let the wild, completely unfounded speculation begin!
ill_will
Feb 22, 23 5:12 pm
Lina Ghotmeh?
natematt
Feb 22, 23 6:06 pm
@archidose to defend their title as the single guess winner last year?
I'm going to put a name out early so I can have my chance at the coffee (if there is any this year)
Adjaye - Seemed like a hot pick for the last couple years, probably in the runnings at least.
ham1
Feb 22, 23 7:29 pm
You beat me to it, I think and hope Adjaye gets it this year
archidose
Mar 7, 23 9:49 am
Last minute defending-my-crown guess: Marina Tabassum
Archinect
Feb 22, 23 6:20 pm
Yes! A bag of Brutal coffee beans to the person who picks this year's winner (or the first three people to guess the winner)!
Donna Sink
Feb 22, 23 7:45 pm
Wait, did Holl get it yet?
archanonymous
Feb 23, 23 5:54 am
He'll never get it at this point. The committee has moved on.
Non Sequitur
Feb 22, 23 7:53 pm
I'm still holding strong for Safdie's glorious moustache... but I'd also like to see 5468796 get the nod.
Donna Sink
Feb 22, 23 7:57 pm
I thought Safdie got it?! I’m out of it.
Non Sequitur
Feb 22, 23 8:22 pm
Safdie's moustache is still winless...
Donna Sink
Feb 23, 23 9:30 am
Right, he recently won the AIA Gold Star or something.
Bench
Feb 23, 23 9:35 am
... really? i thought their hype-train came to slow end over the last decade, and their portfolio of work is way too small.. if any CND office was going to win it would be Patkau / BML ?
Non Sequitur
Feb 23, 23 10:29 am
Bench, I trust you're referring to the phone number and not Safdie's moustache. Yes, def not as big as Patkau but I still think there is more interesting social work done by phone number firm that could get them the nod... unlikely, but if I'm right, I'll look like a fucking genius! A genius with coffee too!
Bench
Feb 23, 23 10:33 am
Ha, i've never heard them called phone number before. we always said Barcode.
I genuinely think Patkau's should be in the conversation, but they are overshadowed by Safdie for CND architects ....
Non Sequitur
Feb 23, 23 10:51 am
I'd honestly like to see more international attention to Omar Gandhi but 90% of his work is high-end residential.
Bench
Feb 23, 23 2:45 pm
That would be a bold pick, considering he's very much from the mold/office of BML - (full disclosure, I studied under both back in the day). Hes starting to get more smaller commercial commissions, which bodes well for the trajectory.
JLC-1
Feb 23, 23 2:49 pm
really nice work by Gandhi, and you said "but his work is mostly high end residential", why is that a disqualification for this prize? I think I know the answer and want to see what others think.
Non Sequitur
Feb 23, 23 3:33 pm
JLC, his work is mostly residential and mostly limited to Canadian maritime locations. That's my reasoning but I realize that may not matter.
Wood Guy
Feb 23, 23 5:16 pm
OG is one of few contemporary architects who inspire me. I don't give a shit about prizes but I think he deserves one for being good at what he does.
bowling_ball
Feb 24, 23 8:59 am
If 546 gets it, I'll quit architecture.
Non Sequitur
Feb 24, 23 9:12 am
^was waiting for someone in their backyard to chime in.
Donna Sink
Feb 22, 23 7:58 pm
HdM? I’m not sure they should get it but they haven’t yet.
Non Sequitur
Feb 22, 23 8:23 pm
Herzog & de Meuron got theirs in 2001
Donna Sink
Feb 23, 23 9:29 am
Ah, they got it back when their work was still good. Makes sense.
luvu
Feb 25, 23 1:21 am
i’m curious to know why you think theis
luvu
Feb 25, 23 1:22 am
*their current works are not good?
Donna Sink
Feb 25, 23 6:32 am
The Elbphilharmonie is terrible. I know people like it but it gives me the creeps aesthetically AND failed acoustically. They are much better at small scale.
luvu
Feb 25, 23 6:18 pm
Aesthetic quality is subjective. And I’m sure if this building fails to perform, acoustically there would be a lawsuit against HdM already? I visited the place before and after the build and the transformation is excellent… the facade detail is nice. Not the best HdM works / not the worst either imho.
____
Feb 22, 23 8:32 pm
Glen Small. More of a hope than a guess.
b3tadine[sutures]
Feb 22, 23 8:58 pm
No one.
monosierra
Feb 22, 23 9:04 pm
Adjaye has been on a roll.
square.
Feb 23, 23 9:36 am
Tom Wiscombe
natematt
Mar 3, 23 5:15 pm
This would be pretty funny given recent events.
Bench
Feb 23, 23 9:45 am
Damn, looks like 3x Adjaye picks already gone, and i'd really like coffee (i agree he's the most likely pick) ...
I'll go slightly off the board and put a guess for Ma Yasong. Just feels like MAD has continued to put out decent work over the last couple years after having a real moment roughly a decade ago.
Meatball2000
Mar 2, 23 6:53 pm
I'd personally hate Ma getting it.......... Could go for Adjaye if you are asking me...but it'll be TOO easy a guess....hmmm
Le Courvoisier
Feb 23, 23 9:53 am
Balkins
JLC-1
Feb 23, 23 10:53 am
radic
Josh Mings
Feb 23, 23 11:38 am
Peter Barber should win. Just a regular bloke doing great social housing projects
SneakyPete
Feb 23, 23 12:06 pm
Peter Bohlin
Gregory Walker
Feb 23, 23 12:41 pm
i'm going with my heart and hoping smiljan radic wins.
my head says adjaye or chipperfield. unless they've pissed off someone like holl seems to have.
Donna Sink
Feb 23, 23 2:05 pm
I guess it won't be Brininstool + Lynch.
ill_will
Feb 23, 23 2:50 pm
It's not like they would have won it anyways :/
Chad Miller
Feb 23, 23 2:08 pm
I have no idea who any of these people / firms are. :s
sameolddoctor
Feb 23, 23 4:42 pm
The Pritzker should, for a change do something radical. Give the award to people who, in the face of disaster have to rethink and remake their dwellings (like those in the Turkey quake). And should donate the funds to that cause.
This is what I will do which I ever win the Pritzker (and this is why I never will, lol)
monosierra
Feb 23, 23 10:15 pm
Mass Design maybe ... they've done tremendous work in Rwanda and now in the US.
ham1
Feb 24, 23 3:18 pm
Maybe in the next few years, I'm sure a lot of high-profile architects will be taking on projects in that region in the aftermath of the earthquakes.
ae_0
Feb 24, 23 8:29 am
not necessarily personal, an overall guesstimation;
Toshiko Mori
Barclay & Crousse
Patkau Architects
Vector Architects
ham1
Feb 24, 23 3:20 pm
Love Mori, I feel like she's one great project away from being in the conversation
miesian
Feb 24, 23 11:00 am
Though realizing ole Chipperfield doesn't already have one gives me slight pause, I'll throw in for Smiljan Radic. He deserves it.
Donna Sink
Mar 9, 23 1:51 pm
Oops!
miesian
Mar 14, 23 10:56 am
right?
abracadabra
Feb 24, 23 11:36 am
"Stand up
For Pritzker and your architect and start singin' And if you don't, fuck it" - adopted from Jimmy Hendrix (God Save the Queen)
monosierra
Feb 24, 23 11:45 am
There should be another Gordon Bunshaft - he nominated himself and gave the shortest award speech ever. Also the first and only corporate architect without a namesake firm to win.
monosierra
Feb 24, 23 9:40 pm
For the Americans:
Jeanne Gang - who has a whole slate of big institutional projects nearing completion.
Or one of Williams Tsien and DS+R, who are a study in contrast. Maybe W+T when the Obama Center opens. DS+R already has a bunch of signature projects done ... I guess a knock would be R's huge influence in turning the firm from an artistic duo to a commercial juggernaut.
archanonymous
Feb 25, 23 4:10 am
TWBT are the scrappy underdogs I want to like but I've yet to go to one of their buildings that I thought was exceptional.
monosierra
Feb 25, 23 7:31 pm
I find their work a bit fussy at times. There are great moments in most of their buildings, but there's always a surfeit of detailing or unresolved complexity here and there. Like you said, the sum of the parts don't really add up.
Their Canadian alter ego, Shim-Sutcliffe, is similar.
cloi
Feb 25, 23 10:53 pm
smiljan radic, selgascano, vo trong nghia
safe choice for dsr and david chipperfield(adjaye is obvious but just want to give some change)
underdog for xu tiantian and shim sutcliffe
luvu
Feb 26, 23 12:15 am
Tatiana Bilbao / maybe not this year but will win eventually
archimetaform
Feb 27, 23 5:54 pm
1. Hermann Kaufmann
unique master, teacher working with high-rise wooden buildings
2. Wendell Burnette
the amazing poetic handwriting of this master contains great potential
3. Ensamble Studio
this amazing pair of architects is greatly underestimated
4. Jesen & Skodvin
these guys should not be forgotten. be sure to check them out
5. JOHN WARDLE 6. HENEGHAN+SHIN FU PENG 7. John Patkau 8. Christian Kerez 9. Stefano Boeri 10. Ken Yeang 11. Studio Zhu-Pei 12. Smilad Radic
JLC-1
Feb 27, 23 5:58 pm
smiljan
kenchiku
Feb 28, 23 7:07 am
John + Patricia Patkau* you mean
Bench
Feb 28, 23 11:01 am
Patkau's are a studio.
Orhan Ayyüce
Mar 3, 23 2:42 pm
double double... who's gonna win the coffee?
monosierra
Mar 7, 23 10:07 am
Chipperfield lol. A master of his craft.
Gregory Walker
Mar 7, 23 10:31 am
wait, did anyone *actually* pick chipperfield? i know i said (for example) i thought he or adjaye would win but i threw in for smiljan radic. looking through, i don't seen anyone actually picking chipperfield (except on a couple of long list posts which, really, that's not picking)....
Chad Miller
Mar 7, 23 10:46 am
Didn't even know this guy, his firm, or his buildings existed until seeing the headline on this site.
cloi
Mar 7, 23 1:32 pm
not going to claim I "picked" chipperfield. Obviously it was not a surprise choice anyway.
Bench
Mar 7, 23 1:53 pm
He's very well known in the UK, in the same vein as Foster / Piano
Chad Miller
Mar 7, 23 1:58 pm
I didn't say Chipperfield wasn't well known, just that I didn't know of him. Same as Foster / Piano - never heard of 'em.
I don't keep up with many architects / firms.
Bench
Mar 7, 23 2:41 pm
You havent heard of norman foster ... ? not entirely i believe that ...
Chad Miller
Mar 7, 23 2:54 pm
Nope. I know who Norman Foster is. I may have seen some of his / his firms work but it's not like I'd see said work and know who did it.
will galloway
Mar 8, 23 11:48 am
Really? Piano too? You never came across Pompidou in history class? Surprised that Chipperfield won, but he is in the news enough - even in the USA - that I am surprised he is not known broadly. Nice work. Minimal-ish master. Good looking details. Former employer of David Adjaye (hence the similarity in their work if looked at from the right angle). etc
miesian
Mar 7, 23 11:55 am
For some reason I thought if it was going to happen for him, it would have already happened. Silly me.
Meant to post this as a reply to @gregory walker
Gregory Walker
Mar 7, 23 3:04 pm
him, holl, safdie - there's a list you could argue fall into this category.
monosierra
Mar 7, 23 5:49 pm
The equivalents of Phillip Roth and Don Delillo when it comes to the Nobel Prize for Literature
Chad Miller
Mar 7, 23 12:12 pm
I bet Chipperfield's website is damn near reaching a denial of service levels of traffic right now.
b3tadine[sutures]
Mar 7, 23 2:56 pm
In a round about way, I was absolutely 1000% correct. No one....picked the correct architect....
Chad Miller
Mar 7, 23 3:01 pm
Well I not only did I not pick any architect I wasn't aware any of them prior to this post (not proud of that). By your logic I'd think I'd be the winner. ;)
b3tadine[sutures]
Mar 7, 23 3:52 pm
Cool, we split a pot?
Chad Miller
Mar 7, 23 5:15 pm
Sure! Actually you can have can have all of mine. I don't drink coffee. ::hides under desk::
b3tadine[sutures]
Mar 7, 23 9:41 pm
Philistine.
Chad Miller
Mar 8, 23 10:03 am
I am an abomination. Never learned to like it and I don't give into peer pressure.
b3tadine[sutures]
Mar 8, 23 12:45 pm
Under a Tiny D administration, all non-coffee drinkers will be coffee boarded.
Chad Miller
Mar 8, 23 4:14 pm
Meh, been water-boarded - as long as the coffee isn't hot I think I'd be fine.
natematt
Mar 7, 23 3:30 pm
Looks like Archinect gets to keep that coffee :)
Chad Miller
Mar 7, 23 3:32 pm
I say they split up the beans evenly between all of those who have commented thus far. Everyone's a winner?!?
Non Sequitur
Mar 8, 23 7:22 am
Ohhhhh. When should I expect a suspicious white envelop with my handful of beans?
natematt
Mar 8, 23 8:38 pm
@archinect is located in LA, they can just brew a pot and I'll come get a cup for my part :)
There's a tension between pushing for long term progress and rewarding design excellence that I find disquieting at times. Case in point is awarding a major prize to a well-intentioned architect/firm whose portfolio may not be up to par with his or her predecessors in terms of technical excellence, design quality, and even depth of the oeuvre. Amateur and Elemental were 2 examples. On the one hand, they
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 3:04 pm
Kate Wagner is a snobby elitist. I find it quite revealing how she equates Kere with “activism” and Chipperfield with design excellence. Kere is easily as talented in terms of pure material architecture regardless of the economics of its recipients. Her analysis perpetrates an unnecessary dichotomy between the architectural stature in the developed (major league) vs developing (minor league) countries. Architecture is not about activism. If it’s made to be about activism it will lose its depth. Architecture is also not about high-end materials and expensive locations. By separating architecture into these 2 schools, each will be shallower than if we simply judge architecture by what architecture is, and award prizes for design excellence whenever excellence arises.
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 3:39 pm
I also despise this gross and racist idea that creator is greater in importance than creation. The emphasis on the features of the maker rather than the features of the thing that they make. The prize should be completely and only about architecture, not trying to collect the whole set of identities and put them on display like a collection of pinned butterflies.
tduds
Mar 9, 23 4:00 pm
The fact that the Pritzker is awarded to a person instead of a building is, by definition, making the statement that the creator is greater in importance than the creation. So, once you've conceded that why not acknowledge additional elements about the creator that make them worthy of the honor?
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 4:21 pm
Because that’s what we used to call racism, but now it’s ok I guess to judge people based on trivial immutable characteristics. The prize is given to the creator, based upon the quality of their creations. If you were Francis Kere, would you feel empowered by her opinion piece, or would you feel that it minimizes your accomplishment?
tduds
Mar 9, 23 4:36 pm
Acknowledging a legacy of racism and the ripples it created in its wake is, in fact, not racism.
Chad Miller
Mar 9, 23 4:38 pm
Meh, I just despise racism and zelophobia. I really don't care about the Pritzker but I do enjoy the architecture.
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 4:39 pm
You are right on the diagnosis and wrong on the prognosis
Chad Miller
Mar 9, 23 4:40 pm
I dunno x-jla - I'd agree with tduds. I mean you acknowledge socialism, communism, fascism, natizim and the ripples it created in their wakes you don't think yourself any of those things when you talk about it.
tduds
Mar 9, 23 4:41 pm
In the piece, she says, of Kere: he is "renowned for his focus on sustainability, vernacular construction techniques, and locally sourced materials, all of which examines the project of architecture in places and times of scarcity." and that he typifies "an architecture that elevated everyday life and challenged elitist ideals." and yeah, I don't think I'd be upset by that if I were him.
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 4:42 pm
The power of Jesse Owens was that he ran on the same track with the same rules. If he ran on a different track, or was given a handicap, he wouldn’t have had the same impact.
Chad Miller
Mar 9, 23 4:44 pm
Except he was given a racial handicap. Also why bring up Owens when discussing the Pritzker ?
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 4:45 pm
It’s called an analogy
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 4:46 pm
Who was given a handicap?
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 4:56 pm
Tduds, my point is that the article try’s to divide architecture into two camps. Architecture of the developed world, and architecture of the developing world. What is the benefit of dividing architecture into 2 categories, and why 2? If we can judge modernism and post modernism and brutalism, and etc etc…all within the same prize, why is she compelled to segregate the work of Mr Kere? He is litterally doing what you can call critical regionalism. Is there a budget cutoff? Any judge worth anything should be able to see design excellence whether the material is rammed earth or gold. The problem was that only wealthy nations who produced large expensive structures were appreciated. The solution should be to expand the scope of appreciation within that category, not create splinter categories
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 4:59 pm
*within that category of “great architecture” By creating sub categories, the work becomes subjugated under the same elitist force that kept it out in the first place.
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 5:01 pm
Does that make sense. Not an easy point to articulate
Chad Miller
Mar 9, 23 5:29 pm
Sounds like x-jla and Eamez are the same person.
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 6:27 pm
I don’t know who that is.
Chad Miller
Mar 9, 23 6:32 pm
You sound just like him. Or maybe he sound like you. See the link in my post below.
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 7:03 pm
Most people sound like me. I’d say probably 80-90% of the population if you go outside of your echo chamber.
ivanmillya
Mar 9, 23 7:15 pm
I wouldn't say 80%, but there does seem to be a troubling number of people who agree with the conservative and...shall I say, problematic slant of conservative media surrounding architecture (not even to mention broader culture).
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 7:22 pm
Why is that troubling?
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 8:20 pm
“Chipperfield’s selection marks an end to that decade-long run.” Let’s examine that decade. Ito, Ban, Otto, Arevana,
I don’t see anything about Chipperfields work that marks some sort of end to some sort of decade long run. Run of what? They are all very good architects who do a range of different things, but essentially fairly restrained architecture. McNamara /Farrell is probably closest imo to Chipperfield in terms of style.
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 8:34 pm
Except maybe isozaki…he seems to be the outlier.
Chad Miller
Mar 10, 23 10:12 am
x-jla wrote
“Most people sound like me. I’d say probably 80-90% of the population if you go outside of your echo chamber.”
I would have to disagree and would like to know how you came up with your figures.
I live in CO, a ‘purple’ state. The part of the state I live in is overwhelmingly conservative (70% per voting registration). Out of all those conservatives very few sound like you x-jla. Those that do are the ones with blue lives matter and confederate flags on their trucks.
My friends have a wide range of socio / political / religious views ranging from liberal to conservative and devout to atheist all things in between. We all have differing views on things, and we rarely sound the same. This wasn't a choice. I simply wanted friends that had a love of the outdoors and treated others with respect and dignity. The mix of views just happened naturally.
One final comment; I’d say that if 80-90% of your friends sound like you then you’re the one in an echo chamber.
x-jla
Mar 10, 23 11:18 am
Kate Wagners piece attempts to critique the prize for not continuing what she saw as some DEI initiative. Her evidence for that seems to be that Kere is a black guy, and a few others were women. She is one of many promoting an evil belief in racial (and gender) essential is
x-jla
Mar 10, 23 11:18 am
*essentialism
tduds
Mar 10, 23 11:22 am
It's hard to know where to start but all I can say is I took a wildly different message away from her article.
x-jla
Mar 10, 23 11:25 am
If that article was written 20 years ago it would be considered just that by most liberals. There is a huge difference between expanding the competition field by looking to developing countries, and splintering the field into different categories. I’m for the former, ans against the latter. Good thing this is all a figment of wagners imagination, because it’s not obvious that the committee is/was doing that. They seem to be pretty good at picking out exceptional design. What is it about the article that you agree with Chad?
x-jla
Mar 10, 23 11:28 am
So, what you and her are essentially saying much more closely aligns with the spirit of segregation and right wing thinking than what I’m saying. Open the doors of the country club to all, but don’t create a separate entrance, because that’s quite racist. Is it that the progressive types are tone deaf, stubborn,…?
Chad Miller
Mar 10, 23 11:29 am
I never said I agree with the article. I never commented on the article. Where are you getting this idea?
x-jla
Mar 10, 23 11:39 am
So then what are talking about? You made a comment in the thread assuming that I sound a certain way, but didn’t bother reading the article I’m responding to, so how could you know the context of what I’m saying or “how I sound”.
x-jla
Mar 10, 23 11:43 am
Anyways, not wasting my time with another - he said she said argument. I’d be happy to discuss the substance of the topic, but I’m not arguing over nonsense. Simply said-I don’t agree with her argument, and it has unnecessary racial undertones. That’s all. If you think differently we can discuss that.
Chad Miller
Mar 10, 23 12:07 pm
xjla
Your comments here sound a lot like the what the user Eamez wrote in the comments to the Archinect post about the Prisker. No need to have read the article Jovan linked to make that comparison or connection. No assumptions were made. Everything was based on what you said in this thread.
It's not hard to understand this.
tduds
Mar 10, 23 1:29 pm
"There is a huge difference between expanding the competition field by looking to developing countries, and splintering the field into different categories." I very much understood her thesis as the former, not the latter. So it's hard to figure out how far back to go to form a response to your reading of it.
tduds
Mar 10, 23 1:33 pm
I wrote this elsewhere and I think it pretty much sums up my understanding of her point:
I think Kate Wagner brings up an interesting point in that, if nothing else, it's worth having the discussion of what the Pritzker prize means to the world. Whether it's awarded purely on architectural merit, or whether social / political / environmental concerns are taken into account is, I think, a matter of healthy debate and I hope it's a debate that continues to be healthy. I also think she highlights that, whatever one's personal stance on the matter, the Pritzker jury seemed to have taken a stance in the past decade, and Chipperfield's win - however deserved it is - is a definite turn from that previous stance. And it's worthwhile for the architectural community to be talking about that. Hopefully not in a way that overshadows the win, but still it should be part of the conversation.
x-jla
Mar 10, 23 2:25 pm
I don’t disagree that “social / political / environmental concerns” ought to be considered. All constraints, and how they are addressed ought to be considered. What I am saying is that all constraints ARE part of architecture, and social/environmental/economic constraints shouldn’t be treated as some other thing requiring a separate category or special treatment. That kind of defies the whole purpose. we should be able to look at Kere and Chipperfield side by side and compare and contrast the essence of the work without some preconceived agenda that has nothing to do with the essence of the work.
x-jla
Mar 10, 23 2:36 pm
It’s about the spirit of having a blind unbiased jury at the end of the day.
x-jla
Mar 10, 23 2:38 pm
Otherwise is becomes culturally insignificant like the Oscar’s, Grammies, etc. people don’t watch that crap anymore for a reason.
tduds
Mar 10, 23 4:03 pm
"All constraints, and how they are addressed ought to be considered." and what I'm saying (and what I think Kate's saying) is that architecture is necessarily a game of priorities and compromises. It's not possible to address all constraints equally so one must make choices about what to prioritize and what to... well, "ignore" is not the right word but... you know. I disagree that there's a "segregation" between two things happening here as much as an acknowledgement that there are many dials and only a handful can be turned up at a time. I think it's worth discussion which dials, as it were, the architecture world of the time is looking at most closely. And I think, personally, that Chipperfield has a set of priorities that are not the same as, say, Kere or Lacaton et Vassal. All three make beautiful architecture, but they do it in order to say different things. I don't think it's fair to say one has an agenda and one doesn't, just that their agendas are different.
tduds
Mar 10, 23 4:12 pm
and irrespective of all that one bit of this that I think is most important and hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread is this: "It also matters for architecture that the prize, which for decades felt like a trivial coronation — the icing on the cake of an architect’s career in the limelight — had reoriented toward boundary-breaking and less traditional practices."
Ignoring any of the other bits about social or environmental agendas, it's a plain truth (to me at least) that the Pritzker was once seen as more of a lifetime achievement award but lately had pivoted to being something more like a Macarthur Grant, to elevate a groundbreaking but maybe under-recognized practice still in the middle of their architectural life.
If you look at the winners of the 80s and 90s compared with the winners of the 21st century, there's a clear shift away from architects whose most significant work was done before their win, towards architects whose most significant work was done *after*. That's an interesting thing to note. And, again I think it's a plain truth, that Chipperfield's award is much more in the 'lifetime achievement' camp than the 'mid-career boost' one.
Just to say it once more for emphasis: none of this means that Chipperfield doesn't deserve the award. I think he's incredible. Just that I think it's worth discussing what all of this means in context, because, like you said, the whole context ought to be considered.
b3tadine[sutures]
Mar 10, 23 6:58 pm
^this right here. Kate does a beautiful job of placing this awarding in our current zeitgeist. I'll add this, Jay Pritzker is the current governor of Illinois, and a presumed 2028 candidate for President, if not 2024. Perhaps a stretch, but my cynicism sees some political play toward white, mealy mouthed neo-lib assholes.
b3tadine[sutures]
Mar 11, 23 6:16 am
It also matters for architecture that the prize, which for decades felt like a trivial coronation — the icing on the cake of an architect’s career in the limelight — had reoriented toward boundary-breaking and less traditional practices. The Pritzker Prize jury had a chance (and perhaps an imperative) to be brave once again.
Well it didn't take long for user Eamez to claim bias against Americans because one didn't win. This is just weird. I think he's just upset that he didn't win the coffee.
But I will have to read it more later. Just took a brief look.
Richard Balkins
Mar 9, 23 8:21 pm
There's x-jla. How many days, hours, and minutes was that vacation?
x-jla
Mar 9, 23 8:35 pm
Hi Rick.
proto
Mar 10, 23 10:35 am
Wow, what a strange hill to ignorantly construct and then loudly die on…
Chad Miller
Mar 10, 23 11:21 am
I know. This Eamez user is factually wrong on 90% of what they posted. It's embarrassing to see them use these lies to try and support their erroneous and false opinions.
x-jla
Mar 10, 23 11:35 am
I don’t understand it. Mayne is American, Venturi and Brown are Americans. Plenty of American winners. America is also one of many countries, and many of the winners did projects in America and were probably judged by those projects…so I would have to disagree with their analysis
Chad Miller
Mar 10, 23 11:41 am
Also that FLW was the creator of the modern movement and because of that American architects the the only ones who can do modersim well.
x-jla
Mar 10, 23 11:46 am
Did they forget about the Bauhaus?
Chad Miller
Mar 10, 23 12:04 pm
I guess so?
Richard Balkins
Mar 10, 23 3:16 pm
Chad, FLW was certainly an early influencer but maybe Louis Sullivan being the father of "American" modernism but FLW certainly was a key to the modern movement but even then, not the only one. Granted, Louis's style and even FLW had finer details (later modernists may call decoration) than the later more stark modernism that were influenced by the "European" modernists and their influence in the U.S. (Mies van der Rohe, Le Corbusier, Walter Gropius, etc.) I kind of like nice clean juxtaposition of the stark finishes with the fine textural character of FLW's work and that of Sullivan's work.
Richard Balkins
Mar 10, 23 3:46 pm
I personally do like the architectural character of "De Stijl"-inspired modern architecture and to an extent, that also was in one of my favorite works of Mies.... the Barcelona Pavillion. Now, with materials like CLTs and SIPs, and other building materials, it can be quite interesting what we can do today with modernism.
ok kids - it's time to get those predictions in. this year's honoree(s) will be announced March 10th, at 10am EST.
team archinect - some coffee to the first person to post the winner?
if you want to see who's won already....
let the wild, completely unfounded speculation begin!
Lina Ghotmeh?
@archidose to defend their title as the single guess winner last year?
I'm going to put a name out early so I can have my chance at the coffee (if there is any this year)
Adjaye - Seemed like a hot pick for the last couple years, probably in the runnings at least.
You beat me to it, I think and hope Adjaye gets it this year
Last minute defending-my-crown guess: Marina Tabassum
Yes! A bag of Brutal coffee beans to the person who picks this year's winner (or the first three people to guess the winner)!
Wait, did Holl get it yet?
He'll never get it at this point. The committee has moved on.
I'm still holding strong for Safdie's glorious moustache... but I'd also like to see 5468796 get the nod.
I thought Safdie got it?! I’m out of it.
Safdie's moustache is still winless...
Right, he recently won the AIA Gold Star or something.
... really? i thought their hype-train came to slow end over the last decade, and their portfolio of work is way too small.. if any CND office was going to win it would be Patkau / BML ?
Bench, I trust you're referring to the phone number and not Safdie's moustache. Yes, def not as big as Patkau but I still think there is more interesting social work done by phone number firm that could get them the nod... unlikely, but if I'm right, I'll look like a fucking genius! A genius with coffee too!
Ha, i've never heard them called phone number before. we always said Barcode.
I genuinely think Patkau's should be in the conversation, but they are overshadowed by Safdie for CND architects ....
I'd honestly like to see more international attention to Omar Gandhi but 90% of his work is high-end residential.
That would be a bold pick, considering he's very much from the mold/office of BML - (full disclosure, I studied under both back in the day). Hes starting to get more smaller commercial commissions, which bodes well for the trajectory.
really nice work by Gandhi, and you said "but his work is mostly high end residential", why is that a disqualification for this prize? I think I know the answer and want to see what others think.
JLC, his work is mostly residential and mostly limited to Canadian maritime locations. That's my reasoning but I realize that may not matter.
OG is one of few contemporary architects who inspire me. I don't give a shit about prizes but I think he deserves one for being good at what he does.
If 546 gets it, I'll quit architecture.
^was waiting for someone in their backyard to chime in.
HdM? I’m not sure they should get it but they haven’t yet.
Herzog & de Meuron got theirs in 2001
Ah, they got it back when their work was still good. Makes sense.
i’m curious to know why you think theis
*their current works are not good?
The Elbphilharmonie is terrible. I know people like it but it gives me the creeps aesthetically AND failed acoustically. They are much better at small scale.
Aesthetic quality is subjective. And I’m sure if this building fails to perform, acoustically there would be a lawsuit against HdM already? I visited the place before and after the build and the transformation is excellent… the facade detail is nice. Not the best HdM works / not the worst either imho.
Glen Small. More of a hope than a guess.
No one.
Adjaye has been on a roll.
Tom Wiscombe
This would be pretty funny given recent events.
Damn, looks like 3x Adjaye picks already gone, and i'd really like coffee (i agree he's the most likely pick) ...
I'll go slightly off the board and put a guess for Ma Yasong. Just feels like MAD has continued to put out decent work over the last couple years after having a real moment roughly a decade ago.
I'd personally hate Ma getting it.......... Could go for Adjaye if you are asking me...but it'll be TOO easy a guess....hmmm
Balkins
radic
Peter Barber should win. Just a regular bloke doing great social housing projects
Peter Bohlin
i'm going with my heart and hoping smiljan radic wins.
my head says adjaye or chipperfield. unless they've pissed off someone like holl seems to have.
I guess it won't be Brininstool + Lynch.
It's not like they would have won it anyways :/
I have no idea who any of these people / firms are. :s
The Pritzker should, for a change do something radical. Give the award to people who, in the face of disaster have to rethink and remake their dwellings (like those in the Turkey quake). And should donate the funds to that cause.
This is what I will do which I ever win the Pritzker (and this is why I never will, lol)
Mass Design maybe ... they've done tremendous work in Rwanda and now in the US.
Maybe in the next few years, I'm sure a lot of high-profile architects will be taking on projects in that region in the aftermath of the earthquakes.
not necessarily personal, an overall guesstimation;
Toshiko Mori
Barclay & Crousse
Patkau Architects
Vector Architects
Love Mori, I feel like she's one great project away from being in the conversation
Though realizing ole Chipperfield doesn't already have one gives me slight pause, I'll throw in for Smiljan Radic. He deserves it.
Oops!
right?
"Stand up
For Pritzker and your architect and start singin'
And if you don't, fuck it" - adopted from Jimmy Hendrix (God Save the Queen)
There should be another Gordon Bunshaft - he nominated himself and gave the shortest award speech ever. Also the first and only corporate architect without a namesake firm to win.
For the Americans:
Jeanne Gang - who has a whole slate of big institutional projects nearing completion.
Or one of Williams Tsien and DS+R, who are a study in contrast. Maybe W+T when the Obama Center opens. DS+R already has a bunch of signature projects done ... I guess a knock would be R's huge influence in turning the firm from an artistic duo to a commercial juggernaut.
TWBT are the scrappy underdogs I want to like but I've yet to go to one of their buildings that I thought was exceptional.
I find their work a bit fussy at times. There are great moments in most of their buildings, but there's always a surfeit of detailing or unresolved complexity here and there. Like you said, the sum of the parts don't really add up.
Their Canadian alter ego, Shim-Sutcliffe, is similar.
smiljan radic, selgascano, vo trong nghia
safe choice for dsr and david chipperfield(adjaye is obvious but just want to give some change)
underdog for xu tiantian and shim sutcliffe
Tatiana Bilbao / maybe not this year but will win eventually
1. Hermann Kaufmann
unique master, teacher working with high-rise wooden buildings
2. Wendell Burnette
the amazing poetic handwriting of this master contains great potential
3. Ensamble Studio
this amazing pair of architects is greatly underestimated
4. Jesen & Skodvin
these guys should not be forgotten. be sure to check them out
5. JOHN WARDLE
6. HENEGHAN+SHIN FU PENG
7. John Patkau
8. Christian Kerez
9. Stefano Boeri
10. Ken Yeang
11. Studio Zhu-Pei
12. Smilad Radic
smiljan
John + Patricia Patkau* you mean
Patkau's are a studio.
double double... who's gonna win the coffee?
Chipperfield lol. A master of his craft.
wait, did anyone *actually* pick chipperfield? i know i said (for example) i thought he or adjaye would win but i threw in for smiljan radic. looking through, i don't seen anyone actually picking chipperfield (except on a couple of long list posts which, really, that's not picking)....
Didn't even know this guy, his firm, or his buildings existed until seeing the headline on this site.
not going to claim I "picked" chipperfield. Obviously it was not a surprise choice anyway.
He's very well known in the UK, in the same vein as Foster / Piano
I didn't say Chipperfield wasn't well known, just that I didn't know of him. Same as Foster / Piano - never heard of 'em.
I don't keep up with many architects / firms.
You havent heard of norman foster ... ? not entirely i believe that ...
Nope. I know who Norman Foster is. I may have seen some of his / his firms work but it's not like I'd see said work and know who did it.
Really? Piano too? You never came across Pompidou in history class? Surprised that Chipperfield won, but he is in the news enough - even in the USA - that I am surprised he is not known broadly. Nice work. Minimal-ish master. Good looking details. Former employer of David Adjaye (hence the similarity in their work if looked at from the right angle). etc
For some reason I thought if it was going to happen for him, it would have already happened. Silly me.
Meant to post this as a reply to @gregory walker
him, holl, safdie - there's a list you could argue fall into this category.
The equivalents of Phillip Roth and Don Delillo when it comes to the Nobel Prize for Literature
I bet Chipperfield's website is damn near reaching a denial of service levels of traffic right now.
In a round about way, I was absolutely 1000% correct. No one....picked the correct architect....
Well I not only did I not pick any architect I wasn't aware any of them prior to this post (not proud of that). By your logic I'd think I'd be the winner. ;)
Cool, we split a pot?
Sure! Actually you can have can have all of mine. I don't drink coffee. ::hides under desk::
Philistine.
I am an abomination. Never learned to like it and I don't give into peer pressure.
Under a Tiny D administration, all non-coffee drinkers will be coffee boarded.
Meh, been water-boarded - as long as the coffee isn't hot I think I'd be fine.
Looks like Archinect gets to keep that coffee :)
I say they split up the beans evenly between all of those who have commented thus far. Everyone's a winner?!?
Ohhhhh. When should I expect a suspicious white envelop with my handful of beans?
@archinect is located in LA, they can just brew a pot and I'll come get a cup for my part :)
Kate Wagner wrote a pretty good piece summing up my thoughts on Chipperfield's win: https://www.curbed.com/2023/03...
There's a tension between pushing for long term progress and rewarding design excellence that I find disquieting at times. Case in point is awarding a major prize to a well-intentioned architect/firm whose portfolio may not be up to par with his or her predecessors in terms of technical excellence, design quality, and even depth of the oeuvre. Amateur and Elemental were 2 examples. On the one hand, they
Kate Wagner is a snobby elitist. I find it quite revealing how she equates Kere with “activism” and Chipperfield with design excellence. Kere is easily as talented in terms of pure material architecture regardless of the economics of its recipients. Her analysis perpetrates an unnecessary dichotomy between the architectural stature in the developed (major league) vs developing (minor league) countries. Architecture is not about activism. If it’s made to be about activism it will lose its depth. Architecture is also not about high-end materials and expensive locations. By separating architecture into these 2 schools, each will be shallower than if we simply judge architecture by what architecture is, and award prizes for design excellence whenever excellence arises.
I also despise this gross and racist idea that creator is greater in importance than creation. The emphasis on the features of the maker rather than the features of the thing that they make. The prize should be completely and only about architecture, not trying to collect the whole set of identities and put them on display like a collection of pinned butterflies.
The fact that the Pritzker is awarded to a person instead of a building is, by definition, making the statement that the creator is greater in importance than the creation. So, once you've conceded that why not acknowledge additional elements about the creator that make them worthy of the honor?
Because that’s what we used to call racism, but now it’s ok I guess to judge people based on trivial immutable characteristics. The prize is given to the creator, based upon the quality of their creations. If you were Francis Kere, would you feel empowered by her opinion piece, or would you feel that it minimizes your accomplishment?
Acknowledging a legacy of racism and the ripples it created in its wake is, in fact, not racism.
Meh, I just despise racism and zelophobia. I really don't care about the Pritzker but I do enjoy the architecture.
You are right on the diagnosis and wrong on the prognosis
I dunno x-jla - I'd agree with tduds. I mean you acknowledge socialism, communism, fascism, natizim and the ripples it created in their wakes you don't think yourself any of those things when you talk about it.
In the piece, she says, of Kere: he is "renowned for his focus on sustainability, vernacular construction techniques, and locally sourced materials, all of which examines the project of architecture in places and times of scarcity." and that he typifies "an architecture that elevated everyday life and challenged elitist ideals." and yeah, I don't think I'd be upset by that if I were him.
The power of Jesse Owens was that he ran on the same track with the same rules. If he ran on a different track, or was given a handicap, he wouldn’t have had the same impact.
Except he was given a racial handicap. Also why bring up Owens when discussing the Pritzker ?
It’s called an analogy
Who was given a handicap?
Tduds, my point is that the article try’s to divide architecture into two camps. Architecture of the developed world, and architecture of the developing world. What is the benefit of dividing architecture into 2 categories, and why 2? If we can judge modernism and post modernism and brutalism, and etc etc…all within the same prize, why is she compelled to segregate the work of Mr Kere? He is litterally doing what you can call critical regionalism. Is there a budget cutoff? Any judge worth anything should be able to see design excellence whether the material is rammed earth or gold. The problem was that only wealthy nations who produced large expensive structures were appreciated. The solution should be to expand the scope of appreciation within that category, not create splinter categories
*within that category of “great architecture” By creating sub categories, the work becomes subjugated under the same elitist force that kept it out in the first place.
Does that make sense. Not an easy point to articulate
Sounds like x-jla and Eamez are the same person.
I don’t know who that is.
You sound just like him. Or maybe he sound like you. See the link in my post below.
Most people sound like me. I’d say probably 80-90% of the population if you go outside of your echo chamber.
I wouldn't say 80%, but there does seem to be a troubling number of people who agree with the conservative and...shall I say, problematic slant of conservative media surrounding architecture (not even to mention broader culture).
Why is that troubling?
“Chipperfield’s selection marks an end to that decade-long run.” Let’s examine that decade. Ito, Ban, Otto, Arevana,
Pigem, Aranda, Vilalta, Doshi, Isozaki, McNamara, Farrell, Lacaton/Vassal, Kere.
I don’t see anything about Chipperfields work that marks some sort of end to some sort of decade long run. Run of what? They are all very good architects who do a range of different things, but essentially fairly restrained architecture. McNamara /Farrell is probably closest imo to Chipperfield in terms of style.
Except maybe isozaki…he seems to be the outlier.
x-jla wrote
“Most people sound like me. I’d say probably 80-90% of the population if you go outside of your echo chamber.”
I would have to disagree and would like to know how you came up with your figures.
I live in CO, a ‘purple’ state. The part of the state I live in is overwhelmingly conservative (70% per voting registration). Out of all those conservatives very few sound like you x-jla. Those that do are the ones with blue lives matter and confederate flags on their trucks.
My friends have a wide range of socio / political / religious views ranging from liberal to conservative and devout to atheist all things in between. We all have differing views on things, and we rarely sound the same. This wasn't a choice. I simply wanted friends that had a love of the outdoors and treated others with respect and dignity. The mix of views just happened naturally.
One final comment; I’d say that if 80-90% of your friends sound like you then you’re the one in an echo chamber.
Kate Wagners piece attempts to critique the prize for not continuing what she saw as some DEI initiative. Her evidence for that seems to be that Kere is a black guy, and a few others were women. She is one of many promoting an evil belief in racial (and gender) essential is
*essentialism
It's hard to know where to start but all I can say is I took a wildly different message away from her article.
If that article was written 20 years ago it would be considered just that by most liberals. There is a huge difference between expanding the competition field by looking to developing countries, and splintering the field into different categories. I’m for the former, ans against the latter. Good thing this is all a figment of wagners imagination, because it’s not obvious that the committee is/was doing that. They seem to be pretty good at picking out exceptional design. What is it about the article that you agree with Chad?
So, what you and her are essentially saying much more closely aligns with the spirit of segregation and right wing thinking than what I’m saying. Open the doors of the country club to all, but don’t create a separate entrance, because that’s quite racist. Is it that the progressive types are tone deaf, stubborn,…?
I never said I agree with the article. I never commented on the article. Where are you getting this idea?
So then what are talking about? You made a comment in the thread assuming that I sound a certain way, but didn’t bother reading the article I’m responding to, so how could you know the context of what I’m saying or “how I sound”.
Anyways, not wasting my time with another - he said she said argument. I’d be happy to discuss the substance of the topic, but I’m not arguing over nonsense. Simply said-I don’t agree with her argument, and it has unnecessary racial undertones. That’s all. If you think differently we can discuss that.
xjla
Your comments here sound a lot like the what the user Eamez wrote in the comments to the Archinect post about the Prisker. No need to have read the article Jovan linked to make that comparison or connection. No assumptions were made. Everything was based on what you said in this thread.
It's not hard to understand this.
"There is a huge difference between expanding the competition field by looking to developing countries, and splintering the field into different categories." I very much understood her thesis as the former, not the latter. So it's hard to figure out how far back to go to form a response to your reading of it.
I wrote this elsewhere and I think it pretty much sums up my understanding of her point:
I think Kate Wagner brings up an interesting point in that, if nothing else, it's worth having the discussion of what the Pritzker prize means to the world. Whether it's awarded purely on architectural merit, or whether social / political / environmental concerns are taken into account is, I think, a matter of healthy debate and I hope it's a debate that continues to be healthy. I also think she highlights that, whatever one's personal stance on the matter, the Pritzker jury seemed to have taken a stance in the past decade, and Chipperfield's win - however deserved it is - is a definite turn from that previous stance. And it's worthwhile for the architectural community to be talking about that. Hopefully not in a way that overshadows the win, but still it should be part of the conversation.
I don’t disagree that “social / political / environmental concerns” ought to be considered. All constraints, and how they are addressed ought to be considered. What I am saying is that all constraints ARE part of architecture, and social/environmental/economic constraints shouldn’t be treated as some other thing requiring a separate category or special treatment. That kind of defies the whole purpose. we should be able to look at Kere and Chipperfield side by side and compare and contrast the essence of the work without some preconceived agenda that has nothing to do with the essence of the work.
It’s about the spirit of having a blind unbiased jury at the end of the day.
Otherwise is becomes culturally insignificant like the Oscar’s, Grammies, etc. people don’t watch that crap anymore for a reason.
"All constraints, and how they are addressed ought to be considered." and what I'm saying (and what I think Kate's saying) is that architecture is necessarily a game of priorities and compromises. It's not possible to address all constraints equally so one must make choices about what to prioritize and what to... well, "ignore" is not the right word but... you know. I disagree that there's a "segregation" between two things happening here as much as an acknowledgement that there are many dials and only a handful can be turned up at a time. I think it's worth discussion which dials, as it were, the architecture world of the time is looking at most closely. And I think, personally, that Chipperfield has a set of priorities that are not the same as, say, Kere or Lacaton et Vassal. All three make beautiful architecture, but they do it in order to say different things. I don't think it's fair to say one has an agenda and one doesn't, just that their agendas are different.
and irrespective of all that one bit of this that I think is most important and hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread is this: "It also matters for architecture that the prize, which for decades felt like a trivial coronation — the icing on the cake of an architect’s career in the limelight — had reoriented toward boundary-breaking and less traditional practices."
Ignoring any of the other bits about social or environmental agendas, it's a plain truth (to me at least) that the Pritzker was once seen as more of a lifetime achievement award but lately had pivoted to being something more like a Macarthur Grant, to elevate a groundbreaking but maybe under-recognized practice still in the middle of their architectural life.
If you look at the winners of the 80s and 90s compared with the winners of the 21st century, there's a clear shift away from architects whose most significant work was done before their win, towards architects whose most significant work was done *after*. That's an interesting thing to note. And, again I think it's a plain truth, that Chipperfield's award is much more in the 'lifetime achievement' camp than the 'mid-career boost' one.
Just to say it once more for emphasis: none of this means that Chipperfield doesn't deserve the award. I think he's incredible. Just that I think it's worth discussing what all of this means in context, because, like you said, the whole context ought to be considered.
^this right here. Kate does a beautiful job of placing this awarding in our current zeitgeist. I'll add this, Jay Pritzker is the current governor of Illinois, and a presumed 2028 candidate for President, if not 2024. Perhaps a stretch, but my cynicism sees some political play toward white, mealy mouthed neo-lib assholes.
It also matters for architecture that the prize, which for decades felt like a trivial coronation — the icing on the cake of an architect’s career in the limelight — had reoriented toward boundary-breaking and less traditional practices. The Pritzker Prize jury had a chance (and perhaps an imperative) to be brave once again.
this is funny https://twitter.com/t_________...
sure is.
Well it didn't take long for user Eamez to claim bias against Americans because one didn't win. This is just weird. I think he's just upset that he didn't win the coffee.
https://archinect.com/news/article/150341634/david-chipperfield-is-the-2023-pritzker-prize-winner
Wow that went sideways real fast
Yup the guy is a racist punter.
Honestly, I don’t understand his gripe
But I will have to read it more later. Just took a brief look.
There's x-jla. How many days, hours, and minutes was that vacation?
Hi Rick.
Wow, what a strange hill to ignorantly construct and then loudly die on…
I know. This Eamez user is factually wrong on 90% of what they posted. It's embarrassing to see them use these lies to try and support their erroneous and false opinions.
I don’t understand it. Mayne is American, Venturi and Brown are Americans. Plenty of American winners. America is also one of many countries, and many of the winners did projects in America and were probably judged by those projects…so I would have to disagree with their analysis
Also that FLW was the creator of the modern movement and because of that American architects the the only ones who can do modersim well.
Did they forget about the Bauhaus?
I guess so?
Chad, FLW was certainly an early influencer but maybe Louis Sullivan being the father of "American" modernism but FLW certainly was a key to the modern movement but even then, not the only one. Granted, Louis's style and even FLW had finer details (later modernists may call decoration) than the later more stark modernism that were influenced by the "European" modernists and their influence in the U.S. (Mies van der Rohe, Le Corbusier, Walter Gropius, etc.) I kind of like nice clean juxtaposition of the stark finishes with the fine textural character of FLW's work and that of Sullivan's work.
I personally do like the architectural character of "De Stijl"-inspired modern architecture and to an extent, that also was in one of my favorite works of Mies.... the Barcelona Pavillion. Now, with materials like CLTs and SIPs, and other building materials, it can be quite interesting what we can do today with modernism.