forget gehry, this seems more like a project for elon musk.
Donna Sink
May 26, 22 11:00 pm
Here’s the letter I sent to AIA leadership tonight. I want a revolution that results in a caring world for all people.
Good evening all:
I sat in the restroom stall at my office today crying, because of the stories coming out of Robb Elementary School. I feel broken, and so angry.
I've been a registered architect for almost 20 years, and I know - I KNOW - that we cannot design a building to protect against a person who wants to use an assault rifle to kill children. The tweet from the Committee on Architecture Education from yesterday was a common sense and passionate response (yes something can be both sensible and passionate - do we not believe our buildings to be able to be both firm and delightful?) asking our political leaders to take *actual* action. I'm concerned over why this tweet caused the AIA CAE account to be locked? Theirs is a point of view I want to be widely, loudly heard.
As a professional organization, we should *not* be advocating for "hardening" schools. We are architects for all people, and we should be advocating for a safe *society for* all people. And, I hesitate to say this because it sounds so mercenary, but: if we as architects advocate for "hardening" schools it makes us *look like* mercenaries, like we are eager to get projects turning our schools into prisons. I want no part of a professional organization that would put our own potential jobs ahead of the lives of our community's children.
I love being an AIA member. My local chapter, with our amazing leader Jason Shelley, is full of wonderful, hard-working, compassionate people who want to make the world a better place. I do not, in my heart, believe that turning our schools into prisons makes the world better. What I do believe is that we need to tell the politicians who advocate for hardening our schools that they need to look to gun control, not architects, to solve this heartbreaking and uniquely American problem.
Please. Let us take the correct stand.
Non Sequitur
May 27, 22 7:36 am
This:
Woot, so progressive, so intelligent, in the good old UsOFa... sad trombone.
sameolddoctor
May 27, 22 11:54 am
NS, we do not need your sarcastic humor right now, its just too soon. We all know how fucked up this country is, and we do not need to be reminded. Thanks.
Donna Sink
May 27, 22 12:33 pm
sameold, I understand where your comment is coming from but I think we CAN’T stop talking about it until things change.
Non Sequitur
May 27, 22 12:39 pm
sameold, staying silent and not poking at the glaring problems will not solve anything. It's times like these you (global you) need to be reminded. On another note, 2 police shot and killed some teen in Toronto the day after this latest 2A clusterfuck demonstration because they thought the kid was carrying a riffle. Since they can't confirm that there actually was a riffle (investigation pending....), it's likely safer to assume it was, I don't know, a hockey stick perhaps?
,,,,
May 27, 22 12:52 pm
Donna, what is infuriating is that even if they were to do that it and it could somehow work, the tragedy would move to busses, loading zones, and athletic fields. It is the type of weapon and magazine period. Anything else won't work period.
Non Sequitur
May 27, 22 1:07 pm
^it's the weapons. ALL THE WEAPONS. period. Stop promoting your shitty 2A and stop normalizing the carry/purchase/ownership or weapons AND figure out your health care so that help is available/affordable. Then maybe you can join the rest of developed world and stop being such a sad a pathetic "proud" country.
SneakyPete
May 27, 22 1:20 pm
I hate the feeling of knowing you're right but STILL wanting to argue since I live here.
b3tadine[sutures]
May 27, 22 1:28 pm
You gotta love the AIA, we won't get rid of the Nazis in our organization, but we'll block you from viewing our tweets.
b3tadine[sutures]
May 27, 22 1:29 pm
Now that puckering asshole, Ted Cruz, is wanting to impose his fomenting shit pipe into the architecture arena.
Almosthip
May 27, 22 1:32 pm
I can stand behind this
,,,,
May 27, 22 2:54 pm
NS, if it was up to me I would melt them all down and turn them into 10 for a dollar s***ware, but I am realistic and will settle for getting rid of this particular type.
sameolddoctor
May 27, 22 4:47 pm
Donna and NS, Im not saying we do not need to talk. But having a kid in 4th grade, AND my wife having been victim of gun violence in the past, make me dislike such memes as posted. That said, yes I will not stop the discussion how how guns need to be banned, and vehemently kicking in the nuts any talk about how guns are an integral part of America.
And lets not forget, the Texans are allowing the fucking NRA convention to happen 300 miles from Uvalde, same place where 18 ugly, fat police officers stood in the hallway waiting for keys when babies were being murdered. Disgusting
sameolddoctor
May 27, 22 4:50 pm
Also, even though the healthcare system is so fucked up here, Obamacare has been a boon for millions and millions, and a step in the right direction. If they could get that bill thru the healthcare companies and thousands of lobbies, I am sure they can pass some meaningful gun legislation. But will they? I dont think so. Everyone in the right places has been paid off by the Arms manufacturers.
proto
May 29, 22 11:01 am
RE: that meme on abortion/gun access: while it expresses something that may provide a little emotional retort…there is no reason to allow that strategy on abortion access to have any credence…kinda like wishing a mass shooting on the NRA convention or Congress…don’t go there; we’re better than that
Almosthip7
May 29, 22 12:12 pm
Proto ..the point of the abortion rant is simple. Make it harder to have access to guns and make it easier for wines to control what happens to their bodies. Plain and simple.
Almosthip7
May 29, 22 12:24 pm
*Women….or women with wine. Lol
nabrU
May 27, 22 9:34 pm
Joris Bhonsons jacobs on a plate
Le Courvoisier
May 28, 22 1:56 pm
Balkins shut up already.
SneakyPete
May 28, 22 5:35 pm
You're not worth debating because you haven't the mental capacity to imagine that you are wrong.
,,,,
May 28, 22 8:43 pm
You do not have the right to own a gun outside of the context of a well regulated militia. This is a fraud perpetrated by the NRA according to Chief Justice Burger. Why don't you move to another country and take your guns with you.
,,,,
May 28, 22 8:45 pm
And don't let the screen door hit you on the way out.
SneakyPete
May 28, 22 10:23 pm
You keep clinging to the gun that has no purpose but to kill. You'll never be part of a militia because that is a fantasy dreamed up by bad actors to get you onboard the murder train. You're a deluded fool frightened into justifying the murder of kids by people smarter and more evil than you are.
SneakyPete
May 28, 22 10:25 pm
The parents wanted to go in and save their kids. The cops prevented that. Where was the militia that justifies murder toys? Where was the good guy with a gun? Too chicken shit to go in, even though he had a prosthetic dick in the holster. All you gun nuts are fucking sick.
,,,,
May 28, 22 11:31 pm
That was a 5 to 4 decision with 2 dissenting opinions in addition to Chief Justice Burger's opinion. You are not nor have you ever served in the military. You have no formal military training and would undoubtedly be an unmitigated disaster in any conflict. A well regulated militia would include a chain of command, training and manuvers. Name one of those your militia has or has done. Instead you regurgitate every pathetic bs excuse the NRA has ever given for having guns.
SneakyPete
May 29, 22 1:44 am
You're not fit for the boy scouts much less the military.
SneakyPete
May 29, 22 7:49 pm
I have no interest in knowing you.
SneakyPete
May 30, 22 12:46 am
I'll agree you're a misguided idiot. A useful fool. A great example why anyone being allowed guns is a terrible idea.
STRATA
May 29, 22 12:26 am
it's an incel problem, but the mainstream seems either oblivious to it and/or embarrassed about reporting on the phenomena. the pattern and history is well documented. the u.s. is great for using euphemisms, so the media and politicians use "mental health issue". the gun lobby must love this slant since it downplays their responsibility.
1. repeal 2nd amendment as it's clearly antiquated. no longer the design intent. establish a buy back program.
2. high-powered guns for military only. handguns for police powers and boarder control only. hunting rifles per point 3.
3. hunting type guns kept secure at hunting grounds. electronic fencing and electronic tagging of guns. weapons never leave facility.
4. those caught w/ black market guns to be severely punished. some countries use death penalty for drug related offences for instance.
5. decriminalize sex industry workers w/ regulated restrictions not unlike western counterparts such as germany, denmark, etc...
i pitched this to congressperson at some point. not even a stock email response. as lecorbusier said: "i am right!"
Murder toys aren't the reason we are (allegedly) a democracy.
Le Courvoisier
May 29, 22 7:56 am
I see Balkins didn’t take my advice.
proto
May 29, 22 11:12 am
Balkins here represents a very real group of people who are misguided about the 2A & have been gaslit & propagandized over 40yrs by the gun lobby. In the face of obvious data & experience, they desperately insist guns aren’t a problem. It’s sad & maddening.
LBJ proposed sensible gun safety proposals back in the 60s. There’s nothing new here. We know they are dangerous. The NRA doesn’t even allow people to go to the convention armed. The competing dual reality of “guns aren’t dangerous” & “I need guns to defend myself” is just staggering.
I believe there are reasonable conditions for civilian gun ownership; but firearms are sorely under regulated and state led policy is a losing game for the country.
Raise the age to buy semi-auto guns (any format) to 25 (same age as car rental).
Require a national license for guns only obtainable with a 4wk waiting period training course and a background check.
Create a proper database that the ATF can use to trace guns. Allow science based research for public health policy.
Public health should be properly funded. Mental health, social work etc
Let these work for 10 years and see if that isn’t fully workable for current gun owners. My guess is they can live with these.
proto
May 29, 22 11:25 am
There is a parallel problem of extremist nationalism that goes hand in hand with extremist gun proponents. Private militias, “patriotism” in the name of & at odds with US law; fetishizing firearms and prepping for fantasy apocalypse; cosplaying military (gravy seals); misunderstanding the court tested precedents showing extent of personal rights vs public benefit; pushing a rural/urban divide…all propped up by bad faith political & media actors who profit by publishing over-sensationalized fear-mongering half truths to further their personal bank accounts. NRA, Fox News, OAN, daytime talk radio (Limbaugh).
Le Courvoisier
May 29, 22 8:58 pm
I’m starting to think Balkins wrote that AIA statement. Both use multiple paragraphs to say absolutely nothing that contributes to the conversation.
Non Sequitur
May 30, 22 5:56 am
new concept. Let’s all vote for Balkins to speak at the next NRA orgy, or whatever you guys do to show off murder toy collections. 42 seconds of his rant will instantly convince everyone that murder toys need to be excessively controlled.
,,,,
May 30, 22 6:42 am
These walls of text have rendered this thread incomprehensible.
This is an example of someone who abuses a privilege.
This is someone who believes their rights are more important than anyone elses rights be it speech or 2A.
Non Sequitur
May 30, 22 6:55 am
My freedom of speech is limited and I have no 2A rights yet am thriving.... ummm
,,,,
May 30, 22 7:17 am
What about the hordes of Eskimos on your northern border? They will take
your job and f*** your women.
Non Sequitur
May 30, 22 8:26 am
It's summer, them dog sleds don't work without snow. We only worry about the far north invasion in winter but by then we'll have stocked up on sharpened broken hockey sticks.
Non Sequitur
May 30, 22 4:35 pm
It is if you believe in the "right" to own murder toys. Good thing for me I live in a place that cares about such things.
,,,,
May 30, 22 4:45 pm
He also believes in the right to give people covid.
Non Sequitur
May 30, 22 4:53 pm
Z1, according to X, covid never existed.
,,,,
May 30, 22 4:39 pm
I worked on schools for a number of years.
I look back on that time with a great deal of pride.
Imo the idea of hardening them into a prison environments is wrong headed and would be ineffective.
STRATA
May 30, 22 5:34 pm
canadians are quite reasonable and rational. after the montreal poly massacre in '89, which was a pre-internet incel case btw, they quickly established prudent gun control laws. many schools in other countries have guarded, single-point entries with fairly solid perimeters other than exits w/ panic hardware ideally. the architects of post-war schools in the u.s. would never have imagined this new safety design determinant to be considered. nothing wrong with learning about other successful models be it built environment strategies and/or policy. i realize there's a question of scale since canada is about 10% of the u.s. population for example. more of our peeps should be in the business of policy making because of how such matters tie in w/ buildings and infrastructure. singapore, curitiba, and others became better cities via leaders w/ architectural training. i know this has become a candid, hot topic, but i think we would all agree, we want a reasonable balance between personal freedom and life safety. how this takes shape moving forward is anyone's guess. tragically, for now, life safety is at the forefront. peace.
Non Sequitur
May 30, 22 5:43 pm
Well, that did not take long.
So I'm out of power/internet for 8 days (yay tornado, must be because of all the gays and canada geese - Xjla) and my fun is cut short? what gives dawg?
There is no limit on ideas to be offered.
forget gehry, this seems more like a project for elon musk.
Here’s the letter I sent to AIA leadership tonight. I want a revolution that results in a caring world for all people.
Good evening all:
I sat in the restroom stall at my office today crying, because of the stories coming out of Robb Elementary School. I feel broken, and so angry.
I've been a registered architect for almost 20 years, and I know - I KNOW - that we cannot design a building to protect against a person who wants to use an assault rifle to kill children. The tweet from the Committee on Architecture Education from yesterday was a common sense and passionate response (yes something can be both sensible and passionate - do we not believe our buildings to be able to be both firm and delightful?) asking our political leaders to take *actual* action. I'm concerned over why this tweet caused the AIA CAE account to be locked? Theirs is a point of view I want to be widely, loudly heard.
As a professional organization, we should *not* be advocating for "hardening" schools. We are architects for all people, and we should be advocating for a safe *society for* all people. And, I hesitate to say this because it sounds so mercenary, but: if we as architects advocate for "hardening" schools it makes us *look like* mercenaries, like we are eager to get projects turning our schools into prisons. I want no part of a professional organization that would put our own potential jobs ahead of the lives of our community's children.
I love being an AIA member. My local chapter, with our amazing leader Jason Shelley, is full of wonderful, hard-working, compassionate people who want to make the world a better place. I do not, in my heart, believe that turning our schools into prisons makes the world better. What I do believe is that we need to tell the politicians who advocate for hardening our schools that they need to look to gun control, not architects, to solve this heartbreaking and uniquely American problem.
Please. Let us take the correct stand.
This:
Woot, so progressive, so intelligent, in the good old UsOFa... sad trombone.
NS, we do not need your sarcastic humor right now, its just too soon. We all know how fucked up this country is, and we do not need to be reminded. Thanks.
sameold, I understand where your comment is coming from but I think we CAN’T stop talking about it until things change.
sameold, staying silent and not poking at the glaring problems will not solve anything. It's times like these you (global you) need to be reminded. On another note, 2 police shot and killed some teen in Toronto the day after this latest 2A clusterfuck demonstration because they thought the kid was carrying a riffle. Since they can't confirm that there actually was a riffle (investigation pending....), it's likely safer to assume it was, I don't know, a hockey stick perhaps?
Donna, what is infuriating is that even if they were to do that it and it could somehow work, the tragedy would move to busses, loading zones, and athletic fields. It is the type of weapon and magazine period. Anything else won't work period.
^it's the weapons. ALL THE WEAPONS. period. Stop promoting your shitty 2A and stop normalizing the carry/purchase/ownership or weapons AND figure out your health care so that help is available/affordable. Then maybe you can join the rest of developed world and stop being such a sad a pathetic "proud" country.
I hate the feeling of knowing you're right but STILL wanting to argue since I live here.
You gotta love the AIA, we won't get rid of the Nazis in our organization, but we'll block you from viewing our tweets.
Now that puckering asshole, Ted Cruz, is wanting to impose his fomenting shit pipe into the architecture arena.
I can stand behind this
NS, if it was up to me I would melt them all down and turn them into 10 for a dollar s***ware, but I am realistic and will settle for getting rid of this particular type.
Donna and NS, Im not saying we do not need to talk. But having a kid in 4th grade, AND my wife having been victim of gun violence in the past, make me dislike such memes as posted. That said, yes I will not stop the discussion how how guns need to be banned, and vehemently kicking in the nuts any talk about how guns are an integral part of America.
And lets not forget, the Texans are allowing the fucking NRA convention to happen 300 miles from Uvalde, same place where 18 ugly, fat police officers stood in the hallway waiting for keys when babies were being murdered. Disgusting
Also, even though the healthcare system is so fucked up here, Obamacare has been a boon for millions and millions, and a step in the right direction. If they could get that bill thru the healthcare companies and thousands of lobbies, I am sure they can pass some meaningful gun legislation. But will they? I dont think so. Everyone in the right places has been paid off by the Arms manufacturers.
RE: that meme on abortion/gun access: while it expresses something that may provide a little emotional retort…there is no reason to allow that strategy on abortion access to have any credence…kinda like wishing a mass shooting on the NRA convention or Congress…don’t go there; we’re better than that
Proto ..the point of the abortion rant is simple. Make it harder to have access to guns and make it easier for wines to control what happens to their bodies. Plain and simple.
*Women….or women with wine. Lol
Joris Bhonsons jacobs on a plate
Balkins shut up already.
You're not worth debating because you haven't the mental capacity to imagine that you are wrong.
You do not have the right to own a gun outside of the context of a well regulated militia. This is a fraud perpetrated by the NRA according to Chief Justice Burger. Why don't you move to another country and take your guns with you.
And don't let the screen door hit you on the way out.
You keep clinging to the gun that has no purpose but to kill. You'll never be part of a militia because that is a fantasy dreamed up by bad actors to get you onboard the murder train. You're a deluded fool frightened into justifying the murder of kids by people smarter and more evil than you are.
The parents wanted to go in and save their kids. The cops prevented that. Where was the militia that justifies murder toys? Where was the good guy with a gun? Too chicken shit to go in, even though he had a prosthetic dick in the holster. All you gun nuts are fucking sick.
That was a 5 to 4 decision with 2 dissenting opinions in addition to Chief Justice Burger's opinion. You are not nor have you ever served in the military. You have no formal military training and would undoubtedly be an unmitigated disaster in any conflict. A well regulated militia would include a chain of command, training and manuvers. Name one of those your militia has or has done. Instead you regurgitate every pathetic bs excuse the NRA has ever given for having guns.
You're not fit for the boy scouts much less the military.
I have no interest in knowing you.
I'll agree you're a misguided idiot. A useful fool. A great example why anyone being allowed guns is a terrible idea.
it's an incel problem, but the mainstream seems either oblivious to it and/or embarrassed about reporting on the phenomena. the pattern and history is well documented. the u.s. is great for using euphemisms, so the media and politicians use "mental health issue". the gun lobby must love this slant since it downplays their responsibility.
1. repeal 2nd amendment as it's clearly antiquated. no longer the design intent. establish a buy back program.
2. high-powered guns for military only. handguns for police powers and boarder control only. hunting rifles per point 3.
3. hunting type guns kept secure at hunting grounds. electronic fencing and electronic tagging of guns. weapons never leave facility.
4. those caught w/ black market guns to be severely punished. some countries use death penalty for drug related offences for instance.
5. decriminalize sex industry workers w/ regulated restrictions not unlike western counterparts such as germany, denmark, etc...
i pitched this to congressperson at some point. not even a stock email response. as lecorbusier said: "i am right!"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/05/28/uvalde-texas-gunman-online-threats/
Murder toys aren't the reason we are (allegedly) a democracy.
I see Balkins didn’t take my advice.
Balkins here represents a very real group of people who are misguided about the 2A & have been gaslit & propagandized over 40yrs by the gun lobby. In the face of obvious data & experience, they desperately insist guns aren’t a problem. It’s sad & maddening.
LBJ proposed sensible gun safety proposals back in the 60s. There’s nothing new here. We know they are dangerous. The NRA doesn’t even allow people to go to the convention armed. The competing dual reality of “guns aren’t dangerous” & “I need guns to defend myself” is just staggering.
I believe there are reasonable conditions for civilian gun ownership; but firearms are sorely under regulated and state led policy is a losing game for the country.
Raise the age to buy semi-auto guns (any format) to 25 (same age as car rental).
Require a national license for guns only obtainable with a 4wk waiting period training course and a background check.
Create a proper database that the ATF can use to trace guns. Allow science based research for public health policy.
Public health should be properly funded. Mental health, social work etc
Let these work for 10 years and see if that isn’t fully workable for current gun owners. My guess is they can live with these.
There is a parallel problem of extremist nationalism that goes hand in hand with extremist gun proponents. Private militias, “patriotism” in the name of & at odds with US law; fetishizing firearms and prepping for fantasy apocalypse; cosplaying military (gravy seals); misunderstanding the court tested precedents showing extent of personal rights vs public benefit; pushing a rural/urban divide…all propped up by bad faith political & media actors who profit by publishing over-sensationalized fear-mongering half truths to further their personal bank accounts. NRA, Fox News, OAN, daytime talk radio (Limbaugh).
I’m starting to think Balkins wrote that AIA statement. Both use multiple paragraphs to say absolutely nothing that contributes to the conversation.
new concept. Let’s all vote for Balkins to speak at the next NRA orgy, or whatever you guys do to show off murder toy collections. 42 seconds of his rant will instantly convince everyone that murder toys need to be excessively controlled.
These walls of text have rendered this thread incomprehensible.
This is an example of someone who abuses a privilege.
This is someone who believes their rights are more important than anyone elses rights be it speech or 2A.
My freedom of speech is limited and I have no 2A rights yet am thriving.... ummm
What about the hordes of Eskimos on your northern border? They will take
your job and f*** your women.
It's summer, them dog sleds don't work without snow. We only worry about the far north invasion in winter but by then we'll have stocked up on sharpened broken hockey sticks.
It is if you believe in the "right" to own murder toys. Good thing for me I live in a place that cares about such things.
He also believes in the right to give people covid.
Z1, according to X, covid never existed.
I worked on schools for a number of years.
I look back on that time with a great deal of pride.
Imo the idea of hardening them into a prison environments is wrong headed and would be ineffective.
canadians are quite reasonable and rational. after the montreal poly massacre in '89, which was a pre-internet incel case btw, they quickly established prudent gun control laws. many schools in other countries have guarded, single-point entries with fairly solid perimeters other than exits w/ panic hardware ideally. the architects of post-war schools in the u.s. would never have imagined this new safety design determinant to be considered. nothing wrong with learning about other successful models be it built environment strategies and/or policy. i realize there's a question of scale since canada is about 10% of the u.s. population for example. more of our peeps should be in the business of policy making because of how such matters tie in w/ buildings and infrastructure. singapore, curitiba, and others became better cities via leaders w/ architectural training. i know this has become a candid, hot topic, but i think we would all agree, we want a reasonable balance between personal freedom and life safety. how this takes shape moving forward is anyone's guess. tragically, for now, life safety is at the forefront. peace.
Well, that did not take long.
So I'm out of power/internet for 8 days (yay tornado, must be because of all the gays and canada geese - Xjla) and my fun is cut short? what gives dawg?
Who puts tornadoes in Canada?
The homosexual agenda?