Is it a good practice to bill everything towards projects in an 8 hour day? Is everything billable; ie. project research, office meetings on all projects, code research, uptime/downtime?
I'm trying to figure out if it's common practice to be 100% billable vs. non-billable.
Thanks!
JLC-1
Sep 13, 17 1:18 pm
it's a progression, cad monkeys are 100% billable, owner is 20-30% and everything in between. billable factors are a science.
won and done williams
Sep 13, 17 1:41 pm
When in doubt, ask your project manager.
senjohnblutarsky
Sep 13, 17 1:45 pm
There should be some office ruling. My first office insisted that everything be 100% billable. No exceptions. Current office says there is no way to be 100% billable. They expect non-billable time.
OreoStudio
Sep 13, 17 2:09 pm
Same here.. We use to have non-billable time.. and now they are looking to switch it to 100% billable. I was just wondering if that is the norm. It's either that or any time I spend beyond is on my own for non-billable I assume.
Miles Jaffe
Sep 13, 17 5:22 pm
As far as the architect is concerned, it's all billable. As far as the client is concerned, none of it is billable.
randomised
Sep 14, 17 1:14 am
I bill all my time spent at work.
Non Sequitur
Sep 14, 17 7:39 am
Time spent writting snarky archinect comments is totally billable.
randomised
Sep 14, 17 8:37 am
It's a special category on my timesheets
Miles Jaffe
Sep 14, 17 8:10 am
Yes, but Archinect refuses to pay.
won and done williams
Sep 14, 17 9:43 am
There's probably good basis for a class action lawsuit against Archinect - "Distracting Architects Since 1997" ;)
Wilma Buttfit
Sep 14, 17 10:07 am
I have a snark jar like some people have swear jars. Everytime I make a snarky comment I have to put a quarter in the snark jar. That's how you make snark pay off.
3tk
Sep 14, 17 1:10 pm
100% is not realistic in any scenario, but I've been in offices where that was the 'goal'. Typically staff is higher and it drops somewhat as it goes up the food chain as the higher ups are tasked to bring in the work. In the places I felt were best run from a business standpoint, all hours were tracked, with non-billable hours broken down. Large part of the consideration is to make sure the target total billing is met - whether that is due to having a higher rate or higher percentage of billable hours is a balancing act the accountants and decision makers have to decide.
Typical non-billable items: marketing, clean up, organization of in-house materials, staffing meetings, billing meetings, meals, down time (personal internet time, chit chatting with colleagues, taking walks, errands), touching base with contractors and clients, continuing ed.
Billing items: direct project related tasks includes research. This sometimes feels weird when working in some place new or new project type as the amount of research can be far more extensive than projects one is used to working on; but it's part of why more experienced staff gets paid more (less research and general figuring things out).
I've tried to keep 35hr/week minimum billable time as an average - based on hourly rate and multiplier this has been more than adequate. Typically shoot for 40/wk, which tends to mean 50hrs working as I take a fair amount of down time.
won and done williams
Sep 14, 17 1:36 pm
All firms I've worked in have distributed weekly projections. That's where all the firm project managers meet and assign projected hours to each employee. These hours may or may not include non-billable time, such as marketing, proposal creation, etc. You really shouldn't be in the dark as to what you should be billing and what you should not. There may be some management issues going on if you are uncertain.
kjdt
Sep 14, 17 3:05 pm
There are published rules of thumb for billable % for various typical architecture firm roles. The general consensus from sources like the AIA, PMI, etc. is that a "production drafter/modeler" and a "designer" would typically be somewhere between 85% and 95% billable (but of course this is going to vary if the firm also puts production drafters on marketing tasks and such), while PMs are expected to be lower - anywhere from 70% to 90%. There isn't really an industry standard norm for partners, because in some firms some principals are in the 0% to 50% range (when their primary role is marketing and/or administrative) while in other firms principals act as PMs and/or production at least part of the time and might be as billable or more so than their product and design staff.
100% billable is pretty much impossible in reality - which isn't to say that some firms don't bill that way.
When I was an employee I worried less about the firms that wanted to pretend that all my time was billable, and more about firms that had enough free time on their hands to assign staff to things like standards development or organizing the product library for more than a few hours a week or a "slow" week or two while waiting for new projects to ramp up. When you've got that much slack in your workload it's not sustainable for long, and the people being assigned to those filler tasks are the easiest to cut with the least disruption to billable projects.
quizzical
Sep 14, 17 9:24 pm
While your question focuses specifically on an 8-hour day, when you look at the work year as a totality, there's a theoretical upper limit to utilization. Starting with (52 weeks x 40 hours) = 2,080 annual available hours, one must then deduct paid vacation time (usually 80 hours) and paid holidays (usually 6 days = 48 hours) and paid sick leave (say, 5 days = 40 hours) -- already, that's 168 hours that cannot be billable. Then, you have to account for periodic staff meetings, mandatory continuing ed, office celebrations, etc. and you're really lucky if anybody can charge even close to 90% of their time to projects. And, the higher one rises in the firm the lower that theoretical level sinks.
Is it a good practice to bill everything towards projects in an 8 hour day? Is everything billable; ie. project research, office meetings on all projects, code research, uptime/downtime?
I'm trying to figure out if it's common practice to be 100% billable vs. non-billable.
Thanks!
it's a progression, cad monkeys are 100% billable, owner is 20-30% and everything in between. billable factors are a science.
When in doubt, ask your project manager.
There should be some office ruling. My first office insisted that everything be 100% billable. No exceptions. Current office says there is no way to be 100% billable. They expect non-billable time.
Same here.. We use to have non-billable time.. and now they are looking to switch it to 100% billable. I was just wondering if that is the norm. It's either that or any time I spend beyond is on my own for non-billable I assume.
As far as the architect is concerned, it's all billable. As far as the client is concerned, none of it is billable.
I bill all my time spent at work.
Time spent writting snarky archinect comments is totally billable.
It's a special category on my timesheets
Yes, but Archinect refuses to pay.
There's probably good basis for a class action lawsuit against Archinect - "Distracting Architects Since 1997" ;)
I have a snark jar like some people have swear jars. Everytime I make a snarky comment I have to put a quarter in the snark jar. That's how you make snark pay off.
100% is not realistic in any scenario, but I've been in offices where that was the 'goal'. Typically staff is higher and it drops somewhat as it goes up the food chain as the higher ups are tasked to bring in the work. In the places I felt were best run from a business standpoint, all hours were tracked, with non-billable hours broken down. Large part of the consideration is to make sure the target total billing is met - whether that is due to having a higher rate or higher percentage of billable hours is a balancing act the accountants and decision makers have to decide.
Typical non-billable items: marketing, clean up, organization of in-house materials, staffing meetings, billing meetings, meals, down time (personal internet time, chit chatting with colleagues, taking walks, errands), touching base with contractors and clients, continuing ed.
Billing items: direct project related tasks includes research. This sometimes feels weird when working in some place new or new project type as the amount of research can be far more extensive than projects one is used to working on; but it's part of why more experienced staff gets paid more (less research and general figuring things out).
I've tried to keep 35hr/week minimum billable time as an average - based on hourly rate and multiplier this has been more than adequate. Typically shoot for 40/wk, which tends to mean 50hrs working as I take a fair amount of down time.
All firms I've worked in have distributed weekly projections. That's where all the firm project managers meet and assign projected hours to each employee. These hours may or may not include non-billable time, such as marketing, proposal creation, etc. You really shouldn't be in the dark as to what you should be billing and what you should not. There may be some management issues going on if you are uncertain.
There are published rules of thumb for billable % for various typical architecture firm roles. The general consensus from sources like the AIA, PMI, etc. is that a "production drafter/modeler" and a "designer" would typically be somewhere between 85% and 95% billable (but of course this is going to vary if the firm also puts production drafters on marketing tasks and such), while PMs are expected to be lower - anywhere from 70% to 90%. There isn't really an industry standard norm for partners, because in some firms some principals are in the 0% to 50% range (when their primary role is marketing and/or administrative) while in other firms principals act as PMs and/or production at least part of the time and might be as billable or more so than their product and design staff.
100% billable is pretty much impossible in reality - which isn't to say that some firms don't bill that way.
When I was an employee I worried less about the firms that wanted to pretend that all my time was billable, and more about firms that had enough free time on their hands to assign staff to things like standards development or organizing the product library for more than a few hours a week or a "slow" week or two while waiting for new projects to ramp up. When you've got that much slack in your workload it's not sustainable for long, and the people being assigned to those filler tasks are the easiest to cut with the least disruption to billable projects.
While your question focuses specifically on an 8-hour day, when you look at the work year as a totality, there's a theoretical upper limit to utilization. Starting with (52 weeks x 40 hours) = 2,080 annual available hours, one must then deduct paid vacation time (usually 80 hours) and paid holidays (usually 6 days = 48 hours) and paid sick leave (say, 5 days = 40 hours) -- already, that's 168 hours that cannot be billable. Then, you have to account for periodic staff meetings, mandatory continuing ed, office celebrations, etc. and you're really lucky if anybody can charge even close to 90% of their time to projects. And, the higher one rises in the firm the lower that theoretical level sinks.