Vaguely racially insensitive, but no idea what country it is in so maybe not. +1 for novelty, even among duck buildings. -1 for the rendition of that woman's face.
Miles Jaffe
Jun 29, 21 1:13 pm
Misssissippi, of course.
Miles Jaffe
Jun 29, 21 9:16 am
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archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 12:40 pm
This one is sublime. There's drawings of it around somewhere I think...
Is the Statue of Liberty actually a duck building? Discuss:
,,,,
Jun 29, 21 11:56 am
It depends on how one defines a building.
Everyday Architect
Jun 29, 21 12:20 pm
On a quite specific definition ... does it have a C of O?
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 12:36 pm
To EA - yes there's a museum in there and you used to be able to go all the way up to the torch, no? Not sure about after the installment of 9/11 fascist security state though.
Everyday Architect
Jun 29, 21 2:08 pm
I know, I figured that's probably one really quick way to define a building.
joseffischer
Jun 29, 21 3:18 pm
if the C of O/occupiable part is only the base, then it's not a duck building and just has a humongous statue on its roof.
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 11:44 am
Giving new meaning to piano nobile:
monosierra
Jun 29, 21 12:05 pm
Renzo would be proud.
Almosthip
Jun 29, 21 12:05 pm
Big Beaver in Beaverlodge Alberta
Everyday Architect
Jun 29, 21 12:25 pm
Building or sculpture?
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 12:45 pm
Not a duck, I think.
Almosthip
Jun 29, 21 12:55 pm
It is more of a sculpture, but you can go inside and change the light bulbs
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 1:11 pm
Do its eyes light up?
Everyday Architect
Jun 29, 21 2:09 pm
Light bulbs don't make a sculpture a building. Tell me when this gets a C of O.
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 5:10 pm
I think if a squatter took up residence this beaver could become a duck.
It's not necessarily the C of O, it's the acknowledgement that this is a place occupied by humans.
rcz1001
Jun 30, 21 2:40 am
Remember, there was a time when there was no such thing as certificate of occupancy and some buildings don't officially have any because they were built before such things existed but I would argue would probably have impeccable historical integrity.
SneakyPete
Jun 29, 21 12:08 pm
Anyone for a bombing run?
JLC-1
Jun 29, 21 12:21 pm
.
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 12:37 pm
I love this project, but it's kind of a sculpture isn't it?
JLC-1
Jun 29, 21 12:42 pm
so is the beaver, but they're both "built". Where's the line between sculpture and architecture? Where's the line between duck and fish?
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 12:44 pm
That's the real question, isn't it?
tduds
Jun 29, 21 1:56 pm
"Where's the line between sculpture and architecture?" Bathrooms.
JLC-1
Jun 29, 21 2:29 pm
this?
joseffischer
Jun 29, 21 3:20 pm
We do a lot of bathroom pavilions for DNR which I think are some of our better architecture... I sure hope they count as buildings
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 5:09 pm
I would love to do some public bathrooms for parks or DNR or whatever. Sounds dreamy.
Everyday Architect
Jun 30, 21 12:58 am
I've done one of those prefab restroom buildings for a public park. Pick your finishes and a few options, coordinate utilities and slab, shows up on site ready to be dropped into place. Biggest question was whether the owner was going to purchase it themselves, or if it was going to become part of the contractor's scope.
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 12:39 pm
A few more corporate bangers:
citizen
Aug 11, 21 8:07 pm
In that first one, Gehry's right: the fish really is an architectural form.
SneakyPete
Jun 29, 21 12:53 pm
Sponsored by Pornhub.
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 1:08 pm
It's almost too easy with some of these new buildings.
Miles Jaffe
Jun 29, 21 1:11 pm
Obviously suggestive but none qualify as novelty architecture.
tduds
Jun 29, 21 1:53 pm
These are dickorated sheds.
Miles Jaffe
Jun 29, 21 3:36 pm
.
rcz1001
Jun 30, 21 2:49 am
and
Almosthip
Jun 29, 21 12:57 pm
Here is a dinosaur you can climb in and look out the mouth, Drumheller Alberta
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 1:09 pm
Love it! Plus everyone know ducks descended from dinosaurs.
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 1:09 pm
Another habitable dino duck:
tduds
Jun 29, 21 1:55 pm
As made famous by PeeWee
Non Sequitur
Jun 29, 21 2:55 pm
I've been to that drumheller one.
Almosthip
Jun 29, 21 3:17 pm
Got pictures of my 3 littles at the top and each one under its talons
atelier nobody
Jul 2, 21 2:32 am
We used to drive past the Cabazon dinosaurs a couple times a year on our way to & from family camping trips - NOT EVEN ONCE would my dad stop and let us play inside the dinosaurs.
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 1:14 pm
Boats seem like a specific subset of ducks, and given the relationship between marine technology/ boatbuilding and modern architecture, there's probably more research to be done here:
atelier nobody
Jun 29, 21 3:34 pm
The Coke Boat
archanonymous
Jun 30, 21 8:18 pm
I'm not sure the Coke Boat is fully a duck.
But damn it is a beautiful building.
Miles Jaffe
Jun 29, 21 1:23 pm
Church, Taiwan. The Patron Saint must be Imelda Marcos.
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 1:53 pm
Pointy.
SneakyPete
Jun 29, 21 2:38 pm
Torn down recently.
archanonymous
Jun 29, 21 2:49 pm
Where are the preservationists when you really need them?
Non Sequitur
Jun 29, 21 2:59 pm
Does this toilet-house count as a duck? Asking for a friend.
,,,,
Jun 29, 21 3:14 pm
Are you shitting
me?
joseffischer
Jun 29, 21 3:21 pm
omg, can't be unseen now
SneakyPete
Jun 30, 21 12:15 pm
Haven Hall at Syracuse looks like a toilet as well.
rcz1001
Jun 29, 21 11:23 pm
WHAT THE *BEEP*........
Okay. joking there.
natematt
Jun 30, 21 12:15 am
From the so called "Artichoke Center of the World," in Castroville, California.
Get the deep fried artichoke hearts.
archanonymous
Jun 30, 21 7:25 am
I've been here - couldn't find an image. Great artichoke hearts.
natematt
Jun 30, 21 11:44 am
It wasn't that hard, just googled world's largest artichoke. Have some photos somewhere, but didn't feel like digging. h
a.
archanonymous
Jun 30, 21 2:56 pm
Ha yeah - I was looking back through old photos. I guess at a certain point I wasn't looking that hard, just reminiscing.
Miles Jaffe
Jun 30, 21 1:17 am
Elephant Building, Bangkok.
randomised
Jun 30, 21 2:15 am
The Domestikator by Atelier van Lieshout
joseffischer
Jun 30, 21 3:38 pm
x-rated minecraft
Gary Garvin
Jul 1, 21 4:21 pm
Old MacDonald had a farm Ee i ee i—OW!
citizen
Aug 11, 21 8:10 pm
I hope the one in back is wearing a condo.
rcz1001
Jun 30, 21 2:37 am
radomised..... is that appropriate to reference in 2021 since the #MeToo movement?
randomised
Jun 30, 21 8:24 am
Yes, the boxes are humped voluntarily Rick.
Non Sequitur
Jun 30, 21 9:22 am
Looks consensual to me.
randomised
Jun 30, 21 12:10 pm
Consensual, that’s the word I was looking for!
Wood Guy
Jun 30, 21 3:10 pm
I always forget, is the "#" pronounced "pound" or "hashtag?" #MeToo
tduds
Jun 30, 21 3:23 pm
Technically it should be pronounced "Hash" but I've long since lost that semantic debate.
rcz1001
Jun 30, 21 3:35 pm
Technically, the "hash" or "hashtag" is called pound in ASCII tables and it's not to be confused with the British pound symbol. The # symbol back in the 1960s/70s was used as the symbol for the weight unit called pound other than the lb.
In social media parlance, it is referred to as hash or hashtag which is also what the symbol is called when NOT used to refer to the weight unit of pound. It actually pronounced pound, hash or hashtag. Context matters.
Additionally, it was also known as the Number sign.
When this symbol was incorporated into computers and being used, those of us that invented computers and brought it to the masses (such as us who invented the software you use since its first version.... programmers/software developers), we usually refer to it as the pound or number sign as that was really how and what that symbol was used for because the first software other than games were generally software for managing finances, inventory, etc. for businesses..... after all, the computers in the 1960s and 70s were still primarily used for businesses. Today's internet/web social media culture did not exist yet.
rcz1001
Jun 30, 21 3:43 pm
You are correct to use any of those pronounciation when applied in the correct context. In Unicode, they refer to # as the Number sign to avoid using a name similar to the Pound symbol (used for the British currency). Classic ASCII didn't normally have both symbols. Commodore's PETSCII had both and they will sometimes in publications refer to the # as either number sign or pound sign but the British pound symbol as British Pound sign but I do recall that the Commodore publications refer to the # as Number sign to avoid confusion but computers like IBM PC and MS-DOS publications in the old ASCII and ANSI days called the # as number sign or pound.
Remember telephones and the pound key. That's its original usage in computers.
Non Sequitur
Jun 30, 21 3:51 pm
But Ricky, do please let us know your feelings on the correct prononciation of gif while we’re here.
rcz1001
Jun 30, 21 3:52 pm
# number sign not to be confused with Numero symbol/sign. but sometimes is used interchangeably.
tduds
Jun 30, 21 4:01 pm
Why use 10 words when 400 will suffice?
archanonymous
Jun 30, 21 12:33 pm
Love this one.
archanonymous
Jun 30, 21 12:33 pm
I guarantee you those silos don't have a certificate of occupancy, but I'd still call them ducks, not sculptures.
Everyday Architect
Jun 30, 21 2:31 pm
This thread will make some future undergrad architecture student's day.
Wait, who am I kidding? Future undergrad students don't know how to use the search function.
Miles Jaffe
Jun 30, 21 3:02 pm
Low budget novelty architecture.
Gary Garvin
Jun 30, 21 4:43 pm
Childhood memory:
SneakyPete
Jun 30, 21 5:23 pm
Similar for me:
Gary Garvin
Jun 30, 21 6:34 pm
There used to be a boat house next to it.
archanonymous
Jun 30, 21 6:50 pm
Hmmm. If you take a house boat and put it on land is it then a duck building, or just a boat on land?
Gary Garvin
Jun 30, 21 8:04 pm
Not a houseboat or a boathouse but a house that was built to look like a boat.
archanonymous
Jun 30, 21 8:16 pm
In that case, definitely a duck.
However, I am still curious about the answer to my initial question.
Gary Garvin
Jun 30, 21 5:23 pm
Snail House, Bulgaria:
Gary Garvin
Jun 30, 21 5:25 pm
(Note the duck.)
archanonymous
Jun 30, 21 6:49 pm
A true work of art.
Gary Garvin
Jun 30, 21 8:07 pm
I guess the duck makes this a decorated duck, i.e. a "duck" decorated with a duck.
midlander
Jul 1, 21 9:57 am
(note the sad small penis)
Nam Henderson
Jul 15, 21 11:44 pm
This is like a stereotypical bad trip...is that a all melting face/slug? Presumably intended to be playful?
! The only credit I saw for that was to Gehry. And it’s not as if Claes has any influence on my work.
randomised
Aug 12, 21 4:17 pm
*Claes and Coosje
natematt
Aug 12, 21 7:32 pm
Based on the link tduts provided, it would seem as though this is a duck? Am I mistaken?
Everyday Architect
Aug 12, 21 8:06 pm
^that's cool. I didn't know you could go inside them like that. Getting closer to a duck, but I still wouldn't consider it a duck. It's still just a very small (albeit cool) portion of the building. The rest of the building is definitely not "duck." Maybe there is a Venn diagram with "building" as one circle, "occupiable sculpture" as the other circle and the portion where they overlap is "duck." This seems within the set of occupiable sculpture, but outside the portion for duck.
natematt
Aug 12, 21 8:24 pm
I think you're underestimating how duck it is. You can see the door to the other side, both of them appear to be spaces (as also indicated by Tduds link). They are integrated very intentionally into the building and intended as functional program, I'd argue they are far more duck than say the shoe examples above, which are novelty "play" houses for children and not real buildings. the link provided by tduds also clarifies the intention of them being buildings, which is a pretty duck thing to do. A duck will always have non-functional aspects, such as the actual neck and head for the outright ducks, I think that this is essentially as duck as that.
Occupiable space:
Miles Jaffe
Aug 12, 21 8:36 pm
So this is really a collaboration between Gehry and Claes (and Coosje). That giant hanging bulb is awesome.
Everyday Architect
Aug 13, 21 12:37 am
The measure of how "duck" a building is isn't in how well the building incorporates functional program into an otherwise unusual form. The original intent behind the duck vs. decorated shed comparison is regarding the structure's communication of intent or meaning. The original duck building was a building to sell ducks and eggs ... it's meaning was unmistakable because of it's form. The architecture communicated the intent through innate symbolism. The decorated shed on the other hand has not innately communicative form and instead relies on signage or other applied symbols to convey the intent of the architecture.
I'd agree with you that many of the examples given on this thread may not be ducks, but rather novelty or some type of kitschy architectural folly (follies could be deserving of their own thread). I think the binoculars here fall into that same category of novelty architecture, but not a duck. That doesn't mean it isn't integrated or useful in the overall architecture, but the binoculars don't impart any particular meaning on the program of the building which was originally that of an advertising agency. Serendipitously they come closer to imparting meaning as office space for Google implying searching or finding through looking, but I still think it would be a stretch to claim it as a duck.
Even if Bushnell bought the building and moved in I still wouldn't call it a duck. I'd call it a cleverly decorated shed. The binoculars by themselves might be a duck, but when applied to the building behind them, they become decoration.
natematt
Aug 13, 21 2:35 am
Well, at the least, I think it's fair to say it's not a sculpture. (which, honestly wasn't sure about when you initially suggested it, because I really didn't know much about the building.)
Whether it is actually a duck or a decorated shed is a better conflict. I found, and now have lost a video of a woman explaining how it came to be binoculars, and it sounded rather happenstance, not something to make any sort of argument about meaning. However, I don't recall the duck being quite as you've put it. Pulling out my copy of LFLV, my take away would be that when "symbolic form" (and it does not seem to suggest that it is symbolic of the function), drives and space, structure, and program, it is a Duck. When the others serve a program, and decoration is applied, it's a decorated shed. I would argue this does the former more than the latter. As the symbolic form is binoculars, and the space, structure and program are all bent to serve the creation of that form. That said, they also say things can be both, and are pretty open ended about some of the examples, so maybe they weren't really sure what was or wasn't a duck themselves. I think your point about their connection to the larger building is more appropriate to disqualify it as a duck, or at least make it a weaker example.
Everyday Architect
Aug 13, 21 12:42 pm
I unfortunately don't have LFLV in my library to reference or to verify. I did include the video of Bob to help explain his thoughts on it which I think support my take on it ... though I'll admit his words may be based on cloudy recollection of what he and his coauthors wrote. I don't have a copy to verify.
I think the latter half of the video supports your conclusion, but I'd argue that it is based more on a discussion of form following function. I think duck vs. decorated shed is part of a discussion of form following function, but more importantly, duck vs. decorated shed is about form communicating function ... regardless of what it follows. Longaberger basket is definitely a duck, but its form isn't really following its function. Without the EIFS buildouts and handles, it would be a fairly banal office building and the form would probably be described as having followed economics. It is a duck however because the form communicated the function.
natematt
Aug 13, 21 4:33 pm
Sure. It's really a little lose, and I think it's more interesting how the architectural community choses to utilize the concept, more than just the person who came up with it (or popularized it, not sure). Anyway, in LVLV he called the Amiens Cathedral a duck and a decorated shed, so I would maintain that he's got a pretty open definition of either. I like the idea of it being a formal symbol just because that feels more useful to me. There are very few ducks in that definition. There are essentially none with communication of function requirement. But I can also see where that comes from, because the whole topic is largely around buildings as signs, so that makes sense. And there is something inherently very pure about that, which I do like.
Miles Jaffe
Aug 13, 21 7:27 pm
Leaving LV is reductio ad absurdum.
archanonymous
Sep 16, 21 1:40 pm
Just catching up on my own thread, to my horror, I've been working a lot again. I think I agree with EA and nate's reading of it. You should get to work on that venn diagram and post it up!
This was intended to be both a silly and a serious thread, so cheers to you two for delivering the goods on the serious side. What do you think about Gehry? Not his fishes, but just a normal work of his - Disney concert hall for example? I feel like it has so transcended the original structural/ architectural concept (or maybe he was playing the long game?) that it is now self-referentially symbolic of an important public building, and thus all his works in that vein, from Bilbao to LV have become ducks. Duck Simulacra or some shit.
I think Miles post below of the Native-American themed root beer stand is the same argument you were initially making about novelty in the binocular building, though instead of it being part of a building, it's a standalone novelty. Unless Native American head communicates root beer in some way I'm missing?
Regardless, love seeing all the weird architecture.
Everyday Architect
Sep 16, 21 7:11 pm
I've been thinking about the Big Chief Root Beer stand and I think I'd call it a legit duck. I can't say for certain because I don't know how well-known the brand was, but I think the form of the architecture communicates the brand much like the Longaberger Basket building does. It's maybe a small step removed because the basket for Longaberger is the product, where the root beer for Big Chief isn't necessarily represented in the form like the basket is ... but the branding is what is represented in a "duck" way.
I'm not sure what a contemporary example would be but I could imagine back in the 1930's that the Big Chief branding being well-known enough that when you see this on the side of the road you knew they were selling root beer because you recognize the branding.
Kansas City? Inscription on the photograph says Vancouver, Washington. Hangar in the background says Pearson Field which still exists in Vancouver.
Everyday Architect
Sep 16, 21 7:29 pm
So apparently the stand pictured is in Vancouver, WA but there was at least one other in Kansas City. It apparently operated as an A&W Root Beer Stand at one point as noted in the owner/operator's obituary.
Also of note, apparently correct way to refer to the thing is "the coney"!
archanonymous
Mar 28, 22 6:20 pm
Excellent, Nam!
I saw that article also, actually stopped at the Coney last summer and it was closed and in pretty sad shape.
Love the idea of irreverent cartoonists being the most impactful historic preservationists in Denver in a generation.
Nam Henderson
Mar 29, 22 12:29 am
Yeah we were up at Kenosha Lodge late last year and the Bun/Dog was looking sad. I've always loved turning the bend in road and seeing reminder of my younger days in actual Coney Island. The Casa Bonita news is frankly amazing...Never thought I'd have the reopening on my top rests. for 2022!
Orhan Ayyüce
Jun 2, 22 10:07 pm
hey ya captain!
archanonymous
Jun 4, 22 10:40 am
She's a beaut!
Is it two ships, or a catamaran?
I hope the doorbell is a ship's horn.
archanonymous
Nov 29, 22 5:54 pm
One for the ages.
Planetarium in Cuenca, Ecuador:
natematt
Nov 29, 22 9:19 pm
I will never be sad about this thread coming back to life.
Chad Miller
Nov 30, 22 1:05 pm
You would if I thought this was about duck hunting.
atelier nobody
Nov 30, 22 7:24 pm
Renaissance Duck:
archanonymous
Dec 1, 22 7:04 am
I'm not seeing the image - can you repost it?
ill_will
Dec 1, 22 3:06 pm
they didn't have .jpeg's back then
atelier nobody
Dec 1, 22 4:23 pm
Sorry, friends, it wouldn't let me delete or edit...pic posted below.
atelier nobody
Nov 30, 22 7:31 pm
Not precisely a duck, since it's imitating a different structure type (+ bonus cultural appropriation), but a Route 66 classic:
A place for the posting, analysis, and appreciation of all the fine duck buildings out there.
Here's a few classics:
Was going to post one and then realized this was the Bailey CO hot dog stand? Unless there are two like this in the state?
Some fine examples of newer corporate work:
A goose is still a duck, right? It does quack (rather viciously... not speaking from experience).
Can you inhabit the goose?
unfortunately no.... I have climbed it tho.
this is just an attenuated decorated shed where the shed (log cabin) is separated from the decoration (goose) by some distance
Here's a duck goose (as opposed to a shed goose):
But can you inhibit the goose?
From previous archinect threads, a potato, turtle, and cat:
I love that dumb turtle.
I almost spent the night in that potato a couple years ago. It's still on my list (it's outside Boise, as you might expect, and rentable on AirBNB)
The potato gives me weird sensory deprivation chamber vibes.
That last one gives me a weird Hejduk Berlin vibe
Willie the Whale, originally at the first public zoo of Indianapolis, has since been moved several times.
OMG, this is true art.
Ok, that was never at the Zoo when I went there. I feel cheated.
Vaguely racially insensitive, but no idea what country it is in so maybe not. +1 for novelty, even among duck buildings. -1 for the rendition of that woman's face.
Misssissippi, of course.
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This one is sublime. There's drawings of it around somewhere I think...
A few other dessert themed ducks:
https://archinect.com/news/art...
Oh lord, of course, I almost overlooked the arc.
Is the Statue of Liberty actually a duck building? Discuss:
It depends on how one defines a building.
On a quite specific definition ... does it have a C of O?
To EA - yes there's a museum in there and you used to be able to go all the way up to the torch, no? Not sure about after the installment of 9/11 fascist security state though.
I know, I figured that's probably one really quick way to define a building.
if the C of O/occupiable part is only the base, then it's not a duck building and just has a humongous statue on its roof.
Giving new meaning to piano nobile:
Renzo would be proud.
Big Beaver in Beaverlodge Alberta
Building or sculpture?
Not a duck, I think.
It is more of a sculpture, but you can go inside and change the light bulbs
Do its eyes light up?
Light bulbs don't make a sculpture a building. Tell me when this gets a C of O.
I think if a squatter took up residence this beaver could become a duck.
It's not necessarily the C of O, it's the acknowledgement that this is a place occupied by humans.
Remember, there was a time when there was no such thing as certificate of occupancy and some buildings don't officially have any because they were built before such things existed but I would argue would probably have impeccable historical integrity.
Anyone for a bombing run?
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I love this project, but it's kind of a sculpture isn't it?
so is the beaver, but they're both "built". Where's the line between sculpture and architecture? Where's the line between duck and fish?
That's the real question, isn't it?
"Where's the line between sculpture and architecture?" Bathrooms.
this?
We do a lot of bathroom pavilions for DNR which I think are some of our better architecture... I sure hope they count as buildings
I would love to do some public bathrooms for parks or DNR or whatever. Sounds dreamy.
I've done one of those prefab restroom buildings for a public park. Pick your finishes and a few options, coordinate utilities and slab, shows up on site ready to be dropped into place. Biggest question was whether the owner was going to purchase it themselves, or if it was going to become part of the contractor's scope.
A few more corporate bangers:
In that first one, Gehry's right: the fish really is an architectural form.
Sponsored by Pornhub.
It's almost too easy with some of these new buildings.
Obviously suggestive but none qualify as novelty architecture.
These are dickorated sheds.
.
and
Here is a dinosaur you can climb in and look out the mouth, Drumheller Alberta
Love it! Plus everyone know ducks descended from dinosaurs.
Another habitable dino duck:
As made famous by PeeWee
I've been to that drumheller one.
Got pictures of my 3 littles at the top and each one under its talons
We used to drive past the Cabazon dinosaurs a couple times a year on our way to & from family camping trips - NOT EVEN ONCE would my dad stop and let us play inside the dinosaurs.
Boats seem like a specific subset of ducks, and given the relationship between marine technology/ boatbuilding and modern architecture, there's probably more research to be done here:
The Coke Boat
I'm not sure the Coke Boat is fully a duck.
But damn it is a beautiful building.
Church, Taiwan. The Patron Saint must be Imelda Marcos.
Pointy.
Torn down recently.
Where are the preservationists when you really need them?
Does this toilet-house count as a duck? Asking for a friend.
Are you shitting
me?
omg, can't be unseen now
Haven Hall at Syracuse looks like a toilet as well.
WHAT THE *BEEP*........
Okay. joking there.
From the so called "Artichoke Center of the World," in Castroville, California.
Get the deep fried artichoke hearts.
I've been here - couldn't find an image. Great artichoke hearts.
It wasn't that hard, just googled world's largest artichoke. Have some photos somewhere, but didn't feel like digging. h a.
Ha yeah - I was looking back through old photos. I guess at a certain point I wasn't looking that hard, just reminiscing.
Elephant Building, Bangkok.
The Domestikator by Atelier van Lieshout
x-rated minecraft
Old MacDonald had a farm
Ee i ee i—OW!
I hope the one in back is wearing a condo.
radomised..... is that appropriate to reference in 2021 since the #MeToo movement?
Yes, the boxes are humped voluntarily Rick.
Looks consensual to me.
Consensual, that’s the word I was looking for!
I always forget, is the "#" pronounced "pound" or "hashtag?" #MeToo
Technically it should be pronounced "Hash" but I've long since lost that semantic debate.
Technically, the "hash" or "hashtag" is called pound in ASCII tables and it's not to be confused with the British pound symbol. The # symbol back in the 1960s/70s was used as the symbol for the weight unit called pound other than the lb.
In social media parlance, it is referred to as hash or hashtag which is also what the symbol is called when NOT used to refer to the weight unit of pound. It actually pronounced pound, hash or hashtag. Context matters.
Additionally, it was also known as the Number sign.
When this symbol was incorporated into computers and being used, those of us that invented computers and brought it to the masses (such as us who invented the software you use since its first version.... programmers/software developers), we usually refer to it as the pound or number sign as that was really how and what that symbol was used for because the first software other than games were generally software for managing finances, inventory, etc. for businesses..... after all, the computers in the 1960s and 70s were still primarily used for businesses. Today's internet/web social media culture did not exist yet.
You are correct to use any of those pronounciation when applied in the correct context. In Unicode, they refer to # as the Number sign to avoid using a name similar to the Pound symbol (used for the British currency). Classic ASCII didn't normally have both symbols. Commodore's PETSCII had both and they will sometimes in publications refer to the # as either number sign or pound sign but the British pound symbol as British Pound sign but I do recall that the Commodore publications refer to the # as Number sign to avoid confusion but computers like IBM PC and MS-DOS publications in the old ASCII and ANSI days called the # as number sign or pound.
Remember telephones and the pound key. That's its original usage in computers.
But Ricky, do please let us know your feelings on the correct prononciation of gif while we’re here.
# number sign not to be confused with Numero symbol/sign. but sometimes is used interchangeably.
Why use 10 words when 400 will suffice?
Love this one.
I guarantee you those silos don't have a certificate of occupancy, but I'd still call them ducks, not sculptures.
This thread will make some future undergrad architecture student's day.
Wait, who am I kidding? Future undergrad students don't know how to use the search function.
Low budget novelty architecture.
Childhood memory:
Similar for me:
There used to be a boat house next to it.
Hmmm. If you take a house boat and put it on land is it then a duck building, or just a boat on land?
Not a houseboat or a boathouse but a house that was built to look like a boat.
In that case, definitely a duck.
However, I am still curious about the answer to my initial question.
Snail House, Bulgaria:
(Note the duck.)
A true work of art.
I guess the duck makes this a decorated duck, i.e. a "duck" decorated with a duck.
(note the sad small penis)
This is like a stereotypical bad trip...is that a all melting face/slug? Presumably intended to be playful?
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Photoshopped buildings need not apply: https://www.popwebdesign.net/popart_blog/en/2016/04/digital-manipulation-by-3d-architect-victor-enrich/
Crap. Reminded me of this
Miles, wasn't that a exhibition/sculptural piece on the UK? I fairly remember it but not by who.
Alex Chinneck
Tony Hawks house?
Oh Lord, I misread the title as Dick Central.
Now, should we create that thread?
look again at the snail house posted above...
We already have a Show Your Caulk thread - what more do you want?
Funny examples of architecture, but, unfortunately, they do not take your breath away. I'm a fan of the renaissance.
cool
I'm sure there are ducks from the renaissance period
Love fasting for ducks? I think you understand very well what I mean when I speak of Renaissance architecture.
Duck love & fasting? What are you going on about? This is a family-friendly site.
Duck Baby Band did a terrible cover of Berlin's 'Take My Breath Away'. Does that count for anything? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ky3Tc9qaz4
Duck? Duck? Goose.
Renaissance duck:
Quack quack
Regarding "ducks from the renaissance period" does this count (time-frame may be a bit off)?
Does this count?
I would say so. The original duck perhaps?
Example of classical duck:
a Greek mobile home.
How about?
via @seanw_m
Not for the squeamish!
The rear end of the duck.
In case you ever wondered. . . .
This was already posted in the thread but I just came across this view of the opposite side and... wow.
I'm a little disappointed no one has posted this Frankie G classic in LA.
Isn't this just a sculpture by Claes Oldenburg? Not really a duck IMHO. See above discussions debating other sculptures vs. buildings.
Yeah that’s just a Claes Oldenburg/Coosje van Bruggen sculpture...not really a duck
oh. i've never actually entered this building, only driven by it a number of times. You learn something new everyday.
Not Oldenburg.
Yes it is.
Not Oldenburg indeed, Oldenburg/Van Bruggen!
! The only credit I saw for that was to Gehry. And it’s not as if Claes has any influence on my work.
*Claes and Coosje
Based on the link tduts provided, it would seem as though this is a duck? Am I mistaken?
^that's cool. I didn't know you could go inside them like that. Getting closer to a duck, but I still wouldn't consider it a duck. It's still just a very small (albeit cool) portion of the building. The rest of the building is definitely not "duck." Maybe there is a Venn diagram with "building" as one circle, "occupiable sculpture" as the other circle and the portion where they overlap is "duck." This seems within the set of occupiable sculpture, but outside the portion for duck.
I think you're underestimating how duck it is. You can see the door to the other side, both of them appear to be spaces (as also indicated by Tduds link). They are integrated very intentionally into the building and intended as functional program, I'd argue they are far more duck than say the shoe examples above, which are novelty "play" houses for children and not real buildings. the link provided by tduds also clarifies the intention of them being buildings, which is a pretty duck thing to do. A duck will always have non-functional aspects, such as the actual neck and head for the outright ducks, I think that this is essentially as duck as that.
Occupiable space:
So this is really a collaboration between Gehry and Claes (and Coosje). That giant hanging bulb is awesome.
The measure of how "duck" a building is isn't in how well the building incorporates functional program into an otherwise unusual form. The original intent behind the duck vs. decorated shed comparison is regarding the structure's communication of intent or meaning. The original duck building was a building to sell ducks and eggs ... it's meaning was unmistakable because of it's form. The architecture communicated the intent through innate symbolism. The decorated shed on the other hand has not innately communicative form and instead relies on signage or other applied symbols to convey the intent of the architecture.
I'd agree with you that many of the examples given on this thread may not be ducks, but rather novelty or some type of kitschy architectural folly (follies could be deserving of their own thread). I think the binoculars here fall into that same category of novelty architecture, but not a duck. That doesn't mean it isn't integrated or useful in the overall architecture, but the binoculars don't impart any particular meaning on the program of the building which was originally that of an advertising agency. Serendipitously they come closer to imparting meaning as office space for Google implying searching or finding through looking, but I still think it would be a stretch to claim it as a duck.
Even if Bushnell bought the building and moved in I still wouldn't call it a duck. I'd call it a cleverly decorated shed. The binoculars by themselves might be a duck, but when applied to the building behind them, they become decoration.
Well, at the least, I think it's fair to say it's not a sculpture. (which, honestly wasn't sure about when you initially suggested it, because I really didn't know much about the building.)
Whether it is actually a duck or a decorated shed is a better conflict. I found, and now have lost a video of a woman explaining how it came to be binoculars, and it sounded rather happenstance, not something to make any sort of argument about meaning. However, I don't recall the duck being quite as you've put it. Pulling out my copy of LFLV, my take away would be that when "symbolic form" (and it does not seem to suggest that it is symbolic of the function), drives and space, structure, and program, it is a Duck. When the others serve a program, and decoration is applied, it's a decorated shed. I would argue this does the former more than the latter. As the symbolic form is binoculars, and the space, structure and program are all bent to serve the creation of that form. That said, they also say things can be both, and are pretty open ended about some of the examples, so maybe they weren't really sure what was or wasn't a duck themselves. I think your point about their connection to the larger building is more appropriate to disqualify it as a duck, or at least make it a weaker example.
I unfortunately don't have LFLV in my library to reference or to verify. I did include the video of Bob to help explain his thoughts on it which I think support my take on it ... though I'll admit his words may be based on cloudy recollection of what he and his coauthors wrote. I don't have a copy to verify.
I think the latter half of the video supports your conclusion, but I'd argue that it is based more on a discussion of form following function. I think duck vs. decorated shed is part of a discussion of form following function, but more importantly, duck vs. decorated shed is about form communicating function ... regardless of what it follows. Longaberger basket is definitely a duck, but its form isn't really following its function. Without the EIFS buildouts and handles, it would be a fairly banal office building and the form would probably be described as having followed economics. It is a duck however because the form communicated the function.
Sure. It's really a little lose, and I think it's more interesting how the architectural community choses to utilize the concept, more than just the person who came up with it (or popularized it, not sure). Anyway, in LVLV he called the Amiens Cathedral a duck and a decorated shed, so I would maintain that he's got a pretty open definition of either. I like the idea of it being a formal symbol just because that feels more useful to me. There are very few ducks in that definition. There are essentially none with communication of function requirement. But I can also see where that comes from, because the whole topic is largely around buildings as signs, so that makes sense. And there is something inherently very pure about that, which I do like.
Leaving LV is reductio ad absurdum.
Just catching up on my own thread, to my horror, I've been working a lot again. I think I agree with EA and nate's reading of it. You should get to work on that venn diagram and post it up!
This was intended to be both a silly and a serious thread, so cheers to you two for delivering the goods on the serious side. What do you think about Gehry? Not his fishes, but just a normal work of his - Disney concert hall for example? I feel like it has so transcended the original structural/ architectural concept (or maybe he was playing the long game?) that it is now self-referentially symbolic of an important public building, and thus all his works in that vein, from Bilbao to LV have become ducks. Duck Simulacra or some shit.
I think Miles post below of the Native-American themed root beer stand is the same argument you were initially making about novelty in the binocular building, though instead of it being part of a building, it's a standalone novelty. Unless Native American head communicates root beer in some way I'm missing?
Regardless, love seeing all the weird architecture.
I've been thinking about the Big Chief Root Beer stand and I think I'd call it a legit duck. I can't say for certain because I don't know how well-known the brand was, but I think the form of the architecture communicates the brand much like the Longaberger Basket building does. It's maybe a small step removed because the basket for Longaberger is the product, where the root beer for Big Chief isn't necessarily represented in the form like the basket is ... but the branding is what is represented in a "duck" way.
I'm not sure what a contemporary example would be but I could imagine back in the 1930's that the Big Chief branding being well-known enough that when you see this on the side of the road you knew they were selling root beer because you recognize the branding.
Friday fish fry, anyone?
The expression of the fish always gets me.
https://archinect.com/news/article/150276934/i-think-the-fish-form-is-architectural-watch-frank-gehry-talk-about-his-latest-sculpture-exhibition-in-los-angeles
Big Chief Root Beer Stand, Kansas City.
Every glass sterlized!
Kansas City? Inscription on the photograph says Vancouver, Washington. Hangar in the background says Pearson Field which still exists in Vancouver.
So apparently the stand pictured is in Vancouver, WA but there was at least one other in Kansas City. It apparently operated as an A&W Root Beer Stand at one point as noted in the owner/operator's obituary.
Vancouver, WA:
Kansas City, KS:
Nice Miles! Here's another Root Beer Stand:
An update re: the Coney Island Boardwalk in Bailey, it is now for sale to "a suitable buyer" with some "even entertaining the idea of getting the South Park creators involved like they did with Casa Bonita in Lakewood."
Also of note, apparently correct way to refer to the thing is "the coney"!
Excellent, Nam!
I saw that article also, actually stopped at the Coney last summer and it was closed and in pretty sad shape.
Love the idea of irreverent cartoonists being the most impactful historic preservationists in Denver in a generation.
Yeah we were up at Kenosha Lodge late last year and the Bun/Dog was looking sad. I've always loved turning the bend in road and seeing reminder of my younger days in actual Coney Island. The Casa Bonita news is frankly amazing...Never thought I'd have the reopening on my top rests. for 2022!
hey ya captain!
She's a beaut!
Is it two ships, or a catamaran?
I hope the doorbell is a ship's horn.
One for the ages.
Planetarium in Cuenca, Ecuador:
I will never be sad about this thread coming back to life.
You would if I thought this was about duck hunting.
Renaissance Duck:
I'm not seeing the image - can you repost it?
they didn't have .jpeg's back then
Sorry, friends, it wouldn't let me delete or edit...pic posted below.
Not precisely a duck, since it's imitating a different structure type (+ bonus cultural appropriation), but a Route 66 classic: