I have multiple architecture questions for you guys.
First, currently There are multiple housses getting build where the Roof arrives flush with the Walls. I am on Canada, super cold climate therefore why the hell are people building IT that way? With all the water sliding on the extérieur wall IT Will destroy the building quickly ans mais IT last way less long? Isnt IT?
2nd question is, I See big compagnies like BIG and 3xn building a lot of Circular buildings. What are the avantages for that? Isnt it way more complicated to build that way? And way more expensive?
Thanks for.your help guys
Non Sequitur
Nov 13, 19 7:18 pm
it is possible to build clean wall to roof connections if you know what you’re doing. Most are either cladding on furring or rain screen systems coupled with good drainage layer. It’s far more complicated to detail these than a typical roof overhang or gutter.
As for circular buildings, yes, they can easily be exponentially more expensive than ones who are not circular. It’s fine for for the look more than for functionality. In other news, water is wet at room temperature.
francisbergeron
Nov 14, 19 7:29 am
What Do you Mean by water is wet at Room température? What is the link with Circular buildings?
And even with the set Up you talked about for no overhang buildings, once water slides on the cladding IT Will Stoll leave traces on IT and IT Will Stoll damage the material way quicker
Non Sequitur
Nov 14, 19 7:32 am
Some materials are resistant to normal rainfall and many people like the weathered look. Others don’t care because money is no issue and they will just renovate / sell in a few years anyways. You’re ignoring quite a few factors in your general observation.
Non Sequitur
Nov 14, 19 7:33 am
Wet water vs circle building = obvious question gets obvious answer. 8-)
francisbergeron
Nov 14, 19 12:23 pm
People not Carling about money, and living weathered building after 10 years.. I dont know. Thèse are mot logical "observations" from architectural stand point". Resist to what extent? Im Curious about IT. Buildings without proper water management are easy to see...
Non Sequitur
Nov 14, 19 12:31 pm
water "management" is a big part of my job and I don't see a problem if it's something taken seriously. It's about understanding materials (and combination of them), construction tolerances, and reasonable workmanship.
Wood Guy
Nov 14, 19 9:52 am
While overhangs usually protect the wall below, the taller the building the less it matters. Using conventional, traditional details, you're right, the building will fail more quickly than one with an overhang. But with high performance building techniques and materials it's not very difficult to create a durable structure without overhangs.
francisbergeron
Nov 14, 19 12:21 pm
Awesome thanks m'y friend. Do you have ideas for durable materials against rain? Thanks for your reply
OddArchitect
Nov 14, 19 12:35 pm
Hire an architect if you want to get an answer.
Non Sequitur
Nov 14, 19 12:42 pm
Chad, our friend Francis is a fresh technologist grad from the depths of snowy Quebec. See his previous post on almost the same subject. It appears that he has a habit starting superficial arguments.
Wood Guy
Nov 14, 19 1:16 pm
Francis, my experience is only residential, and though physics remains the same, the products and methods vary when it comes to commercial construction.
I would not build a conventionally-detailed home without overhangs, except in high wind areas. In high performance home design, which is my area of expertise, the cladding is not considered waterproof, and the WRB—weather resistive barrier (or variants) does need to be watertight, and is often airtight as well. The best-performing WRB I have used is Pro Clima Solitex Mento. Siga Majvest is good too. Both can be used on walls as well as roofs, but Siga Majcoat is more robust. All seams need to be sealed with compatible tape.
Outside the WRB there needs to be a rainscreen gap. When there is no roof overhang, the gap must be deep—at least ¾” and more is better, open at top and bottom to allow reservoir cladding (cladding that can hold moisture) to dry quickly.
For cladding, I prefer materials with low embodied carbon, so I like to use naturally rot-resistant wood such as eastern white cedar, or wood that is acetylated or thermally modified for rot resistance. Rot-resistant wood that is able to dry quickly will last a long time, even without a finish. And with a rainscreen gap, finishes adhere much longer than when saturated with moisture.
Non Sequitur
Nov 14, 19 1:24 pm
wood guy, that description above thoroughly aroused me.
Wood Guy
Nov 14, 19 5:51 pm
Non, I'm both pleased and uncomfortable with your comment ;-)
Non Sequitur
Nov 14, 19 6:17 pm
^good.
liberty bell
Nov 18, 19 7:59 am
(insert joke about wetness being a *good* thing, in this case)
Non Sequitur
Nov 18, 19 8:20 am
damn it Donna... not before I've had my 3 cups of coffee.
francisbergeron
Nov 14, 19 5:34 pm
Awesome you answered perfectly to m'y question thanks m'y Friend. I really appreciate tour Time ans explanations. I knew part of the answer I juste wanted to See différent ways to think thanks again sir.
francisbergeron
Nov 14, 19 5:37 pm
Non seq, you are offended on 90% of the posts. Qu'en you answer " There are rich people Who dont care" as an answer... M'y questions are legit and yeah I am intriguated about gutters, water management etc... Im Working for an architect and que were just wondering other oppinions a d options.
I have multiple architecture questions for you guys.
First, currently There are multiple housses getting build where the Roof arrives flush with the Walls. I am on Canada, super cold climate therefore why the hell are people building IT that way? With all the water sliding on the extérieur wall IT Will destroy the building quickly ans mais IT last way less long? Isnt IT?
2nd question is, I See big compagnies like BIG and 3xn building a lot of Circular buildings. What are the avantages for that? Isnt it way more complicated to build that way? And way more expensive?
Thanks for.your help guys
it is possible to build clean wall to roof connections if you know what you’re doing. Most are either cladding on furring or rain screen systems coupled with good drainage layer. It’s far more complicated to detail these than a typical roof overhang or gutter.
As for circular buildings, yes, they can easily be exponentially more expensive than ones who are not circular. It’s fine for for the look more than for functionality. In other news, water is wet at room temperature.
What Do you Mean by water is wet at Room température? What is the link with Circular buildings?
And even with the set Up you talked about for no overhang buildings, once water slides on the cladding IT Will Stoll leave traces on IT and IT Will Stoll damage the material way quicker
Some materials are resistant to normal rainfall and many people like the weathered look. Others don’t care because money is no issue and they will just renovate / sell in a few years anyways. You’re ignoring quite a few factors in your general observation.
Wet water vs circle building = obvious question gets obvious answer. 8-)
People not Carling about money, and living weathered building after 10 years.. I dont know. Thèse are mot logical "observations" from architectural stand point". Resist to what extent? Im Curious about IT. Buildings without proper water management are easy to see...
water "management" is a big part of my job and I don't see a problem if it's something taken seriously. It's about understanding materials (and combination of them), construction tolerances, and reasonable workmanship.
While overhangs usually protect the wall below, the taller the building the less it matters. Using conventional, traditional details, you're right, the building will fail more quickly than one with an overhang. But with high performance building techniques and materials it's not very difficult to create a durable structure without overhangs.
Awesome thanks m'y friend. Do you have ideas for durable materials against rain? Thanks for your reply
Hire an architect if you want to get an answer.
Chad, our friend Francis is a fresh technologist grad from the depths of snowy Quebec. See his previous post on almost the same subject. It appears that he has a habit starting superficial arguments.
Francis, my experience is only residential, and though physics remains the same, the products and methods vary when it comes to commercial construction.
I would not build a conventionally-detailed home without overhangs, except in high wind areas. In high performance home design, which is my area of expertise, the cladding is not considered waterproof, and the WRB—weather resistive barrier (or variants) does need to be watertight, and is often airtight as well. The best-performing WRB I have used is Pro Clima Solitex Mento. Siga Majvest is good too. Both can be used on walls as well as roofs, but Siga Majcoat is more robust. All seams need to be sealed with compatible tape.
Outside the WRB there needs to be a rainscreen gap. When there is no roof overhang, the gap must be deep—at least ¾” and more is better, open at top and bottom to allow reservoir cladding (cladding that can hold moisture) to dry quickly.
For cladding, I prefer materials with low embodied carbon, so I like to use naturally rot-resistant wood such as eastern white cedar, or wood that is acetylated or thermally modified for rot resistance. Rot-resistant wood that is able to dry quickly will last a long time, even without a finish. And with a rainscreen gap, finishes adhere much longer than when saturated with moisture.
wood guy, that description above thoroughly aroused me.
Non, I'm both pleased and uncomfortable with your comment ;-)
^good.
(insert joke about wetness being a *good* thing, in this case)
damn it Donna... not before I've had my 3 cups of coffee.
Awesome you answered perfectly to m'y question thanks m'y Friend. I really appreciate tour Time ans explanations. I knew part of the answer I juste wanted to See différent ways to think thanks again sir.
Non seq, you are offended on 90% of the posts. Qu'en you answer " There are rich people Who dont care" as an answer... M'y questions are legit and yeah I am intriguated about gutters, water management etc... Im Working for an architect and que were just wondering other oppinions a d options.
I am very rarely offended by things in the forum.