I am looking for a post-professional degree that is targeting students who want to practice instead of going to academia. I am interested in Harvard DDes program, and MIT Media Lab masters. Are there other similar programs?
archinine
Dec 15, 17 10:04 am
Why would you get a doctorate or a post professional degree at all if you're not interested in academia? Practice is easy and much cheaper, just go and practice...at a job where they pay you. Don't expect to earn a cent more for anything after the professional degree. Experience is king.
Non Sequitur
Dec 15, 17 10:24 am
A phd is actually less likely to help you succeed in practice unless you go into a very specialized area, such as building envelop or material science.
I had a phd consultant try to talk-down the complicated concept of condensation to me once... it was excruciating. Listen lady, I would not be project arch if I did not know at least the basics.
tduds
Dec 15, 17 10:58 am
The Media Lab program leads to a lot of industry / entrepreneurial connections and opportunities. It's a much less "academic" environment than other doctorate programs. So I don't agree with the previous posters that it's not a good path for non-academic careers. However, I wouldn't recommend going through the media lab if you intend to be an architect. It's so tangential to that. I know dozens of people who have worked there, and I can't think of a single one who is currently practicing Architecture.
If you're interested, though, I can speak to a few of the labs and the work they do.
randomised
Dec 15, 17 11:02 am
Why the hell not, if it helps you create a network and valuable contacts. I can imagine you don't mind paying for this if you intend on setting up shop yourself or collaborate on the highest level with major players. I know quite some people who got a post professional degree and they all started their own office and got valuable connections and commissions from that post-professional network. If you intend to just work for someone else or do simple residential remodels etc. it would be a big waste of time and money. If you want to call the shots yourself, just dig that hole a little deeper.
JLC-1
Dec 15, 17 2:59 pm
doctor, we need you in the o.r. a.s.a.p. , there's a leak in the roof
zonker
Dec 15, 17 6:06 pm
I had a co-worker who had a doctorate in architecture and she was doing the same thing I was at the time - BIM production on mixed use
Rsturgis
Dec 20, 18 6:38 pm
doesnt seem like this thread ended up being very helpful. @Extry, im currently in the same mode of thought, and seems the options are still somewhat limited. Atleast in the northeast. Ive heard Michigan has a program, and I think SUNY Buffalo, not sure if youve found a suitable program or not, would be interested to hear if so.
randomised
Dec 26, 18 2:36 pm
Real 'doctor of design' material would find it helpful, I'm sure.
ForeignConcept
Dec 25, 18 8:46 pm
A bit different than just strictly architecture but WashU has the Doctorate of Sustainable Urbanism. It's not a Ph.D. It seems to be very hands-on and applied within the city of St. Louis. Requires a post-grad degree in urban design, which takes a year or so after your M.Arch. It's designed for architecture students in mind.
I, myself am looking into it. I am currently getting my Bachelor's in Urban Planning (PAB accredited) and am hoping I can transition to a M.Arch after that. I'm from St. Louis and want to move back, I love it there. And so I looked into programs at WashU. So, we'll see.
thisisnotmyname
Dec 26, 18 11:44 am
The best way to learn architectural practice is to get out there and start working. If you do it right, you get paid also.
Miles Jaffe
Dec 26, 18 3:40 pm
Phd: Piled high and deep.
If you absolutely must have one, honorary is the way to go.
On the fence
Dec 27, 18 10:09 am
Crap, we don't even need a Masters degree for our profession. Certainly we do not need everyone to have one. A PHD???? Good lord.
randomised
Dec 27, 18 12:02 pm
Nothing wrong with a PhD, why all the hate for people that want to study a certain subject or fascination a bit longer?
88Buildings
Dec 27, 18 7:49 pm
Yes there is nothing wrong with going to school doing research and writing papers and teaching. But I bet you you will learn even more if you can build a house or small structure on the side.
randomised
Dec 28, 18 2:18 am
They are not necessarily connected, different kinds of learning that can't be compared so simplistically in my opinion.
will galloway
Dec 28, 18 8:32 am
this idea that education is beneath real workaday people is such a mind-fkuc (and so american). There is nothing wrong or counter- professional to getting a phd to learn something of interest and also having a professional career.
kengo kuma has a PhD and it doesnt seem to be causing any problems with his design abilities. He seems to be able to build fairly well, actually. How many people working for him? 300 or so?
to the original question, AA school has a good ddes program.
citizen
Dec 30, 18 8:01 pm
I concur with the idea, Will.
CrazyBut tossing off wholly dismissive generalizations as 'so American' is a good reason many consider academics to be douchebags. Relax a little.
citizen
Dec 30, 18 8:02 pm
No more posting from the phone. (Delete 'crazy')
randomised
Dec 31, 18 8:56 am
As if generalisations are somehow related to being an academic, what a silly generalisation, no wonder many academics consider non-academics to be ...
will galloway
Jan 2, 19 2:28 am
americans always get uptight when i point out how much they distrust education.
Marc Miller
Jan 2, 19 12:05 pm
That's a complicated history...
citizen
Jan 2, 19 12:43 pm
Back to the OP: a second master's is a good path for many who are so inclined. You've already ID'd a couple of degree foci, but there's any number of them that augment architecture well. Planning, business, law, art, preservation, project management, development... none is purely academic, and all are (or can be) helpful professionally.
Hi all!
I am looking for a post-professional degree that is targeting students who want to practice instead of going to academia. I am interested in Harvard DDes program, and MIT Media Lab masters. Are there other similar programs?
Why would you get a doctorate or a post professional degree at all if you're not interested in academia? Practice is easy and much cheaper, just go and practice...at a job where they pay you. Don't expect to earn a cent more for anything after the professional degree. Experience is king.
A phd is actually less likely to help you succeed in practice unless you go into a very specialized area, such as building envelop or material science.
I had a phd consultant try to talk-down the complicated concept of condensation to me once... it was excruciating. Listen lady, I would not be project arch if I did not know at least the basics.
The Media Lab program leads to a lot of industry / entrepreneurial connections and opportunities. It's a much less "academic" environment than other doctorate programs. So I don't agree with the previous posters that it's not a good path for non-academic careers. However, I wouldn't recommend going through the media lab if you intend to be an architect. It's so tangential to that. I know dozens of people who have worked there, and I can't think of a single one who is currently practicing Architecture.
If you're interested, though, I can speak to a few of the labs and the work they do.
Why the hell not, if it helps you create a network and valuable contacts. I can imagine you don't mind paying for this if you intend on setting up shop yourself or collaborate on the highest level with major players. I know quite some people who got a post professional degree and they all started their own office and got valuable connections and commissions from that post-professional network. If you intend to just work for someone else or do simple residential remodels etc. it would be a big waste of time and money. If you want to call the shots yourself, just dig that hole a little deeper.
doctor, we need you in the o.r. a.s.a.p. , there's a leak in the roof
I had a co-worker who had a doctorate in architecture and she was doing the same thing I was at the time - BIM production on mixed use
doesnt seem like this thread ended up being very helpful. @Extry, im currently in the same mode of thought, and seems the options are still somewhat limited. Atleast in the northeast. Ive heard Michigan has a program, and I think SUNY Buffalo, not sure if youve found a suitable program or not, would be interested to hear if so.
Real 'doctor of design' material would find it helpful, I'm sure.
A bit different than just strictly architecture but WashU has the Doctorate of Sustainable Urbanism. It's not a Ph.D. It seems to be very hands-on and applied within the city of St. Louis. Requires a post-grad degree in urban design, which takes a year or so after your M.Arch. It's designed for architecture students in mind.
I, myself am looking into it. I am currently getting my Bachelor's in Urban Planning (PAB accredited) and am hoping I can transition to a M.Arch after that. I'm from St. Louis and want to move back, I love it there. And so I looked into programs at WashU. So, we'll see.
The best way to learn architectural practice is to get out there and start working. If you do it right, you get paid also.
Phd: Piled high and deep.
If you absolutely must have one, honorary is the way to go.
Crap, we don't even need a Masters degree for our profession. Certainly we do not need everyone to have one. A PHD???? Good lord.
Nothing wrong with a PhD, why all the hate for people that want to study a certain subject or fascination a bit longer?
Yes there is nothing wrong with going to school doing research and writing papers and teaching. But I bet you you will learn even more if you can build a house or small structure on the side.
They are not necessarily connected, different kinds of learning that can't be compared so simplistically in my opinion.
this idea that education is beneath real workaday people is such a mind-fkuc (and so american). There is nothing wrong or counter- professional to getting a phd to learn something of interest and also having a professional career.
kengo kuma has a PhD and it doesnt seem to be causing any problems with his design abilities. He seems to be able to build fairly well, actually. How many people working for him? 300 or so?
to the original question, AA school has a good ddes program.
I concur with the idea, Will.
CrazyBut tossing off wholly dismissive generalizations as 'so American' is a good reason many consider academics to be douchebags. Relax a little.
No more posting from the phone. (Delete 'crazy')
As if generalisations are somehow related to being an academic, what a silly generalisation, no wonder many academics consider non-academics to be ...
americans always get uptight when i point out how much they distrust education.
That's a complicated history...
Back to the OP: a second master's is a good path for many who are so inclined. You've already ID'd a couple of degree foci, but there's any number of them that augment architecture well. Planning, business, law, art, preservation, project management, development... none is purely academic, and all are (or can be) helpful professionally.