Glass door makes it sound awful. 50-80 work weeks, pigeonholing, politics, overly competitive. And then you look at salary. It's a pittance.
David Cole, AIA
Nov 20, 15 5:38 pm
A few classmates of mine did co-op placements at KPF. The hours were brutal, but they got paid for overtime and were able to make some pretty good bank. It sucks for salaried employees, though.
BR.TN
Nov 20, 15 5:44 pm
KPF > SOM
null pointer
Nov 20, 15 6:21 pm
I knew it. BR.TN works at KPF.
The whole talk about 14 principals.
awaiting_deletion
Nov 20, 15 6:32 pm
talented, but do they make good life decisions.....who was that guy,Kevin Kennon maybe, one of my favorite architecure stories.....apparently this designer (not bothering to google but pretty sure its kenon) was publishing Kpf work as his own. KPF was not happy and they fired him (in short). he kept coming to work. they packed all his shit. kept coming to work, security threw him out kicking and screaming. then years later (same person telling me this story) saw him lecture at Cooper or something and he was still fuming.....ah corporate architecture.
curtkram
Nov 20, 15 6:45 pm
there you go. all you have to do is survive a meat grinder to become principal. maybe he's right about the environment he's in. just believe in what you're doing enough that you don't see the down sides and when the shit hits the fan, smile and say 'thank you sir, may i have another.'
null pointer
Nov 20, 15 6:59 pm
PS, having worked with about 25 different firms in my consultant days, I can tell you that KPF ranks next to dead-last. The three principals I worked with were as dumb as they come. SOM, on the other hand, was full of brilliant people. I never felt like I was babysitting those guys.
Wilma Buttfit
Nov 20, 15 7:02 pm
so, null, are you saying BRTN is in the right place?
archiwutm8
Nov 20, 15 8:21 pm
haa...If you want grinders try Fosters or Zaha.
ivorykeyboard
Nov 21, 15 12:43 pm
at least Fosters pays
midlander
Nov 21, 15 8:37 pm
who was dead last, null? vinoly?
null pointer
Nov 22, 15 3:28 pm
Nope, kpf makes vinoly look like fucking rock stars.
zonker
Nov 22, 15 3:47 pm
Its the way it is folks - KPF, HOH, RVA -Whatever major league firm)- During and after the recession architecture firms and construction companies needed to go to a more aggressive schedules with fewer people - so in order to meet tighter deadlines with less people, it became necessary for the team members to rise to the occasion or get washed out - many firms have a high turnover rate because of this - its hard to maintain the new expected pace w/o burning out - its tough - many firms will try you out on a temp basis for 3 or 4 weeks to see if you "have it" most sadly do not and are told to "pack their tools" after they fail the trial period -
Has anyone heard about layoffs at KPF New York? Was wondering what percentage of staff, if anyone knew the reason, how quickly it happened and when...
In heard it is due to a China backlog shrinkage. No idea how serious. Prolly not very.
NYC firms are so busy right now that it will probably take those employees about five minutes to find new positions.
prophetic:
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Kohn-Pedersen-Fox-RVW8635312.htm
Glass door makes it sound awful. 50-80 work weeks, pigeonholing, politics, overly competitive. And then you look at salary. It's a pittance.
A few classmates of mine did co-op placements at KPF. The hours were brutal, but they got paid for overtime and were able to make some pretty good bank. It sucks for salaried employees, though.
KPF > SOM
I knew it. BR.TN works at KPF.
The whole talk about 14 principals.
talented, but do they make good life decisions.....who was that guy,Kevin Kennon maybe, one of my favorite architecure stories.....apparently this designer (not bothering to google but pretty sure its kenon) was publishing Kpf work as his own. KPF was not happy and they fired him (in short). he kept coming to work. they packed all his shit. kept coming to work, security threw him out kicking and screaming. then years later (same person telling me this story) saw him lecture at Cooper or something and he was still fuming.....ah corporate architecture.
there you go. all you have to do is survive a meat grinder to become principal. maybe he's right about the environment he's in. just believe in what you're doing enough that you don't see the down sides and when the shit hits the fan, smile and say 'thank you sir, may i have another.'
PS, having worked with about 25 different firms in my consultant days, I can tell you that KPF ranks next to dead-last. The three principals I worked with were as dumb as they come. SOM, on the other hand, was full of brilliant people. I never felt like I was babysitting those guys.
so, null, are you saying BRTN is in the right place?
haa...If you want grinders try Fosters or Zaha.
at least Fosters pays
who was dead last, null? vinoly?
Nope, kpf makes vinoly look like fucking rock stars.
Its the way it is folks - KPF, HOH, RVA -Whatever major league firm)- During and after the recession architecture firms and construction companies needed to go to a more aggressive schedules with fewer people - so in order to meet tighter deadlines with less people, it became necessary for the team members to rise to the occasion or get washed out - many firms have a high turnover rate because of this - its hard to maintain the new expected pace w/o burning out - its tough - many firms will try you out on a temp basis for 3 or 4 weeks to see if you "have it" most sadly do not and are told to "pack their tools" after they fail the trial period -