Can someone explain me the level of detailing for building permit? This project I am talking about doesn't need the bidding process and the contractor is already known to the owner and architect before the start of the schematic design. Do you need all the details that you usually show at the end of design development? Or can tiny details like a hand drier, coat hook, and drain in the washroom all be omitted?
Non Sequitur
Jul 6, 16 9:36 am
Why are you drafting this project instead if the architect, or at the very least, a competent tech?
THEaquino
Jul 6, 16 11:21 am
Both the architect and GC should know the level of detail needed for the jurisdiction they are pulling a permit for.
For my old office, DD sets were usually ok as long as all the code stuff was right.
proto
Jul 6, 16 4:04 pm
permit set scope is all about satisfying code issues: life safety, energy, structural, plumbing counts, planning (zoning, etc), state or municipal rules, etc. Finishes are typically not included unless the program requires the jurisdiction to review (food service, for instance, may require certain finishes). Some jurisdictions also require design/build subs to have their work submitted with the permit docs (trusses or sprinklers, etc).
It typically is more expensive to break down the sets and issue a permit set & then a construction set because it brings more complexity to a project that otherwise could be handled in one complete set.
Owners that need this sort of phasing typically understand what they're getting and what they're missing in the permit set and are willing to absorb the cost of the added complexity in exchange for the speed of initiating permit review & starting construction.
It brings added risk for coordination as changes are inevitably made between permitting and construction
no_form
Jul 6, 16 5:15 pm
onizo, please carefully read through the "CPBD exam specifications under review by NCBD" thread.
in it you will discover many of the things that can go wrong producing a permit set when you have a beginner's skill set. hopefully you can get some tips from it and also think about who you can go to for help should you need it.
mightyaa
Jul 6, 16 7:59 pm
Shocked no one has stated:
IBC, Chapter 1, Section 107 "Submittal Documents"... Unless amended locally, this is the minimum submittal requirements.
whistler
Jul 7, 16 1:02 am
Learned to avoid taking on jobs for folks that "just need a permit set". Not a great long term plan or a quality you want to get known for as it attracts all the bottom feeders.
Everyday Intern
Jul 7, 16 11:49 am
"Can someone explain me the level of detailing for building permit?"
The architect (your client/employer depending on your business relationship) can. If not, quit and find an architect to work for that is willing to train/mentor/supervise you.
+1 to what no_form and mightyaa said.
Dangermouse
Jul 7, 16 1:35 pm
balkins, balkins, balkins.....
no_form
Jul 7, 16 3:03 pm
nooo dangermouse! just stick with the handbook!
gdub
Jul 10, 16 3:23 pm
80% DD is what you go to the City with. Proto gives you a good explanation.
The opinion of every architect/mentor will be different in most offices.
A separate BP and CD set is not an issue, if it is tracked well. I love to print the sets in different colors(BP set=blue, CD set=pink or yellow).
Make sure that the Owner and GC have a good understanding of at what point the drawings will be tendered to each of the various Sub-Trades. When submitting for BP, all of the foundation and excavation stuff should be good to go for tender, have the GC wait on tendering the rest to the Sub Trades until the CD set is issued.
Whether or not you separate into BP, Tender Set and CD drawing set, is based on the size and type of the project, the Owner and the quality of the GC.
Sometimes the Owner wants the BP set for submission and budgeting. Between BP and CD set is where value engineering comes in. The BP set and the CD set are major milestones in the contract with the Owner. Use the Owner to define the level of detail that they want, as they will be the one who will be upset when/if there is a big difference in cost(from the GC) between the BP and CD set.
Hi,
Can someone explain me the level of detailing for building permit? This project I am talking about doesn't need the bidding process and the contractor is already known to the owner and architect before the start of the schematic design. Do you need all the details that you usually show at the end of design development? Or can tiny details like a hand drier, coat hook, and drain in the washroom all be omitted?
Why are you drafting this project instead if the architect, or at the very least, a competent tech?
Both the architect and GC should know the level of detail needed for the jurisdiction they are pulling a permit for.
For my old office, DD sets were usually ok as long as all the code stuff was right.
permit set scope is all about satisfying code issues: life safety, energy, structural, plumbing counts, planning (zoning, etc), state or municipal rules, etc. Finishes are typically not included unless the program requires the jurisdiction to review (food service, for instance, may require certain finishes). Some jurisdictions also require design/build subs to have their work submitted with the permit docs (trusses or sprinklers, etc).
It typically is more expensive to break down the sets and issue a permit set & then a construction set because it brings more complexity to a project that otherwise could be handled in one complete set.
Owners that need this sort of phasing typically understand what they're getting and what they're missing in the permit set and are willing to absorb the cost of the added complexity in exchange for the speed of initiating permit review & starting construction.
It brings added risk for coordination as changes are inevitably made between permitting and construction
onizo, please carefully read through the "CPBD exam specifications under review by NCBD" thread.
http://archinect.com/forum/thread/149942221/cpbd-exam-specifications-under-review-by-ncbdc
in it you will discover many of the things that can go wrong producing a permit set when you have a beginner's skill set. hopefully you can get some tips from it and also think about who you can go to for help should you need it.
Shocked no one has stated:
IBC, Chapter 1, Section 107 "Submittal Documents"... Unless amended locally, this is the minimum submittal requirements.
Learned to avoid taking on jobs for folks that "just need a permit set". Not a great long term plan or a quality you want to get known for as it attracts all the bottom feeders.
"Can someone explain me the level of detailing for building permit?"
The architect (your client/employer depending on your business relationship) can. If not, quit and find an architect to work for that is willing to train/mentor/supervise you.
+1 to what no_form and mightyaa said.
balkins, balkins, balkins.....
nooo dangermouse! just stick with the handbook!