I was just interested in seeing how many of u work in BIM or at least are going to in the foreseeable future. I just had a round of interesting interviews and one candidate told me he isnt interested in learning BIM. He is an older MEP engineer therefore either I hire him and get an intern to model his DWG for me. Or should I pass on him and find a BIM capable candidate?
reallynotmyname
Jun 18, 22 8:01 pm
Are you in the USA or somewhere else? A lot of professional engineers we work with in the USA can't or won't draft and rely on support staff for inputting everything into CAD and/or BIM.
newbie.Phronesis
Jun 18, 22 11:30 pm
^And most use AutoCAD only, unfortunately :/
reallynotmyname
Jun 18, 22 11:57 pm
Exactly, that's why I think the op may have a hard time hiring an employee licensed engineer in the US that knows how to use BIM.
arhiarhi design group
Jun 19, 22 1:14 am
Partly from USA. But I have people on remote. That gives me a bigger recruiting pool. The problem with adding an intern is I get two heads that can fight and the project output will suffer.
reallynotmyname
Jun 19, 22 10:20 am
Although it is predominant where I practice, I would not recommend the engineer + drafter workflow to anyone. It causes lots of production delays and documentation errors.
Chad Miller
Jun 20, 22 10:11 am
All of our engineers (except Civil) use BIM - Revit specifically.
Our firm is 100% Revit. We know how to use AutoCAD but don't produce any drawings with it.
axonapoplectic
Jun 19, 22 7:35 am
BIM has a very steep learning curve and it’s hard to find people with extensive project experience who can do production in it. And even if you do find that magical unicorn, they will very likely still need BIM production support.
Jovan Millet
Jun 20, 22 6:36 am
At our firm, we're making the transition to fully BIM (slowly but surely). At the moment, all of my projects are in Revit, and the newer ones that my colleagues have picked up are in Revit. Our structural engineer also uses Revit, but our MEP engineer is still using CAD (along with our Landscape Architect and Civil).
I don't mind it, as often times, I'm still coordinating efforts by hand anyway (via printing and physical redlining), but I do have some hope that newer generations of engineers will move to BIM. At the moment, the only advantage we're finding is that our architectural documents are quicker to produce, and with fewer internal errors. The coordination side still leaves a lot to be desired, hence why I still do that in analogue.
arhiarhi design group
Jun 20, 22 8:04 am
Coordinate by hand? Exactly?
ivanmillya
Jun 20, 22 1:44 pm
By that I mean I still print their drawings, and make physical redline markups, then scan and send those to them; if they're using Revit, I make sure they have the latest architectural model; if they're using ACAD, I make sure they have the latest CAD export plans to work from.
Non Sequitur
Jun 20, 22 8:14 am
We still balance both BIM and CAD, mainly because we're (ie. me) too busy to train existing staff to work efficiently in BIM. Our P.eng consultants vary but most structural is BIM but very little M&E is. I typically build the structural model and send it off to our P.eng who then return it to us once they've done their magic. It saves me a shit-ton of coordination hours because I've set slab edges and beam heights and whatever that suits the design.
Almosthip
Jun 20, 22 10:39 am
We switched to Revit about 10 years ago.
Chad Miller
Jun 20, 22 10:48 am
I switched over in 2008.
Almosthip
Jun 20, 22 10:51 am
We are actually very good at producing quality con docs and we are defiantly faster than we were in AutoCAD. It was a rough couple of years but thankfully the management was fully committed to a full switch. I would hate the revit/cad hybrid. So painfull whenever I need to use cad.
Non Sequitur
Jun 20, 22 11:10 am
I had a demo CD of revit in 2006. I was just getting over my FormZ hangover and diddling in ArchiCad at that time.
SneakyPete
Jun 20, 22 1:05 pm
I love the mental image of being defiantly faster.
Almosthip7
Jun 20, 22 2:39 pm
Haha it’s defiantly with distinctively faster.
RJ87
Jun 20, 22 2:22 pm
We're almost entirely CAD, but there are a few instances where we're starting to receive prototype drawings in Revit & it may become too much work to convert them. Eventually I'll probably learn more Revit, at present there's really no point other than "I'll probably use it more in the future". I worry less about what i'm using to draw & more about what i'm actually drawing.
arhiarhi design group
Jun 21, 22 4:33 pm
soooo....all in all.... either you have BIM capabilities for are planing soon.... there is no one planing to stick to .dwg 100%
Chad Miller
Jun 21, 22 4:39 pm
You're trying too hard.
atelier nobody
Jun 21, 22 5:26 pm
If you are hiring for a senior position, do you want someone whose career has been focused on getting good at using software or someone whose career has been focused on getting good at engineering?
Yes, there are some people out there who are good at both - you had better be willing to pay such a person the same as you would otherwise pay for both an engineer and a drafter.
Non Sequitur
Jun 21, 22 6:53 pm
All my P.Eng consultants use any warm body for drafting. I only deal with the principals who’s stamp is used… who ever actually did the drawings are unknown to us in most cases but even they are pretty bad at BIM on a good day.
axonapoplectic
Jun 21, 22 8:47 pm
I work for a large office. I can count on one hand the number people who i would go to for both project architect/manager level advice and revit advice. And often they haven’t
axonapoplectic
Jun 21, 22 8:48 pm
And often they will just say “go ask the revit support team.
axonapoplectic
Jun 21, 22 8:48 pm
And often they will just say “go ask the revit support team.
I was just interested in seeing how many of u work in BIM or at least are going to in the foreseeable future. I just had a round of interesting interviews and one candidate told me he isnt interested in learning BIM. He is an older MEP engineer therefore either I hire him and get an intern to model his DWG for me. Or should I pass on him and find a BIM capable candidate?
Are you in the USA or somewhere else? A lot of professional engineers we work with in the USA can't or won't draft and rely on support staff for inputting everything into CAD and/or BIM.
^And most use AutoCAD only, unfortunately :/
Exactly, that's why I think the op may have a hard time hiring an employee licensed engineer in the US that knows how to use BIM.
Partly from USA. But I have people on remote. That gives me a bigger recruiting pool. The problem with adding an intern is I get two heads that can fight and the project output will suffer.
Although it is predominant where I practice, I would not recommend the engineer + drafter workflow to anyone. It causes lots of production delays and documentation errors.
All of our engineers (except Civil) use BIM - Revit specifically.
Our firm is 100% Revit. We know how to use AutoCAD but don't produce any drawings with it.
BIM has a very steep learning curve and it’s hard to find people with extensive project experience who can do production in it. And even if you do find that magical unicorn, they will very likely still need BIM production support.
At our firm, we're making the transition to fully BIM (slowly but surely). At the moment, all of my projects are in Revit, and the newer ones that my colleagues have picked up are in Revit. Our structural engineer also uses Revit, but our MEP engineer is still using CAD (along with our Landscape Architect and Civil).
I don't mind it, as often times, I'm still coordinating efforts by hand anyway (via printing and physical redlining), but I do have some hope that newer generations of engineers will move to BIM. At the moment, the only advantage we're finding is that our architectural documents are quicker to produce, and with fewer internal errors. The coordination side still leaves a lot to be desired, hence why I still do that in analogue.
Coordinate by hand? Exactly?
By that I mean I still print their drawings, and make physical redline markups, then scan and send those to them; if they're using Revit, I make sure they have the latest architectural model; if they're using ACAD, I make sure they have the latest CAD export plans to work from.
We still balance both BIM and CAD, mainly because we're (ie. me) too busy to train existing staff to work efficiently in BIM. Our P.eng consultants vary but most structural is BIM but very little M&E is. I typically build the structural model and send it off to our P.eng who then return it to us once they've done their magic. It saves me a shit-ton of coordination hours because I've set slab edges and beam heights and whatever that suits the design.
We switched to Revit about 10 years ago.
I switched over in 2008.
We are actually very good at producing quality con docs and we are defiantly faster than we were in AutoCAD. It was a rough couple of years but thankfully the management was fully committed to a full switch. I would hate the revit/cad hybrid. So painfull whenever I need to use cad.
I had a demo CD of revit in 2006. I was just getting over my FormZ hangover and diddling in ArchiCad at that time.
I love the mental image of being defiantly faster.
Haha it’s defiantly with distinctively faster.
We're almost entirely CAD, but there are a few instances where we're starting to receive prototype drawings in Revit & it may become too much work to convert them. Eventually I'll probably learn more Revit, at present there's really no point other than "I'll probably use it more in the future". I worry less about what i'm using to draw & more about what i'm actually drawing.
soooo....all in all.... either you have BIM capabilities for are planing soon.... there is no one planing to stick to .dwg 100%
You're trying too hard.
If you are hiring for a senior position, do you want someone whose career has been focused on getting good at using software or someone whose career has been focused on getting good at engineering?
Yes, there are some people out there who are good at both - you had better be willing to pay such a person the same as you would otherwise pay for both an engineer and a drafter.
All my P.Eng consultants use any warm body for drafting. I only deal with the principals who’s stamp is used… who ever actually did the drawings are unknown to us in most cases but even they are pretty bad at BIM on a good day.
I work for a large office. I can count on one hand the number people who i would go to for both project architect/manager level advice and revit advice. And often they haven’t
And often they will just say “go ask the revit support team.
And often they will just say “go ask the revit support team.