Hi guys, I'll be starting a CM program soon and was wondering as to what exactly does a PM in the AEC world actually do? I am looking at some of the job descriptions online for openings and it seems as though that they're all over the map in terms of how different the requirements are for each opening. Some of the classes I'll be taking involve a lot of heavy stuff such as the Earned Value Method or other hard math and project management stuff. I mean do project managers for small firms use all of this? I just want to work for a small or mid size business that does construction, sub or general or even a small landscape design company. I am not looking to go work for Jacobs or AECOM. I figured it was mostly just estimating, bidding, scheduling, visiting the job site, etc.
Are there any CMs or PMs for firms in here that could shed light?
Non Sequitur
Mar 5, 17 7:05 pm
Questions like these is why we keep telling you in everyone of your posts that job experience is key for any management position.
starrchitect
Mar 5, 17 7:30 pm
Start working at a firm to get "real world" experience first, ask questions later.
wurdan freo
Mar 5, 17 7:37 pm
project managers manage projects... duh!
Jose J Pullutasig
Mar 5, 17 8:03 pm
as the job title suggest the goal is to manage projects. typically time, budget and scope. visit the PMI for more info (pmi.org)
manoverde84
Mar 5, 17 9:31 pm
Questions like these is why we keep telling you in everyone of your posts that job experience is key for any management position.
Agreed. And I am working on this.
Start working at a firm to get "real world" experience first, ask questions later.
Where should I start?
curtkram
Mar 5, 17 11:02 pm
start at the beginning. work for someone who is a project manager, see what they do, and learn from them.
citizen
Mar 6, 17 12:09 am
Very generally, almost every project of any size has "moving parts"-- tasks done by several folks (in-house labor, outside consultants, client input, public agency staff), whose various work depends upon others doing their own on time, on an ongoing basis. This involves coordination, communication, correspondence, occasional meetings, etcetera, etcetera. The PM manages this process, among other responsibilities.
manoverde84
Mar 6, 17 12:56 am
start at the beginning. work for someone who is a project manager, see what they do, and learn from them.
I think the hardest part is finding someone who will hire at entry level. I mean do you just asking around and seeing if anyone needs an assistant?
curtkram
Mar 6, 17 7:31 am
asking around is your best bet. you could also look at help wanted ads. get a job at the place you want to work or the industry you want to work in, tell them you're happy to start at an entry level position when you interview, but let them know you want to be trained up and you want the opportunity to work into management.
manoverde84
Mar 6, 17 1:36 pm
I could literally ask around the job sites to see if they need any entry level help? As in administrative help, right? I am assuming cus that is basically all I have to offer right now.
Hopefully they'll need the help.
BulgarBlogger
Mar 6, 17 2:00 pm
At construction companies, they pretend to work all day and stay late without being productive, meanwhile expecting high quality from their subordinates (who actually do the real work) until they get promoted to partner...
Josh Mings
Mar 6, 17 2:03 pm
manoverde84
Mar 6, 17 6:04 pm
LOL. Yes, see that is the impression I am getting because the job descriptions for each job listing seem so varied and vague. I guess I should've just signed up for a certificate not a masters because I am just looking to do some basic estimating, bidding and scheduling. Do project managers use a lot of these advanced equations such as the earned value method? Will all this be applicable on the job? Creating work breakdown structures?
I figured project managers used software for the majority of the work.
Hi guys, I'll be starting a CM program soon and was wondering as to what exactly does a PM in the AEC world actually do? I am looking at some of the job descriptions online for openings and it seems as though that they're all over the map in terms of how different the requirements are for each opening. Some of the classes I'll be taking involve a lot of heavy stuff such as the Earned Value Method or other hard math and project management stuff. I mean do project managers for small firms use all of this? I just want to work for a small or mid size business that does construction, sub or general or even a small landscape design company. I am not looking to go work for Jacobs or AECOM. I figured it was mostly just estimating, bidding, scheduling, visiting the job site, etc.
Are there any CMs or PMs for firms in here that could shed light?
Questions like these is why we keep telling you in everyone of your posts that job experience is key for any management position.
Start working at a firm to get "real world" experience first, ask questions later.
project managers manage projects... duh!
as the job title suggest the goal is to manage projects. typically time, budget and scope. visit the PMI for more info (pmi.org)
Questions like these is why we keep telling you in everyone of your posts that job experience is key for any management position.
Agreed. And I am working on this.
Start working at a firm to get "real world" experience first, ask questions later.
Where should I start?
start at the beginning. work for someone who is a project manager, see what they do, and learn from them.
Very generally, almost every project of any size has "moving parts"-- tasks done by several folks (in-house labor, outside consultants, client input, public agency staff), whose various work depends upon others doing their own on time, on an ongoing basis. This involves coordination, communication, correspondence, occasional meetings, etcetera, etcetera. The PM manages this process, among other responsibilities.
start at the beginning. work for someone who is a project manager, see what they do, and learn from them.
I think the hardest part is finding someone who will hire at entry level. I mean do you just asking around and seeing if anyone needs an assistant?
asking around is your best bet. you could also look at help wanted ads. get a job at the place you want to work or the industry you want to work in, tell them you're happy to start at an entry level position when you interview, but let them know you want to be trained up and you want the opportunity to work into management.
I could literally ask around the job sites to see if they need any entry level help? As in administrative help, right? I am assuming cus that is basically all I have to offer right now.
Hopefully they'll need the help.
At construction companies, they pretend to work all day and stay late without being productive, meanwhile expecting high quality from their subordinates (who actually do the real work) until they get promoted to partner...
LOL. Yes, see that is the impression I am getting because the job descriptions for each job listing seem so varied and vague. I guess I should've just signed up for a certificate not a masters because I am just looking to do some basic estimating, bidding and scheduling. Do project managers use a lot of these advanced equations such as the earned value method? Will all this be applicable on the job? Creating work breakdown structures?
I figured project managers used software for the majority of the work.