Going off on a lim here... guessing you are in some english-speaking country that uses the metric system... A is for area and P is for persons (quantity of people)...
citizen
Dec 22, 19 2:40 pm
A is likely area. Don't know about P. It can't be perimeter; the numbers are too small.
I don't think it's persons, because the numbers are too big (for occupancy), in that case. Just guesses here.
Archlandia
Dec 22, 19 6:43 pm
Its a point system for Alien vs Predator battles
Gloominati
Dec 22, 19 10:23 pm
P is perimeter, in meters. That's why, for example, Office 0013 has a larger A but smaller P than Office 0012 - the latter has 5 walls while the former has only 4. It's also why squarer proportioned rooms have smaller P's than more rectangular proportioned rooms of roughly the same areas.The numbers are all plausible perimeters for the proportions and areas of the rooms shown.
The reason these drawings have perimeters on them is because they were done for building valuation purposes, and the perimeters are used in determining some of the valuation metrics.
Gloominati
Dec 22, 19 11:46 pm
Rick I'm not guessing. These are valuation plans. There's a measurement code for them, in which some of the valuation parameters depend on the perimeters.
Gloominati
Dec 23, 19 12:58 am
I'm not sure what your question is exactly. Do you mean how do I know they're valuation drawings? They've got the GIA and GEA on them. Those are RICS-regulated - mostly used for building valuation, taxation, etc. In this particular instance we know exactly what these are, because from the OP's post we can follow the original link to the sale flyer.
threeohdoor
Dec 23, 19 9:28 am
P is perimeter - do the math.
threeohdoor
Dec 23, 19 12:13 pm
There are many ways to skin a meow-meow. Also, we're not verifying the numbers, just using logic to figure out what 'P' is.
I'd love to hear your logic on finding the threshold between a 'heap' and a 'pile', give or take 0.3.
Wilma Buttfit
Dec 23, 19 12:36 pm
A pile is something you can pick up with two hands. You can't do that with a heap.
Non Sequitur
Dec 23, 19 12:47 pm
What about half a heap?
BulgarBlogger
Dec 23, 19 9:56 am
P is fot perimeter. You can't have 13.5 persons for example. Didn't think about that. although why would you want to know that unless you're also including ceiling height for air volume?
BulgarBlogger
Dec 23, 19 2:13 pm
Omg... why would anyone design a door so the lever isn't against a wall??? So bad... Look at the first floor plan.
threeohdoor
Dec 23, 19 3:07 pm
use commie units, get commie designs... :P
BulgarBlogger
Dec 23, 19 3:33 pm
I love the text overlapping the walls... wow.
Gloominati
Dec 23, 19 6:33 pm
This is an existing townhouse, built in 1852, renovated repeatedly, for many different uses. The drawing is a surveyor/assessor's valuation drawing - not an architectural design or construction drawing. Think of it as similar to a tax assessor's parcel diagram in the US.
"P" = perimeter. This is fairly standard for this type of diagram, because, as I've already explained twice, the perimeters are used in the valuation formulae. But if for some reason you don't want to believe that, you can easily verify it mathematically. You do not need the dimensions of the rooms - you can determine the approximate perimeter of any room because you know its area and can eyeball the room proportions.
If you want to keep arguing that P = people, then answer why the occupant load of a 33 square foot storage closet would be 7.8 people? Same thing with the single-user bathrooms. And why would a larger office have a smaller occupant load than the smaller office right next to it?
Gloominati
Dec 24, 19 12:39 am
There has been no private messaging. The information is easily locatable on the website that you've already been to, and you don't need anything other than what the OP posted. If you can't find it it's because you don't understand what you're looking at.
And you don't need to do any measuring with a ruler. You have the areas, and you know the basic proportions of the rooms, so you can easily verify that P=perimeter with the simplest algebraic equation (you should be able to do this in your head - it's 7th grade math!)
eeayeeayo
Dec 24, 19 11:51 am
Balkins this whole thread reminds me of back on the ARE Forum when you would threaten to call the FBI every five minutes, because anytime somebody knows something you don't it must mean they have illegal access to information. What's the Scottish equivalent to the FBI? Have you contacted them?
what do the A and P below stand for??
Going off on a lim here... guessing you are in some english-speaking country that uses the metric system... A is for area and P is for persons (quantity of people)...
A is likely area. Don't know about P. It can't be perimeter; the numbers are too small.
I don't think it's persons, because the numbers are too big (for occupancy), in that case. Just guesses here.
Its a point system for Alien vs Predator battles
P is perimeter, in meters. That's why, for example, Office 0013 has a larger A but smaller P than Office 0012 - the latter has 5 walls while the former has only 4. It's also why squarer proportioned rooms have smaller P's than more rectangular proportioned rooms of roughly the same areas.The numbers are all plausible perimeters for the proportions and areas of the rooms shown.
The reason these drawings have perimeters on them is because they were done for building valuation purposes, and the perimeters are used in determining some of the valuation metrics.
Rick I'm not guessing. These are valuation plans. There's a measurement code for them, in which some of the valuation parameters depend on the perimeters.
I'm not sure what your question is exactly. Do you mean how do I know they're valuation drawings? They've got the GIA and GEA on them. Those are RICS-regulated - mostly used for building valuation, taxation, etc. In this particular instance we know exactly what these are, because from the OP's post we can follow the original link to the sale flyer.
P is perimeter - do the math.
There are many ways to skin a meow-meow. Also, we're not verifying the numbers, just using logic to figure out what 'P' is.
I'd love to hear your logic on finding the threshold between a 'heap' and a 'pile', give or take 0.3.
A pile is something you can pick up with two hands. You can't do that with a heap.
What about half a heap?
P is fot perimeter. You can't have 13.5 persons for example. Didn't think about that. although why would you want to know that unless you're also including ceiling height for air volume?
Omg... why would anyone design a door so the lever isn't against a wall??? So bad... Look at the first floor plan.
use commie units, get commie designs... :P
I love the text overlapping the walls... wow.
This is an existing townhouse, built in 1852, renovated repeatedly, for many different uses. The drawing is a surveyor/assessor's valuation drawing - not an architectural design or construction drawing. Think of it as similar to a tax assessor's parcel diagram in the US.
"P" = perimeter. This is fairly standard for this type of diagram, because, as I've already explained twice, the perimeters are used in the valuation formulae. But if for some reason you don't want to believe that, you can easily verify it mathematically. You do not need the dimensions of the rooms - you can determine the approximate perimeter of any room because you know its area and can eyeball the room proportions.
If you want to keep arguing that P = people, then answer why the occupant load of a 33 square foot storage closet would be 7.8 people? Same thing with the single-user bathrooms. And why would a larger office have a smaller occupant load than the smaller office right next to it?
There has been no private messaging. The information is easily locatable on the website that you've already been to, and you don't need anything other than what the OP posted. If you can't find it it's because you don't understand what you're looking at.
And you don't need to do any measuring with a ruler. You have the areas, and you know the basic proportions of the rooms, so you can easily verify that P=perimeter with the simplest algebraic equation (you should be able to do this in your head - it's 7th grade math!)
Balkins this whole thread reminds me of back on the ARE Forum when you would threaten to call the FBI every five minutes, because anytime somebody knows something you don't it must mean they have illegal access to information. What's the Scottish equivalent to the FBI? Have you contacted them?