishmael, Levi, and Amram all lived to be 137 years old. The three appearances make it the most common lifespan of individuals in the Bible.
According to the verse in Genesis (17:17) there was a ten-year age gap between Abraham and Sarah. Sarah died at the age of 127 (Genesis 23:1), thus Abraham was 137 years old at her death. According to Rashi's commentary on Genesis 23:2, Sarah died when she heard that Isaac had almost been sacrificed, thus Abraham was 137 years old at the binding of Isaac.
The consensus within academia is that Jesus was 33 when he died, 137 is the 33rd prime number and the last number of which all of its numbers (1, 3, and 7) are prime.
The Ark of Noah was 137 meters long.
The Great Pyramid in Egypt is 137 meters tall.
In Gematria the following equal 222;
First Born - Jacob - John The Baptist - See - Speak - Breadth -Teach - Bless - Multiply - Divine - Journey
There is much more to be said about the Golden Ratio but I have run out of time this afternoon. I must address some responsibilities. I would like to emphasize that I believe 137 and 222 will be the numbers which will connect our physical realm (science) with the spiritual realm (religion). I hope you have learned something of value.
May the source of the force of the vacuum be with all of you.
Non Sequitur
Apr 2, 19 9:18 pm
God is false. Pick a new hobby.
x-jla
Apr 2, 19 11:43 pm
Right angles are in lots of things that humans create. Humans are animals. Therefore right angles are found in nature.
A while back, somebody here asked whether right-angles occur very often in nature ... i found that to be an intriguing question ... i could not find many and those mostly were in the world of crystals ... here are a few examples:
pyrite
pyrite crystals
pyrite crystals
table salt
flourite
anybody got any more ?
[]
StudioWookie: i think those are "right angles in cyberspace"
The right angle comes from man's upright posture, making him perpendicular to the ground plane, the spiritual intersection of the heavenly and earthbound.
Its also easier to fabricate and stack things at right angles.
T-shape.
A molecular shape that results when there are 3 bonds and 2 lone pairs around the central atom in the molecule. The atoms bonded to the central atom lie at the ends of a "T" with 90° angles between them. ICl3 has a T-shaped molecular geometry.
do you consider "alien residue" as "naturally occurring" .... ?
vectors and light rays
Le Corbusier - Poeme a l'angle droit
Feldspar crystals
Hang a plumb-bob over a bowl of water.
Right angle every time.
a plumb bob isnt a part of nature. unless it's like a spider dropping down its thread or something i guess.
well i can't really come up with anything cept maybe if u look at the stars, there's bound to be some that are lined up to form right angles...
ah, space isnt flat, so any stars that look like they are next to eachother are really at different distances. and they are all moving at differnent speeds in differnent directions, so its kinda unlikely.
not a right angle. but carbon60. buckminsterfullerene is very geometriclly regular.
when u stand up, ur body is perpendicular to the ground?
just because two objects are at right angles to each other doesn't make it a 90 degree angle found in nature - angles are a man-made construct - our way of interpreting something. 90 degree angles are inefficient and so are rare in nature. a great book that touches on this is "the self-made tapestry: pattern formation in nature" by michael ball. (or something close to that)
Nature's patterns give me the creeps. I can't stand looking at the center of a sunflower, and those little black things in the sides of strawberrys and kiwi fruit make me uneasy. Same thing with the inside of another thing...what's it called...
(10 minutes later.)
Acorn squash I think it is.
trees
So whats the point here? Don't design with right angles because they are not natural? Last time I looked, architecture wasnt natural...
dried mud cracking
As frankencense's example of the plumb-bob illustrates, right angles do occur naturally though gravity, although seldomly visible outside the realms of man-made objects.
They also occur in nature such as in the common salt NaCl crystal as well as the Archimedes snub cube:
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~mamikon/SnubCube.html
diabase: i think there are two potential points ...
a) it's kinda interesting, and
b) they're kinda rare ...
beyond that, there's no political or professional agenda (at least not for me)
besides, it's just fun to contemplate the question
These are six-sided natural shapes, not rectangles, but I feel like they might be fun to mention here:
At the Giant's Causeway in N.I.
i had this discussion a few times in ugrad with my friends, and minerals seemed to be the only thing we could come up with. only the most simple elements in nature take on such simple forms. perhaps we are all just very simple minded.
My friend showed me a chunk of rock with pyrite crystals embedded into it, and I was 100% convinced that it was a hoax. The cubes look so unnatural...
My guess is that nature found them cheaper to build, and easier to hang pictures on.
c'mon, richardtaylor, everyone knows corners cost more!
frankencense, your post had me thinging:
"Hang a plumb-bob over a bowl of water."
Doesn't the water's surface follow the curve of the earth? I never thought of this. My drink of water and bowl of cereal are domes at the top surface!
how about bracket fungus? I know its not always precisely flat but it is something that often grows at right angles to the tree trunk.
<img src="http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/muslei/eppingforest40big.jpg" alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com">
sorry -
joek ... here's a few photos of bracket fungus sized better for this site:
cool find .... !
garpike: Doesn't the water's surface follow the curve of the earth? I never thought of this. My drink of water and bowl of cereal are domes at the top surface!
Yes, that's right. I remember discussing this in school once, related to the fact that though we may draw a concrete slab as perfectly planar it actually isn't, when you adjust for the earth's curved surface.
And I love the notion of connecting yourself to the universe every morning through contemplating the curvature of the surface of your cup of coffee. Good morning!
hmmmm ... seems to me the ancient Greeks knew a thing or two about this curvature-of-the-earth thing and the verticality of columns ....
recognizing that this isn't necessarily a naturally occurring thing, but an invention of man ... nevertheless ...
"Consider now the triangle on the surface of the Earth, made up of the equator, the line of 0 degrees longitude through London, and the line of 90 degrees longtitude east, through Bangladesh. The two lines of longitude, meet the equator at a right angle, 90 degrees. The two lines of longitude also meet each other at the north pole, at a right angle, or 90 degrees."
Professor Stephen Hawking
yeah, but what about the meniscus?
http://education.jlab.org/qa/meniscus_01.html
meniscus shmeniscus.
comb, actually didn't the Greeks do that to give the Parthenon a more ominous perspectival effect? Kind of cartoony.
mies' national gallery roof is spherical for the same reason...
I just came across this thread somehow. What about honeycombs, spiderwebs, snowflakes, and the scutes on a turtle shell? Maybe not a perfect right angle, but polygonal for sure. Am I mistaken?
The reason you will not encounter 90 degree angles in nature is due to deconstructive energy. Non-destructive, perfect compression, perfect nesting, perfect embedding waves are achieved through a spiraling vortex with Golden Ratio proportions. Phen Shui is correct, nothing that we human beings manufacture should consist of right angles. This was a poor decision that disregarded the laws of nature and creates frequencies and vibrations which are not beneficial for us or nature in general.
A few of the fascinating facts to consider which I have discovered over the course of my recent research;
1/137 is the fine structure constant (0.007297351); "It’s one of the greatest damn mysteries of physics: a magic number that comes to us with no understanding by man. You might say the “hand of God” wrote that number, and “we don’t know how He pushed his pencil.”
Dr. Bill Riemers writes: classical physics tells us that electrons captured by element #137 (as yet undiscovered and unnamed) of the periodic table will move at the speed of light. The idea is quite simple, if you don’t use math to explain it. 137 is the odds that an electron will absorb a single photon. Protons and electrons are bound by interactions with photons. So when you get 137 protons, you get 137 photons, and you get a 100% chance of absorption. An electron in the ground state will orbit at the speed of light. This is the electromagnetic equivalent of a black hole. For gravitational black hole, general relativity comes to the rescue to prevent planets from orbiting at the speed of light and beyond. For an electromagnetic black hole, general relativity comes to the rescue and saves element 137 from having electrons moving faster than the speed of light. However, even with general relativity, element 139 would still have electrons moving faster than light. According to Einstein, this is an impossibility. Thus proving that we still don’t understand 137.
Golden Ratio Proportions, achieved by using .618 & 1.618
Sumerian measurements began with .618, a tool used for building architecture was recently found which confirmed this understanding.
.618 x .618 = .382
360 (degrees) x .382 = 137 degrees, the most prevalent angle in nature
360 (degrees) x .618 = 222 degrees, the second most prevalent angle in nature
The Hebrew word קבלה (Kaballah) has a Gematria (numerical value) of 137. It means “parallel” or “corresponding”. It is used to describe the “corresponding loops” which, when clasped together, enjoined the two sections of the Tabernacle’s ceiling. These loops were suspended directly over the veil that divided the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies. Symbolically, this is the threshold between the physical dimension and the utterly spiritual dimension. (A short section below about 222 will add to this mystery) In other words, at the boundary line of the physical world, the number 137 emerges. The wisdom of Kabbalah is to find correspondences between the mundane and spiritual levels of reality.
The Bible states that Ishmael, Levi, and Amram all lived to be 137 years old. The three appearances make it the most common lifespan of individuals in the Bible.
According to the verse in Genesis (17:17) there was a ten-year age gap between Abraham and Sarah. Sarah died at the age of 127 (Genesis 23:1), thus Abraham was 137 years old at her death. According to Rashi's commentary on Genesis 23:2, Sarah died when she heard that Isaac had almost been sacrificed, thus Abraham was 137 years old at the binding of Isaac.
The consensus within academia is that Jesus was 33 when he died, 137 is the 33rd prime number and the last number of which all of its numbers (1, 3, and 7) are prime.
The Ark of Noah was 137 meters long.
The Great Pyramid in Egypt is 137 meters tall.
In Gematria the following equal 222;
First Born - Jacob - John The Baptist - See - Speak - Breadth -Teach - Bless - Multiply - Divine - Journey
There is much more to be said about the Golden Ratio but I have run out of time this afternoon. I must address some responsibilities. I would like to emphasize that I believe 137 and 222 will be the numbers which will connect our physical realm (science) with the spiritual realm (religion). I hope you have learned something of value.
May the source of the force of the vacuum be with all of you.
God is false. Pick a new hobby.
Right angles are in lots of things that humans create. Humans are animals. Therefore right angles are found in nature.
Time to pick a new god.