haven’t seen a real architect type question here in awhile so Ilets see how smart we really are:
little F up on a project I just inherited....
elevator machine room on the second floor is required to have a 1 hr rating on the floor. Floor structure is ply wd over wood trusses. Anyone know a good way to rate the floor? Trusses are being set, so changes will be painful at this point.
I’m inclined to pour concrete but feel like there has to be a better way. thanks!
Non Sequitur
Sep 22, 20 8:24 pm
in my hood, when a floor rating is required, the supporting structure also needs to match. A concrete topping would not fly unless the trusses are enclosed in a rated gyp assemblies too.
SneakyPete
Sep 22, 20 9:44 pm
This is spelled out in the code, for sure.
shellarchitect
Sep 23, 20 9:33 am
understandable, found an exception for this specific construction type and rating
awaiting_deletion
Sep 22, 20 9:20 pm
off top of my head, UL# L something, 400's or 500's, googled my thought, images look close, might work
if you go descriptive, your concrete idea should work. assuming your neck of the woods they lean towards allowing the architect take all the liability regardless of code (not all jurisdictions feel that way).
SneakyPete
Sep 22, 20 9:43 pm
UL is your friend. Alternatively call up any gypsum company, as that's what you're likely to be using.
natematt
Sep 23, 20 2:22 pm
This.
I remember looking at something along these lines with a fairly thin floor underlayment from USG.
I remember that requiring the deck to be enclosed from below so that the whole thing is a rated assembly, which could be complicated, but maybe there is a one-sided option.
b3tadine[sutures]
Sep 22, 20 9:57 pm
shell, check 722.6, you might find what you need there. This saved my ass.
shellarchitect
Sep 23, 20 9:21 am
MIND BLOWN!!
shellarchitect
Sep 23, 20 9:21 am
I didn't know about this section, thanks!
b3tadine[sutures]
Sep 23, 20 9:27 am
I had the "fortunate" circumstance to deploy this when the one inspector approved something, then quit, and the new one inspector cited a mistake, and I had to figure it out. I was able to save the contractor, and owner, about $250k.
senjohnblutarsky
Sep 23, 20 9:21 am
Might be able to use concrete panel subfloor in lieu of the plywood?
shellarchitect
Sep 23, 20 9:23 am
Thanks all,
I hope we all enjoyed a real-life practice question and a good example of what architects actually do, when we out-grow rendering pretty pictures
SneakyPete
Sep 23, 20 11:54 am
fix the mistakes made by the person we replace on a project? yeah, that feels right. ;)
haven’t seen a real architect type question here in awhile so Ilets see how smart we really are:
little F up on a project I just inherited....
elevator machine room on the second floor is required to have a 1 hr rating on the floor. Floor structure is ply wd over wood trusses. Anyone know a good way to rate the floor? Trusses are being set, so changes will be painful at this point.
I’m inclined to pour concrete but feel like there has to be a better way. thanks!
in my hood, when a floor rating is required, the supporting structure also needs to match. A concrete topping would not fly unless the trusses are enclosed in a rated gyp assemblies too.
This is spelled out in the code, for sure.
understandable, found an exception for this specific construction type and rating
off top of my head, UL# L something, 400's or 500's, googled my thought, images look close, might work
https://www.usg.com/content/usgcom/en_CA_east/design-studio/floor-ceiling-assemblies.html
if you go descriptive, your concrete idea should work. assuming your neck of the woods they lean towards allowing the architect take all the liability regardless of code (not all jurisdictions feel that way).
UL is your friend. Alternatively call up any gypsum company, as that's what you're likely to be using.
This.
I remember looking at something along these lines with a fairly thin floor underlayment from USG.
I remember that requiring the deck to be enclosed from below so that the whole thing is a rated assembly, which could be complicated, but maybe there is a one-sided option.
shell, check 722.6, you might find what you need there. This saved my ass.
MIND BLOWN!!
I didn't know about this section, thanks!
I had the "fortunate" circumstance to deploy this when the one inspector approved something, then quit, and the new one inspector cited a mistake, and I had to figure it out. I was able to save the contractor, and owner, about $250k.
Might be able to use concrete panel subfloor in lieu of the plywood?
Thanks all,
I hope we all enjoyed a real-life practice question and a good example of what architects actually do, when we out-grow rendering pretty pictures
fix the mistakes made by the person we replace on a project? yeah, that feels right. ;)