My doorman dropped out if HS and eanrs $60k and all medical benefits. He did not serve in the military, and because of the Union, borrowed money at a reduced rate and now owns several apartments. All he does all day is open doors for wealthy people and goes home at 5pm.
Next time allnof us archutects think about charging 10k for a jib we all know would cost 50k, think about weather its fair that a doorman earns more than you...
Non Sequitur
Jul 2, 17 5:14 pm
Doors need to be opened.
citizen
Jul 2, 17 5:15 pm
Yes, but does he get oohs and aahs when he tells people he opens doors for a living at cocktail parties? That's worth at least 20 grand.
Wilma Buttfit
Jul 2, 17 9:16 pm
Does he get marriage proposals? Doubt it.
curtkram
Jul 3, 17 11:45 am
neither do i tintt
Miles Jaffe
Jul 2, 17 5:31 pm
... you're paying him. Maybe you should move.
BulgarBlogger
Jul 2, 17 5:55 pm
just think aboutnit next time you undercut your fellow professionals... you are earning less than doormen without any education...
Non Sequitur
Jul 2, 17 7:24 pm
maybe you do... I certainly don't.
Wilma Buttfit
Jul 2, 17 9:16 pm
Don't undercut.
citizen
Jul 2, 17 6:35 pm
Looks like an even match to me.
BulgarBlogger
Jul 2, 17 7:08 pm
Wow- so you people think that your time is worth as much as that of a doorman. Man are we doomed as a profession...
So now that SF and Seattle are raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, fresh grads with masters degrees earning $3-5 more must be feeling almost equally as valuable as an HS dropout working at Mcdonalds... absolutely pathetic...
citizen
Jul 2, 17 7:51 pm
Relax. Just because a few replies to your odd post don't happen to sing your song instantaneously, there's no need to get your panties all twisted.
archiwutm8
Jul 3, 17 1:16 pm
Are you saying we should look down in a doorman whom earns an honest living? Seriously you should look at yourself in the mirror before you judge honest working folks like that.
archiwutm8
Jul 10, 17 4:25 am
No it isn't, being an architect is a passion whilst I doubt anyone dreams of being a doorman.
archiwutm8
Jul 10, 17 11:38 am
Mate, when you actually go through any type of education come back and talk.
So, you can afford to pay someone to open doors for you. What's there to complain about?
If all you care about is who makes the most $$$ for the least amount of effort, go after his job and your commute will only be a smooth elevator ride.
JLC-1
Jul 2, 17 11:23 pm
Thank you
Donna Sink
Jul 2, 17 10:46 pm
"So, you can afford to pay someone to open doors for you. What's there to complain about? "
This. This. This. This. This.
I love my life. I'm so happy and so fortunate, and so grateful.
Flatfish
Jul 3, 17 9:25 am
I don't get the connection either. Where are you living that architects are making less than 60k but doorman buildings are common? How many architects do you know who are doing projects for 10k that cost 5 times that to do? Those must be independently wealthy architects in the first place, who are taking on projects purely for sport - otherwise they'd be losing their shirts and not living in doorman buildings, thus no doorman envy.
I go home at 5 too, but I don't have to be on my feet all day opening doors, and I make considerably more than your doorman. I'm curious though about the "reduced rates" that the union gets him - my mortgage is at 2.6% - how much can I reduce that by joining the doorman union?
x-jla
Jul 3, 17 9:47 am
Now look at them yoyos thats the way you do it. You open doors in the NYC. That aint working. Thats the way you do it. Money for nothing and your chicks for free...
x-jla
Jul 3, 17 10:14 am
Doormen also dont spend 100k learning Doorman theory and building diaramas of door entry situations, but thats life bulgar. You get t
x-jla
Jul 3, 17 10:17 am
*to sit at a desk all day thinking about starting doorman vs architect threads on archinect. Doormen spend all day opening doors and probably thinking about what a dick you are.
x-jla
Jul 3, 17 10:19 am
Its not nice to shit on other peoples professions. Im sure some of them have little doomen and doorwomen at home whom look up to them. Get over yourself and have respect for working people. You are entitled to NOTHING.
kjdt
Jul 3, 17 11:44 am
Your doorman is very well paid. Not sure where you're located, but the median salary for a doorman in NYC is about $18 per hour, and nationwide $15.30. Some architects in some offices in some regions may start lower than the median doorman salary, but nationwide the 75th percentile architect's salary is more than twice the 75th percentile doorman salary.
Wilma Buttfit
Jul 3, 17 12:04 pm
Doormen get paid to be pleasant and to please people. Architects could do that too if they want to get paid more.
sameolddoctor
Jul 8, 17 9:41 pm
But then they would cease to be Architects (with a capital A!)
BulgarBlogger
Jul 3, 17 12:14 pm
im talking anout entry level grads at SOM making 48k.
Erik Evens
Jul 3, 17 12:19 pm
If being a doorman would make you happy, then go be a doorman. You should do what makes you happy.
Remember, though, that being a doorman, if you are lucky you may make 60k, but you will never make more than that. If you are an architect, and are dedicated and talented, your earning potential over time is much higher than 60k.
Alexander Morley
Jul 5, 17 10:38 am
Exactly what Erik said.
kjdt
Jul 3, 17 12:40 pm
Most entry-level doorman start below minimum wage (they're legally allowed to, because it's classified as a partially tip-based job - the expectation is that tips per hour range from $3 to $8.50.) The new grad working at SOM for $23/hour (48k/year) is making more than the median-earning doorman makes, and the median-earning doorman has 8 years of doorman experience. The argument can be made that the doorman has not spent anything on tuition, and has 4 to 8 more earning years over the course of his career - but even so the architect's career-long earnings are expected to significantly exceed the doorman's, because the range from entry-level to maximum doorman salary is much smaller than for the architect.
cipyboy
Jul 3, 17 12:54 pm
...you must be the life of the party geez
kjdt
Jul 3, 17 3:06 pm
What I posted above was from Department of Labor statistics. It's classified in the same way as restaurant waitstaff, hospitality housekeepers, valets, etc., as a profession that is customarily paid in part by gratuities, thus exempt from minimum wage requirements. The starting salary is below minimum wage in most regions - only $7 to $12 an hour base.
Bloopox
Jul 3, 17 5:47 pm
Rick you're just making things up again. It's clear you have no restaurant or hospitality experience. There are no states where waiters, etc. are required to be paid full minimum wage, and very few employers pay full minimum wage to tipped workers. The federal minimum hourly rate for tipped workers is $2.13. In a few states tipped workers must be paid at least 50% of the state's minimum wage, but in most the minimum is less.
Doormen will lose their jobs when the robot workforce comes. Oh wait, so will you.
Non Sequitur
Jul 5, 17 7:52 am
I won't.
knock knock
Jul 5, 17 1:44 am
What a hideous way to measure someone's worthiness. A lot of those guys work hard to put their kids through the college. Sometimes architecture school. My friends had one from Dominican Republic who did that and was worth every penny they paid him. He had more class than many architects in Manhattan.
tduds
Jul 5, 17 2:19 pm
"The only time you look in your neighbor’s bowl is to make sure that they have enough. You don’t look in your neighbor’s bowl to see if you have as much as them." -Louis CK
Miles Jaffe
Jul 6, 17 1:40 pm
+++
Lee Robert
Jul 6, 17 12:31 pm
Bet the doorman lives within his means. This has nothing to do with a certain profession and everything to do with the way individuals choose to spend their money. They don't teach financial literacy in grad school.
LightMyFire66
Jul 6, 17 12:55 pm
These bagels and coffee are giving me diarrhea. I used to clean toilets for $2.25 per hour in 1987. At least toilets didn't give me VERBAL shit.
Hold nose / hold anus = LEED Certification, I think
As farts approach infinity : consciousness approaches zero
tduds
Jul 6, 17 12:58 pm
I don't know what you're smoking but can I have some?
Mike-LBI-NY
Jul 6, 17 3:01 pm
The union is a great place. It helps us the stand strong against our foes in some cases the big man.
Wilma Buttfit
Jul 6, 17 5:11 pm
Hey Bulgar, there's diamonds on Uranus. Go get some.
S W
Jul 6, 17 7:10 pm
Bulgar ‘blogger’ Trump. You sound like a piece of shit, and just green because you’ll never open any doors. #scumbag
archinine
Jul 8, 17 8:20 pm
RickB - clearly you googled/researched a lot but Bloopox is still correct. You are correct in that employers *should* pay min wage / make up the difference but the rule is rarely enforced especially when it comes to small businesses... speak to anyone who's worked in service, it's a common narrative to have been paid below min wage at one or more places when starting out.
That said doormen are typically paid more than tipped and often reg min wage. In reality the tips just aren't there and workers aren't willing to put up with that. Turnover is far more expensive than the pittance employers may save on sub min wages.
I have an old friend from high school who is a garbage worker and he seems happy with that career choice. They don't quite make 100k here but the 60 hour work weeks and constant stench are accurate - his wife makes him keep his work clothes in their detached garage. They installed a shower and laundry out there. I make more than he does, rarely work more than 45 hours per week, and don't have to shower in my garage, but he gets to work outdoors, is in better shape, gets to keep things that people throw away, and a lot of people give him Christmas bonuses. If the life and wages of garbage worker or doorman appeal then why stay in architecture? Those opportunities await.
x-jla
Jul 9, 17 2:54 pm
hey the other day I sat by my pool, Drank a cold beer, and spent the day sketching concepts for a cool sculptural fountain and garden im designing. So yeah, trash collectors and doorman have it much harder...and jerks like bulgar dont even want them fairly paid...
My doorman dropped out if HS and eanrs $60k and all medical benefits. He did not serve in the military, and because of the Union, borrowed money at a reduced rate and now owns several apartments. All he does all day is open doors for wealthy people and goes home at 5pm.
Next time allnof us archutects think about charging 10k for a jib we all know would cost 50k, think about weather its fair that a doorman earns more than you...
Doors need to be opened.
Yes, but does he get oohs and aahs when he tells people he opens doors for a living at cocktail parties? That's worth at least 20 grand.
Does he get marriage proposals? Doubt it.
neither do i tintt
... you're paying him. Maybe you should move.
just think aboutnit next time you undercut your fellow professionals... you are earning less than doormen without any education...
maybe you do... I certainly don't.
Don't undercut.
Looks like an even match to me.
Wow- so you people think that your time is worth as much as that of a doorman. Man are we doomed as a profession...
So now that SF and Seattle are raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, fresh grads with masters degrees earning $3-5 more must be feeling almost equally as valuable as an HS dropout working at Mcdonalds... absolutely pathetic...
Relax. Just because a few replies to your odd post don't happen to sing your song instantaneously, there's no need to get your panties all twisted.
Are you saying we should look down in a doorman whom earns an honest living? Seriously you should look at yourself in the mirror before you judge honest working folks like that.
No it isn't, being an architect is a passion whilst I doubt anyone dreams of being a doorman.
Mate, when you actually go through any type of education come back and talk.
How many doormen get to be famous?
http://www.freep.com/story/new...
So, you can afford to pay someone to open doors for you. What's there to complain about?
If all you care about is who makes the most $$$ for the least amount of effort, go after his job and your commute will only be a smooth elevator ride.
Thank you
"So, you can afford to pay someone to open doors for you. What's there to complain about? "
This. This. This. This. This.
I love my life. I'm so happy and so fortunate, and so grateful.
I don't get the connection either. Where are you living that architects are making less than 60k but doorman buildings are common? How many architects do you know who are doing projects for 10k that cost 5 times that to do? Those must be independently wealthy architects in the first place, who are taking on projects purely for sport - otherwise they'd be losing their shirts and not living in doorman buildings, thus no doorman envy.
I go home at 5 too, but I don't have to be on my feet all day opening doors, and I make considerably more than your doorman. I'm curious though about the "reduced rates" that the union gets him - my mortgage is at 2.6% - how much can I reduce that by joining the doorman union?
Now look at them yoyos thats the way you do it. You open doors in the NYC. That aint working. Thats the way you do it. Money for nothing and your chicks for free...
Doormen also dont spend 100k learning Doorman theory and building diaramas of door entry situations, but thats life bulgar. You get t
*to sit at a desk all day thinking about starting doorman vs architect threads on archinect. Doormen spend all day opening doors and probably thinking about what a dick you are.
Its not nice to shit on other peoples professions. Im sure some of them have little doomen and doorwomen at home whom look up to them. Get over yourself and have respect for working people. You are entitled to NOTHING.
Your doorman is very well paid. Not sure where you're located, but the median salary for a doorman in NYC is about $18 per hour, and nationwide $15.30. Some architects in some offices in some regions may start lower than the median doorman salary, but nationwide the 75th percentile architect's salary is more than twice the 75th percentile doorman salary.
Doormen get paid to be pleasant and to please people. Architects could do that too if they want to get paid more.
But then they would cease to be Architects (with a capital A!)
im talking anout entry level grads at SOM making 48k.
If being a doorman would make you happy, then go be a doorman. You should do what makes you happy.
Remember, though, that being a doorman, if you are lucky you may make 60k, but you will never make more than that. If you are an architect, and are dedicated and talented, your earning potential over time is much higher than 60k.
Exactly what Erik said.
Most entry-level doorman start below minimum wage (they're legally allowed to, because it's classified as a partially tip-based job - the expectation is that tips per hour range from $3 to $8.50.) The new grad working at SOM for $23/hour (48k/year) is making more than the median-earning doorman makes, and the median-earning doorman has 8 years of doorman experience. The argument can be made that the doorman has not spent anything on tuition, and has 4 to 8 more earning years over the course of his career - but even so the architect's career-long earnings are expected to significantly exceed the doorman's, because the range from entry-level to maximum doorman salary is much smaller than for the architect.
...you must be the life of the party geez
What I posted above was from Department of Labor statistics. It's classified in the same way as restaurant waitstaff, hospitality housekeepers, valets, etc., as a profession that is customarily paid in part by gratuities, thus exempt from minimum wage requirements. The starting salary is below minimum wage in most regions - only $7 to $12 an hour base.
Rick you're just making things up again. It's clear you have no restaurant or hospitality experience. There are no states where waiters, etc. are required to be paid full minimum wage, and very few employers pay full minimum wage to tipped workers. The federal minimum hourly rate for tipped workers is $2.13. In a few states tipped workers must be paid at least 50% of the state's minimum wage, but in most the minimum is less.
http://narrative.ly/the-secret...
Doormen will lose their jobs when the robot workforce comes. Oh wait, so will you.
I won't.
What a hideous way to measure someone's worthiness. A lot of those guys work hard to put their kids through the college. Sometimes architecture school. My friends had one from Dominican Republic who did that and was worth every penny they paid him. He had more class than many architects in Manhattan.
"The only time you look in your neighbor’s bowl is to make sure that they have enough. You don’t look in your neighbor’s bowl to see if you have as much as them." -Louis CK
+++
Bet the doorman lives within his means. This has nothing to do with a certain profession and everything to do with the way individuals choose to spend their money. They don't teach financial literacy in grad school.
These bagels and coffee are giving me diarrhea. I used to clean toilets for $2.25 per hour in 1987. At least toilets didn't give me VERBAL shit.
Hold nose / hold anus = LEED Certification, I think
As farts approach infinity : consciousness approaches zero
I don't know what you're smoking but can I have some?
The union is a great place. It helps us the stand strong against our foes in some cases the big man.
Hey Bulgar, there's diamonds on Uranus. Go get some.
Bulgar ‘blogger’ Trump. You sound like a piece of shit, and just green because you’ll never open any doors. #scumbag
RickB - clearly you googled/researched a lot but Bloopox is still correct. You are correct in that employers *should* pay min wage / make up the difference but the rule is rarely enforced especially when it comes to small businesses... speak to anyone who's worked in service, it's a common narrative to have been paid below min wage at one or more places when starting out.
That said doormen are typically paid more than tipped and often reg min wage. In reality the tips just aren't there and workers aren't willing to put up with that. Turnover is far more expensive than the pittance employers may save on sub min wages.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/2...
I have an old friend from high school who is a garbage worker and he seems happy with that career choice. They don't quite make 100k here but the 60 hour work weeks and constant stench are accurate - his wife makes him keep his work clothes in their detached garage. They installed a shower and laundry out there. I make more than he does, rarely work more than 45 hours per week, and don't have to shower in my garage, but he gets to work outdoors, is in better shape, gets to keep things that people throw away, and a lot of people give him Christmas bonuses. If the life and wages of garbage worker or doorman appeal then why stay in architecture? Those opportunities await.
hey the other day I sat by my pool, Drank a cold beer, and spent the day sketching concepts for a cool sculptural fountain and garden im designing. So yeah, trash collectors and doorman have it much harder...and jerks like bulgar dont even want them fairly paid...