I am currently working on the idea of camouflage and Architecture...And in that I am focusing on how I can create illusion and I can blurr the vision of the enemy ... Worried I am....I need suggestions for creation of my thesis statement..Also the direction I can move in, inorder to achieve tthe blended mode of Architecture ...Rather than making Architecture monumental and visible
SneakyPete
Feb 9, 17 12:13 pm
"blurr the vision of the enemy"? Are you designing for war zones? Camouflaging existing buildings to save non-combatant's lives? Or Camouflaging military installations? The former is interesting, the latter is not. Is this part of architecture's set of roles?
Peter Normand
Feb 9, 17 1:49 pm
During World War 2 and the Cold War after lots of American factories and critical bunkers were disguised. There was an airplane assembly facility in Washington state with fake houses trees cars and even playgrounds on the roof so it looked like a typical suburban neighborhood from the air.
More recently there is an attempt to expand buildings, typically museums underground so as to detach and not disrupt the neoclassical buildings which are often civic symbols in their own right
There are still efforts to hide or soften the security systems used to prevent truck bombs from ramming into public buildings. This happened after the Oklahoma City terrorist attack in the 90s where benches and landscaping became engineered barriers. Also in this time a lot of heavy sculpture and generous plazas and closed off pedestrian streets showed up as part of the new security reality that truck bombs can and will happen in the US.
This can be an interesting topic but maybe needs to be a little more narrow so you don't go crazy researching all there is out in the world on camouflage architecture.
great conversation. everything should be camouflage.
hard to beat a ghillie suit. i think this would be the architectural equivalent:
probably less green if you're in Karachi though?
mightyaa
Feb 9, 17 8:08 pm
Cappadocia, Turkey
Mesa Verde, Colorado cliff homes
S W
Feb 9, 17 9:35 pm
mightyaa thanks for some food for thought, Dogon lands in Mali are similar, as are some contemporary (unbuilt) projects that spring to mind.
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 9, 17 10:58 pm
@kevin wagner, can you please tell me the name of the book? and possibly a link too.
@cutkram, this is the confusion actually that after understanding camouflaging technique, its history etc, what place exactly i ll be going to make in order to it be enemyproof.
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 9, 17 11:01 pm
@peter normand, can you please tell that what possibly i can cater when i say ''enemyproof''
does it necessarily mean to be terrorsits? or can our enemy be the polluted congested, carbon filled environment
curtkram
Feb 10, 17 9:17 am
i don't know if i like the idea of looking for an enemy when you don't have one. seems like republican strategy. not working.
the thought that there is a position for an enemy that isn't being filled should be replaced with the thought that we can just try to be friends.
just paint it camo. you don't even need an enemy, and it's awesome.
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 10, 17 9:24 am
@cutkram, its a thesis project, i cant just paint it....
i have to work on a philosophy and i am supposed to derive conclusions, the research phase and design should be interconnected....
help me in raising questions that why camouflaged...
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 10, 17 10:17 am
@cutkram, its not about looking for an enemy, they are everywhere, if you know what happened to army public school peshawar, that brutal massacre of kids, i feel that its a need to design anti terrorist space, because in pakistan you dont know when you get attacked...
Volunteer
Feb 10, 17 12:28 pm
Well, you could always fly the ISIS flag over the Louvre. That might help some. Maybe Notre Dame, too, while you are at it. Make that puppy into a mosque!
Kevin Wagner
Feb 10, 17 12:31 pm
Sorry, unfamiliar with any book on the subject, the "hard to find" comment was a poor attempt at camo humor.
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 10, 17 10:38 pm
@Chris,
that's what i am aiming for (that suggesting camouflage not as direct as having a bunker'', i am aiming to pick up the current urban environment, i don't know may be I pickup the number of people that are homeless and cant afford to live in a home, and i provide a shelter within an operational facility, what if i make transforming billboards, that manipulate at nighttime, these are just thoughts, i am trying to figure out the correct definition of enemy to architecture and then how to camouflage the habitat so that the architecture is hidden in the environment yet its there, one idea could be that '' it does not necessarily means that architecture is visible, and prominent. i think i am not narrowing down stuff...
because if i work for urban environments then my jurers will gona ask that why only camouflage...thats whats disturbing...in my opinion i want to put less impact on the surrounding, because we are already living in a highly urban city..whos population has exceeded..
chris, also i was thinking of making underground spaces, but my internal teacher ask me that its not as challenging, what is more challenging is how being on ground i create illusion...
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 11, 17 10:25 pm
@chris, shed some light on my thoughts.....
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 12, 17 1:25 am
@ chris,
i got it...thanks
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 12, 17 1:35 am
@ chris,
i am making my first presentation and by the end of this week i m gona finalise to what exactly my approach will be....btw i am still confused...i dont know why am i taking too long to decide what i ll be doing.. you know what fears a student, when your juror confuses you...while you are speaking, but my philosophy is simple... that is architecture all about being seen? or its about camouflaged....now my task is to bridge all the gap through out my idea to architecture..
at point i feel like just making pointers( spires) lighthouses in the sea..
thanks chris.
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 12, 17 2:01 am
@ Chris,
got a tip, its that i should convince myself about my ideas in order to make others CONVINCED..
randomised
Feb 12, 17 8:35 am
Dazzle...
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 13, 17 8:39 pm
chris
my turn didnot come yesterday, its today, my panel is ready, lets see how it goes..fingers crossed.
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 14, 17 6:36 am
chris,
my presentation did not go well, they want me to explore more about the idea of camouflage...and they want me to clear my self...eventhough i was trying to clarify them that iv gone through everything.
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 14, 17 8:05 am
churna island
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 14, 17 8:13 am
waiting for your reply chris...shed some light....
l3wis
Feb 21, 17 11:54 am
your topic made me think of Jewish synagogues. After the diaspora, Jewish communities were spread throughout Europe, Africa, the Middle East, etc. Their synagogues adapted to the local architectural style in order to blend in. In many places there was discrimination or persecution so this was important. (I'm not sure if they fooled anyone but the adoption of local style helped them fit in).
Later on, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries in Europe for example, Jewish synagogues became much more like Christian churches in configuration and grandeur. Another adaptation to local culture.
randomised
Feb 22, 17 8:14 am
he's still waiting for your light...
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 22, 17 8:41 am
anyone of you who can suggest me that i should study this this and etc.....
this is one of the site...its juniper forest in ziarat pakistan....this is world heritage site....the whole point is that these forests are depleting because the local villagers use wood for cooking purposes....and there is nothing to look after it...so i was thinking that on this beautiful, ecological site what if i build a research and training centre for the local villagers where they can get trained etc and also a centre where they can guide tourists and can provide tourist a resting space..
i only need strong reasons for justifying camouflaging? why camouflage??????this question is..huh .... i am soooo fedup....
why chosing this site why not other why nature and camouflage.....
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 22, 17 8:43 am
chris you are such an expierenced architect, cant you just help me in carrying forward my thesis????
Non Sequitur
Feb 22, 17 8:54 am
If thesis work and research was this easy, we'd all have 8 Phds to our names.
Sounds like you're trying to use architecture to solve a social problem and if that doesn't hit home, perhaps a series of moats will do the trick.
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 22, 17 9:13 am
i know it is not that easy.....you have to struggle alot
randomised
Feb 22, 17 9:00 am
There's no shame in failing.
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 22, 17 9:13 am
needs lots of courage to fail..
randomised
Feb 22, 17 9:46 am
You seem well on your way, maybe some distance and reflection will do you good.
randomised
Feb 22, 17 9:13 am
Or just pay for some consults by Metamechanics LLC :)
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 22, 17 9:15 am
I have to do it on my own...by the way architects here advise for free...they say your topic is interesting, but prove it by any means...
Non Sequitur
Feb 22, 17 9:33 am
Interesting does not mean much.
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Feb 22, 17 9:35 am
yes ofcourse
x-jla
Feb 22, 17 2:15 pm
Interesting topic. Ive talked about the insidious nature of "camouflage" in suburban strip malls. The idea of blending in seems out of sinc and counter intuitive with the idea of advertisement, but in fact, the masking of the corporate disconnection to place is a very successful tactic in suburban big box strip malls. The illusion of a big box grocery store being of the place somehow guards against negative health connotations and the fact that this breed of business is a fairly recent (a few decades) invasive species on american small businesses...
randomised
Feb 22, 17 2:45 pm
That reminds me of the BEST Products stores by SITE/James Wines.
Maleeha Khan Durrani
Mar 9, 17 10:45 pm
chris iv finally started working on biomimicry....all cool now..
randomised
Mar 10, 17 5:10 am
Why not archimimicry, design nature to look and perform like architecture and make a gesammtkunstwerk out of it?
wiltshire.pat55
Mar 10, 17 9:18 am
this Instagram photo of architecture in Turkey is something you should see,
I am currently working on the idea of camouflage and Architecture...And in that I am focusing on how I can create illusion and I can blurr the vision of the enemy ... Worried I am....I need suggestions for creation of my thesis statement..Also the direction I can move in, inorder to achieve tthe blended mode of Architecture ...Rather than making Architecture monumental and visible
"blurr the vision of the enemy"? Are you designing for war zones? Camouflaging existing buildings to save non-combatant's lives? Or Camouflaging military installations? The former is interesting, the latter is not. Is this part of architecture's set of roles?
During World War 2 and the Cold War after lots of American factories and critical bunkers were disguised. There was an airplane assembly facility in Washington state with fake houses trees cars and even playgrounds on the roof so it looked like a typical suburban neighborhood from the air.
More recently there is an attempt to expand buildings, typically museums underground so as to detach and not disrupt the neoclassical buildings which are often civic symbols in their own right
There are still efforts to hide or soften the security systems used to prevent truck bombs from ramming into public buildings. This happened after the Oklahoma City terrorist attack in the 90s where benches and landscaping became engineered barriers. Also in this time a lot of heavy sculpture and generous plazas and closed off pedestrian streets showed up as part of the new security reality that truck bombs can and will happen in the US.
This can be an interesting topic but maybe needs to be a little more narrow so you don't go crazy researching all there is out in the world on camouflage architecture.
Over and OUT
Peter N
DPM
There's a book on camouflage design..but it's really hard to find.
it can still be found second hand Kevin.
When you get the book you can treat yourself to the following:
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v663187NbmjqR55
great conversation. everything should be camouflage.
hard to beat a ghillie suit. i think this would be the architectural equivalent:
probably less green if you're in Karachi though?
Cappadocia, Turkey
Mesa Verde, Colorado cliff homes
mightyaa thanks for some food for thought, Dogon lands in Mali are similar, as are some contemporary (unbuilt) projects that spring to mind.
@kevin wagner, can you please tell me the name of the book? and possibly a link too.
@cutkram, this is the confusion actually that after understanding camouflaging technique, its history etc, what place exactly i ll be going to make in order to it be enemyproof.
@peter normand, can you please tell that what possibly i can cater when i say ''enemyproof''
does it necessarily mean to be terrorsits? or can our enemy be the polluted congested, carbon filled environment
i don't know if i like the idea of looking for an enemy when you don't have one. seems like republican strategy. not working.
the thought that there is a position for an enemy that isn't being filled should be replaced with the thought that we can just try to be friends.
just paint it camo. you don't even need an enemy, and it's awesome.
@cutkram, its a thesis project, i cant just paint it....
i have to work on a philosophy and i am supposed to derive conclusions, the research phase and design should be interconnected....
help me in raising questions that why camouflaged...
@cutkram, its not about looking for an enemy, they are everywhere, if you know what happened to army public school peshawar, that brutal massacre of kids, i feel that its a need to design anti terrorist space, because in pakistan you dont know when you get attacked...
Well, you could always fly the ISIS flag over the Louvre. That might help some. Maybe Notre Dame, too, while you are at it. Make that puppy into a mosque!
Sorry, unfamiliar with any book on the subject, the "hard to find" comment was a poor attempt at camo humor.
@Chris,
that's what i am aiming for (that suggesting camouflage not as direct as having a bunker'', i am aiming to pick up the current urban environment, i don't know may be I pickup the number of people that are homeless and cant afford to live in a home, and i provide a shelter within an operational facility, what if i make transforming billboards, that manipulate at nighttime, these are just thoughts, i am trying to figure out the correct definition of enemy to architecture and then how to camouflage the habitat so that the architecture is hidden in the environment yet its there, one idea could be that '' it does not necessarily means that architecture is visible, and prominent. i think i am not narrowing down stuff...
because if i work for urban environments then my jurers will gona ask that why only camouflage...thats whats disturbing...in my opinion i want to put less impact on the surrounding, because we are already living in a highly urban city..whos population has exceeded..
chris, also i was thinking of making underground spaces, but my internal teacher ask me that its not as challenging, what is more challenging is how being on ground i create illusion...
@chris, shed some light on my thoughts.....
@ chris,
i got it...thanks
@ chris,
i am making my first presentation and by the end of this week i m gona finalise to what exactly my approach will be....btw i am still confused...i dont know why am i taking too long to decide what i ll be doing.. you know what fears a student, when your juror confuses you...while you are speaking, but my philosophy is simple... that is architecture all about being seen? or its about camouflaged....now my task is to bridge all the gap through out my idea to architecture..
at point i feel like just making pointers( spires) lighthouses in the sea..
thanks chris.
@ Chris,
got a tip, its that i should convince myself about my ideas in order to make others CONVINCED..
Dazzle...
chris
my turn didnot come yesterday, its today, my panel is ready, lets see how it goes..fingers crossed.
chris,
my presentation did not go well, they want me to explore more about the idea of camouflage...and they want me to clear my self...eventhough i was trying to clarify them that iv gone through everything.
waiting for your reply chris...shed some light....
your topic made me think of Jewish synagogues. After the diaspora, Jewish communities were spread throughout Europe, Africa, the Middle East, etc. Their synagogues adapted to the local architectural style in order to blend in. In many places there was discrimination or persecution so this was important. (I'm not sure if they fooled anyone but the adoption of local style helped them fit in).
Later on, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries in Europe for example, Jewish synagogues became much more like Christian churches in configuration and grandeur. Another adaptation to local culture.
he's still waiting for your light...
anyone of you who can suggest me that i should study this this and etc.....
this is one of the site...its juniper forest in ziarat pakistan....this is world heritage site....the whole point is that these forests are depleting because the local villagers use wood for cooking purposes....and there is nothing to look after it...so i was thinking that on this beautiful, ecological site what if i build a research and training centre for the local villagers where they can get trained etc and also a centre where they can guide tourists and can provide tourist a resting space..
i only need strong reasons for justifying camouflaging? why camouflage??????this question is..huh .... i am soooo fedup....
why chosing this site why not other why nature and camouflage.....
chris you are such an expierenced architect, cant you just help me in carrying forward my thesis????
If thesis work and research was this easy, we'd all have 8 Phds to our names.
Sounds like you're trying to use architecture to solve a social problem and if that doesn't hit home, perhaps a series of moats will do the trick.
i know it is not that easy.....you have to struggle alot
There's no shame in failing.
needs lots of courage to fail..
You seem well on your way, maybe some distance and reflection will do you good.
Or just pay for some consults by Metamechanics LLC :)
I have to do it on my own...by the way architects here advise for free...they say your topic is interesting, but prove it by any means...
Interesting does not mean much.
yes ofcourse
Interesting topic. Ive talked about the insidious nature of "camouflage" in suburban strip malls. The idea of blending in seems out of sinc and counter intuitive with the idea of advertisement, but in fact, the masking of the corporate disconnection to place is a very successful tactic in suburban big box strip malls. The illusion of a big box grocery store being of the place somehow guards against negative health connotations and the fact that this breed of business is a fairly recent (a few decades) invasive species on american small businesses...
That reminds me of the BEST Products stores by SITE/James Wines.
chris iv finally started working on biomimicry....all cool now..
Why not archimimicry, design nature to look and perform like architecture and make a gesammtkunstwerk out of it?
this Instagram photo of architecture in Turkey is something you should see,
100% camouflage architecture
Can still see the rocks though
rocks looking great