Hi, I am going to study MArch in Boston Architectural college and I have 5 years of study in Bachelor in Architecture outside U.S graduated in 2011 and 4 years of work experience in Saudi Arabia.
As the experience is outside U.S and because I will work for fullfillling practice requirements for the master , in which position I should put myself in when I go there or what employers will put me into in reality :
According to AIA website there are several poisitons http://info.aia.org/salary/salary.aspx , I am confused, can I count my experience outside U.S as an experience when applying to architectural firms in U.S ? or will I start from zero ground in Intern 1 category (hoping not) ?
Should I put myself in intern I or Intern 2 or Intern 3 or unlicensed architect and design staff 1 ?
Please advise,
Thank you in advance.
Non Sequitur
Jan 5, 17 10:30 am
Intern 1 as a base, perhaps higher if your foreign experience is translatable to USA codes and building practices. 4 years working in saudi-arabia does not, automatically, equal 4 years working in the USA. The content of your portfolio should determine how high up the intern scale you fall.
sameolddoctor
Jan 5, 17 6:39 pm
Doggystyle
stone
Jan 5, 17 6:51 pm
^ sameolddoctor wins the Internet for Thursday, January 5, 2017.
ahmad4343
Jan 6, 17 7:13 am
Interesting, if anyone has the answer for that like what is the criteria used and other stuff, that will be awesome.
Fivescore
Jan 6, 17 5:03 pm
What you're describing is roughly the equivalent of a US undergraduate pre-professional degree in architecture, and a few years of pre-license work experience. I certainly wouldn't consider you an Intern 1. An intern 1 is often still a student, has very little experience in any sort of design firm setting, and sometimes no employment experience whatsoever. If your experience were US experience then I'd put you in unlicensed/designer category - but I do agree with the statement above that international experience doesn't usually directly equate with US experience. People with a few years of experience outside of the US or Canada usually come into US offices and encounter a pretty steep learning curve that sets them back a couple years - so that might put you more in the Intern 3 zone.
I'm curious as to what you mean regarding practice requirements for the master, as US M.Arch programs don't have such requirements. How much experience are you required to get for the program(s) you're planning to attend, and how does that affect the types of role or tasks you'd need to be doing in a US firm?
arch76
Jan 7, 17 2:34 am
Does BAC have the requirement that you work while you study there? If so, that may give your future employer some leverage as to their offer if this is an issue of pay. If this is an issue of title, I would read through the position descriptions on the AIA site in your link and determine where you fall on the spectrum + things like your code and construction competence, technical prowess, etc.
ahmad4343
Jan 15, 17 11:22 am
yes , BAC has. How I can offset that wages per hour if someone can help ?
DeTwan
Jan 15, 17 11:42 am
A bad one, thats the position your in. Everyone in architecture is in that boat. Just look and where the stock market was in 2007, now today.
ahmad4343
Jan 15, 17 11:45 am
DeTwan , i Can not understand you clearly what you are pointing, please explain more I need to listen to your opinion by numbers and exact position.
DeTwan
Jan 15, 17 12:25 pm
All im trying to say is that architecture is at the whim of the economy. There is a massive currency war going on between the east and the west (US troops going to Poland & China building military base in the South China Sea) . China and Russia are going to be announcing a gold backed currency in the near future, they are going to start making their currency out of gold instead of the fiat currency system that is based on faith & trust. They want to be positioned to take the world reserve currency away from the dollar, which happened to Britain in the 70's. That is why the DOW and the US stock markets are so inflated. It's the only thing from keeping the world banks from imploding, once the US dollar loses world reserve statues, the US will be in a world of hurt. That's if WW3 doesnt break out before then...
Bench
Jan 15, 17 6:16 pm
Yes those are certainly some truly architecture specific problems Detwan, the OP should enter a profession that isn't influenced by the economy and/or uses currency.
Non Sequitur
Jan 15, 17 6:28 pm
I can see Nic cage as the lead star in detwan's movie.
DeTwan
Jan 15, 17 6:55 pm
Im sure youre as cute in person as you are on here NS.
Bench, just google "Is architecture a good career", first thing that pops up is, "want a job? Then dont major in architecture".
I wish I had someone with more insight telling me what a joke the field was before I wasted a lot of time and money on it.
There is only so much time you can spend in school "fairytale architecture", before you meet real world architecture aka 'slave architecture'.
Hopefully the OP has a lot family money from oil.
DeTwan
Jan 15, 17 7:09 pm
And NS we all know how cool and awesome at life you are. But, do plz tell us again...
Non Sequitur
Jan 15, 17 7:20 pm
Surely better than you, but there is no honor in meeting the minimums.
DeTwan
Jan 15, 17 7:31 pm
ouch...lol, you make me smile
Non Sequitur
Jan 15, 17 7:37 pm
Then my job is done here.
Now if putting my 7-month old to bed was as easy I'd be spending my time deciding which beer or single malt to have instead.
Hi, I am going to study MArch in Boston Architectural college and I have 5 years of study in Bachelor in Architecture outside U.S graduated in 2011 and 4 years of work experience in Saudi Arabia.
As the experience is outside U.S and because I will work for fullfillling practice requirements for the master , in which position I should put myself in when I go there or what employers will put me into in reality :
According to AIA website there are several poisitons http://info.aia.org/salary/salary.aspx , I am confused, can I count my experience outside U.S as an experience when applying to architectural firms in U.S ? or will I start from zero ground in Intern 1 category (hoping not) ?
Should I put myself in intern I or Intern 2 or Intern 3 or unlicensed architect and design staff 1 ?
Please advise,
Thank you in advance.
Intern 1 as a base, perhaps higher if your foreign experience is translatable to USA codes and building practices. 4 years working in saudi-arabia does not, automatically, equal 4 years working in the USA. The content of your portfolio should determine how high up the intern scale you fall.
Doggystyle
^ sameolddoctor wins the Internet for Thursday, January 5, 2017.
Interesting, if anyone has the answer for that like what is the criteria used and other stuff, that will be awesome.
What you're describing is roughly the equivalent of a US undergraduate pre-professional degree in architecture, and a few years of pre-license work experience. I certainly wouldn't consider you an Intern 1. An intern 1 is often still a student, has very little experience in any sort of design firm setting, and sometimes no employment experience whatsoever. If your experience were US experience then I'd put you in unlicensed/designer category - but I do agree with the statement above that international experience doesn't usually directly equate with US experience. People with a few years of experience outside of the US or Canada usually come into US offices and encounter a pretty steep learning curve that sets them back a couple years - so that might put you more in the Intern 3 zone.
I'm curious as to what you mean regarding practice requirements for the master, as US M.Arch programs don't have such requirements. How much experience are you required to get for the program(s) you're planning to attend, and how does that affect the types of role or tasks you'd need to be doing in a US firm?
Does BAC have the requirement that you work while you study there? If so, that may give your future employer some leverage as to their offer if this is an issue of pay. If this is an issue of title, I would read through the position descriptions on the AIA site in your link and determine where you fall on the spectrum + things like your code and construction competence, technical prowess, etc.
yes , BAC has. How I can offset that wages per hour if someone can help ?
A bad one, thats the position your in. Everyone in architecture is in that boat. Just look and where the stock market was in 2007, now today.
DeTwan , i Can not understand you clearly what you are pointing, please explain more I need to listen to your opinion by numbers and exact position.
All im trying to say is that architecture is at the whim of the economy. There is a massive currency war going on between the east and the west (US troops going to Poland & China building military base in the South China Sea) . China and Russia are going to be announcing a gold backed currency in the near future, they are going to start making their currency out of gold instead of the fiat currency system that is based on faith & trust. They want to be positioned to take the world reserve currency away from the dollar, which happened to Britain in the 70's. That is why the DOW and the US stock markets are so inflated. It's the only thing from keeping the world banks from imploding, once the US dollar loses world reserve statues, the US will be in a world of hurt. That's if WW3 doesnt break out before then...
Yes those are certainly some truly architecture specific problems Detwan, the OP should enter a profession that isn't influenced by the economy and/or uses currency.
I can see Nic cage as the lead star in detwan's movie.
Im sure youre as cute in person as you are on here NS.
Bench, just google "Is architecture a good career", first thing that pops up is, "want a job? Then dont major in architecture".
I wish I had someone with more insight telling me what a joke the field was before I wasted a lot of time and money on it.
There is only so much time you can spend in school "fairytale architecture", before you meet real world architecture aka 'slave architecture'.
Hopefully the OP has a lot family money from oil.
And NS we all know how cool and awesome at life you are. But, do plz tell us again...
Surely better than you, but there is no honor in meeting the minimums.
ouch...lol, you make me smile
Then my job is done here.
Now if putting my 7-month old to bed was as easy I'd be spending my time deciding which beer or single malt to have instead.