I'm just curious to see what people here think of it.
toosaturated
Mar 25, 15 2:15 pm
It's perfect
Non Sequitur
Mar 25, 15 2:18 pm
needs a cornice
x-jla
Mar 25, 15 3:09 pm
i think thom mayne should be thrown in a north korean prison camp for this.
flatroof
Mar 25, 15 3:19 pm
Needs two smaller towers on both sides to really emphasize the "Fuck You" towards nature.
BulgarBlogger
Mar 25, 15 4:38 pm
ok... this is the perfect example...
How many of you saying all this shit about it (including me) would walk away from this project hoping that you will somehow be able to convince your client over the course of the design process to abandon the concept of a skyscraper in this context?
It's kind of like asking- how many of you would commit suicide if you knew you would be captured by ISIS and there was a strong possibility that not doing so would result in your decapitation or burning alive...
Bottom line: you hope for the best... Thom Mayne would never turn a client away if it meant he could make a buck from it... any sensible architect who wants to make money wouldn't turn away a project like this... I think Thom Mayne just couldn't convince his client that doing anything but would be the better solution.
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Mar 25, 15 4:50 pm
You make an interesting point. Because of Thom Mayne’s acclaim, he probably could decline being involved in this project because he could be fairly certain another one would come along. Maybe he continued (continues?) to be involved because he knows there’s no way this will be approved, meaning that it isn’t necessary for him to leave the project and alienate a potential client.
I would like to think that I would decline the commission. If I knew my second statement would play out as I stated, that would be my course of action.
The Folk Art mess is another example of this situation.
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Mar 25, 15 4:50 pm
I.M. Pei
Miles Jaffe
Mar 25, 15 6:19 pm
I picture the starchitect club like one of those movies about Greek gods on Olympus sabotaging each other as they compete for Zeus' position as ruler of all.
JLC-1
Mar 25, 15 6:48 pm
I don't know anything about the business plan here, but just assuming the client couldn't get land to develop a horizontal layout, and they want to maximize the rent/sf; I believe the concept is debatable as is, and the developer intentionally went nuts with this proposal, so a smaller, scaled back version could be approved; then the smaller, scaled back version will be just 100 m high and not so dramatic, but also less interesting and more like anything else anywhere, which will set a really bad precedent for the valley.
Wasn't this proposed somewhere else once in a valley somewhere Alps? Or was I dreaming, literally. eVolo probably has 50 entries over the years that are this. I will only approve if there is a zip line from one mountain peak to top of skyscraper.
Peter Normand
Mar 25, 15 9:38 pm
how do you protect the base from avalanche?
this might be better than a sea sprawling plastic chalet or other mcmasion types
keeps the community at a walkable scale
justavisual
Mar 26, 15 3:37 am
panopticon much?
hotel = watchtower
town = inmate cells
SpatialSojourner
Apr 10, 15 8:10 am
I didn't realize that it was a competition... I stumbled across the entry by Jensen & Skodvin.
archanonymous
Apr 10, 15 7:22 pm
I like it.
chigurh
Apr 10, 15 9:55 pm
morphosis wins...that second firm is a junky hack job.
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Apr 10, 15 10:08 pm
Steven Holl also submitted an entry in the private competition. I wouldn't mind seeing it.
ArchNyen
Apr 10, 15 10:12 pm
that building is gonna kill lots of birds
chigurh
Apr 10, 15 11:45 pm
steven holls is gonna be even uglier than the one above. 100% guarantee.
x-jla
Apr 11, 15 3:07 am
just shows you the lack of influence the architect really has...developer decides to give a big "middle finger to nature" architect decides on color of nail polish
sameolddoctor
Apr 11, 15 5:06 pm
What Thom Mayne is trying to tell here is "Hang on while I give a fuck"
archanonymous
Apr 12, 15 5:54 pm
chigurh... probably ugly as hell on the exterior with heavenly interior spaces.
Sometimes a giant, mirrored phallus is the correct solution to a design problem. Never thought i would type such a thing, but there you go.
Okay.
Okay.
mmm, okay, but...
I'm just curious to see what people here think of it.
It's perfect
needs a cornice
i think thom mayne should be thrown in a north korean prison camp for this.
Needs two smaller towers on both sides to really emphasize the "Fuck You" towards nature.
ok... this is the perfect example...
How many of you saying all this shit about it (including me) would walk away from this project hoping that you will somehow be able to convince your client over the course of the design process to abandon the concept of a skyscraper in this context?
It's kind of like asking- how many of you would commit suicide if you knew you would be captured by ISIS and there was a strong possibility that not doing so would result in your decapitation or burning alive...
Bottom line: you hope for the best... Thom Mayne would never turn a client away if it meant he could make a buck from it... any sensible architect who wants to make money wouldn't turn away a project like this... I think Thom Mayne just couldn't convince his client that doing anything but would be the better solution.
You make an interesting point. Because of Thom Mayne’s acclaim, he probably could decline being involved in this project because he could be fairly certain another one would come along. Maybe he continued (continues?) to be involved because he knows there’s no way this will be approved, meaning that it isn’t necessary for him to leave the project and alienate a potential client.
I would like to think that I would decline the commission. If I knew my second statement would play out as I stated, that would be my course of action.
The Folk Art mess is another example of this situation.
I.M. Pei
I picture the starchitect club like one of those movies about Greek gods on Olympus sabotaging each other as they compete for Zeus' position as ruler of all.
I don't know anything about the business plan here, but just assuming the client couldn't get land to develop a horizontal layout, and they want to maximize the rent/sf; I believe the concept is debatable as is, and the developer intentionally went nuts with this proposal, so a smaller, scaled back version could be approved; then the smaller, scaled back version will be just 100 m high and not so dramatic, but also less interesting and more like anything else anywhere, which will set a really bad precedent for the valley.
The developers better not meet up with these guys or the whole valley will be filled up with skyscrapers.......https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=veNf-bz99cI
looks cool to me.
8 cranes on that Chinese highrise.
Wasn't this proposed somewhere else once in a valley somewhere Alps? Or was I dreaming, literally. eVolo probably has 50 entries over the years that are this. I will only approve if there is a zip line from one mountain peak to top of skyscraper.
how do you protect the base from avalanche?
this might be better than a sea sprawling plastic chalet or other mcmasion types
keeps the community at a walkable scale
panopticon much?
hotel = watchtower
town = inmate cells
I didn't realize that it was a competition... I stumbled across the entry by Jensen & Skodvin.
I like it.
morphosis wins...that second firm is a junky hack job.
Steven Holl also submitted an entry in the private competition. I wouldn't mind seeing it.
that building is gonna kill lots of birds
steven holls is gonna be even uglier than the one above. 100% guarantee.
just shows you the lack of influence the architect really has...developer decides to give a big "middle finger to nature" architect decides on color of nail polish
What Thom Mayne is trying to tell here is "Hang on while I give a fuck"
chigurh... probably ugly as hell on the exterior with heavenly interior spaces.
Sometimes a giant, mirrored phallus is the correct solution to a design problem. Never thought i would type such a thing, but there you go.