Usually used by a client to justify some flimsy, tacky, aplique
Curb Appeal -
Usually used to justify brick in the front, siding on the sides, since the only purpose of architecture is to satisfy the desires of someone driving by in their SUV, who happens to glance at the building in the precise second that their gaze is perfectly orthagonal to the front elevation.
It is what it is -
Used by my PM when I point out he's designed the project into a corner, and the building has no hope of redemption.
Any mention of Mastics, Sealants, and Adhesives -
Usually used by Product reps to explain the ease of installing their new system, with copious amounts of the aforementioned substances.
Any others . . .
spaghetti
Dec 14, 04 11:24 pm
i think after a few yrs, they become more advanced, and start using fake columns...
but no fake columns yet... only leaves and bubbles--gotta keep it simple
instrumentOFaction
Dec 14, 04 11:46 pm
"information architect"....shudder....
o+
Dec 15, 04 2:26 am
by contractor......" oh, so it's architectural concrete " (meaning it has no structural value-thus complete fluff-thus architects are morons.....)
700c
Dec 15, 04 8:34 am
*verbage*
as in, "we'll cover that with some verbage in the specs."
idiot.
art tech geek
Dec 15, 04 8:40 am
"oh, I like the 1st idea that you had" (after 6 revisions thru an art jury that has run you & the client thru hoops on fire for several too many meetings)
"that's impossible" (contractor comment because its not what they want to do or are too entrenched to learn new anything)
"oh, YOUR drawings ARE WRONG" (- actual contractor comment to a bridge engineer on a municipal project)
"that is what the contract says" (read it again)
"Elegant solution" (its a box) (engineers - we should all become engineers........)
"how bad do you want it?" (planning dept. staffer comment in West Hollywood)
A
Dec 15, 04 8:49 am
"I don't really care what you come up with.."
After I spend 45 minutes w/the PM watching him sketch his ideas.
dragthelake
Dec 15, 04 9:23 am
the i-wish-i-had-a-successfull-practice, thus pretending/wishing/hoping to be eloquent and profound (in front of the actual successful fellow jury members), who precedes ever statement as a critic with one of the following......
"One would think...."
"One could suggest/deduce..."
weave
Dec 15, 04 9:36 am
"contextual modernism" (lots of brick, but still a nice box)
"parlor suite" (this is what you call a hotel room that's bigger than the rest of the rooms, or 'kings'...hotel design is the embodiment of capitalism)
"porte cochere"...(this is a fancy way to say, 'covered drop-off')
not a phrase per se, but a cringer nonetheless:
"sconce"
and yes, "i'll shoot you an email" has to be at the top for all time cringers.
marion
Dec 15, 04 9:36 am
"signature building"
drgonzo
Dec 15, 04 9:50 am
skin, as in "we can skin it to look however they want"
kakacabeza
Dec 15, 04 9:51 am
a word that makes me cringe is value, in any context . . .
"We value you as a customer"
"We value your contribution to the firm" (but we're not going to pay you more)
"Family values"
"This product is a great value"
"Value engineering"
I don't value value.
Ms Beary
Dec 15, 04 9:52 am
"why don't you make the basement an alternate?" proj. arch.
i'm sorry, i may be a newbie, but even i know thats one hell of an alternate, heck that's another project
drgonzo
Dec 15, 04 10:06 am
just that word bugs me, 'alternate'.
why not just 'fess up and say, "I can't afford it."?
Steven Ward
Dec 15, 04 10:12 am
'be creative. we're interested in seeing your ideas.' translates to:
we like traditional things and we really don't want to do anything more than add space that looks just like the space we already have; we're simple, normal people and we like the same things everyone else likes; but if you can make it cheaper, more efficient, and maintenance free - we're interested in your ideas.
Ms Beary
Dec 15, 04 10:20 am
maintenance-free
Aaron Willette
Dec 15, 04 10:23 am
any phrase using "funky" as an architectural adjective.
for example:
"ooohhh... that building is funky"
"lets put some funky brackets under that overhang"
weave
Dec 15, 04 10:40 am
from an actual job interview where portfolio work was shown:
"so you drew these on the computer?"
translates to: "so you know autoCAD? sweet. we'll stick you in a cubicle, pay you whatever we want because you are desperate, and you'll operate CAD all day with no design input whatsoever...we'd draw it ourselves if we were computer literate, but since we're not, we'll sketch it, you'll draw it...congratulations on receiving your masters."
"what program did you use to render these?"
translates to: "i'm going to ask you some questions to get a feel for what this place is missing and so i can communicate better w/ my peers and sound knowledgable about new technologies. it won't really matter, because we're not even going to buy 3d software and i'm going to sketch all presentation drawings. hey, i didn't spend 25 years as an architect so that you can come in here w/ your fancy computer and undercut my ability to color...besides, our backwoods clients would never go for something that crisp and clean."
ugh...i still cringe when i think of that day...
plexus 1
Dec 15, 04 10:50 am
smallwood, stewart & reynolds
cooper carry
or perhaps tvs
which is it weave?
Devil Dog
Dec 15, 04 10:56 am
suv or sport utility vehicle
notion
Ddot
Dec 15, 04 10:57 am
Adding 'or what have you.' to the end of a sentence drives me nuts. At my last staff meeting, a designer used that phrase at least 12 times in one continuous stream of consciousness.
'at the end of the day' was running well out in first place on my list until that fateful day.
gustav
Dec 15, 04 11:29 am
Oh yea, I like that one-
"Can't do that, the code says...." (from the idiot who has no brain)
I call asking for Mr. So and So, the secretary says, "He is out of pocket". I say, "Well then, he is an easy target for a big sack".
Someone calls with the intention of talking to the boss and asks, "Is HE in"? I say, "No, God is out buying bras for his wife, shall I say a prayer for you"?
"That is a Choice Choice".
And one of my all time favorites-
Starting every single sentence with A C T U A L L Y !!!!!!!!
STOP IT, NOW!
weave
Dec 15, 04 11:31 am
plexus1,
i'm afraid it's none of the above.
check your email.
gustav
Dec 15, 04 11:33 am
Hey weave, spot on!
weave
Dec 15, 04 11:40 am
gustav,
while i really don't know what the phrase "spot on" means, it doesn't make me cringe. if it's about dropping names on this forum, i won't do it. as you probably know, the professional world can be very incestuous.
gustav
Dec 15, 04 11:44 am
weave
"from an actual job interview where portfolio work was shown:"
That was "On the Money"!
pia555
Dec 15, 04 11:56 am
"lets not throw the baby out with the bath water"
My ex boss used all the time jerk
pia555
Dec 15, 04 12:01 pm
Oh yeah, he would use "we" alot when he was referring to me.
"did we forget to call them back?"
" did we deliver that set of plans yet?"
pia555
Dec 15, 04 12:03 pm
We're pregnant
chico
Dec 15, 04 12:25 pm
"i don't want you to spend too much time on this..."
gustav
Dec 15, 04 12:26 pm
How about those Norm Crosbyisms (malaprop):
"Intonation is the sincerest form of battery."
"Apparently there has been some sort of excommunication here on the InterNest."
"If I reprehend any thing in this world, it is the use of my oracular tongue, and a nice derangement of epitaphs!"
"Many people are morally opposed to intravenous fertilization."
"Comparisons are odorous."
"I resemble that remark."
Colm
Dec 15, 04 12:28 pm
Most annoying: "What it is is..."
Personal fav: (while smiling) "Don't walk away angry. Just walk away."
abracadabra
Dec 15, 04 12:41 pm
it use to be,
'are you muslim or somthin'?'
now, nobody fucks with us.
gustav
Dec 15, 04 1:31 pm
"WE need to hump this one" the boss says as he is walking out the door at 4:30 Friday afternoon.
"I will CREATE a space especially for you".
Sean Taylor
Dec 15, 04 1:34 pm
"now we're cookin' with gas!"
gustav
Dec 15, 04 1:35 pm
We need to sump this one.
I will cremate a space especially for you.
gustav
Dec 15, 04 1:36 pm
Now we're firing on all 8.
Anonymous
Dec 15, 04 1:46 pm
"You need to manage your time better"
This from the jerk that just changed his mind, again, not 15 minutes ago for a presentation package that gets sent out ASAP. And it's 4:30 on a Friday afternoon as he departs for a pleasant weekend. What's worse is the...
"Have a great weekend!!" as he waltzes out the door. And he actually means it.
Guess who's "taking one for the team" on Saturday.
This one is always a precursor to long hours. When your head designer comes ALL the way over to your desk and whispers
"Your going to hate me for this....BUT..."
A
Dec 15, 04 1:58 pm
After proposing a different way to build...
I think it's best to go with the "proven system."
momentum
Dec 15, 04 2:07 pm
boss constantly says: "the prospect is" followed by a sentence/explanation of what he is trying to achieve.
also, in relation to something i've designed: "you'll learn."
gustav
Dec 15, 04 2:08 pm
There is nothing new under the sun, stick with the tried and true.
gustav
Dec 15, 04 2:12 pm
Also in relation to something I designed, "You got lucky".
In relation to something the boss designed, "Learn from the Master".
My response is, "Oh you're just baiting me".
momentum
Dec 15, 04 2:12 pm
first middle and last name strung together by my mom. this used to be an almost silent violent cringe. i wanted to shudder violently, but i was frozen. not a problem now.
if my wife does this though, i laugh. the effect wore off a long time ago.
momentum
Dec 15, 04 2:14 pm
gustav,
speaking of learning from the master, my last boss would say that as well, but it would almost make me break into laughter each time, because i knew he was such a bad ripoff of say FLW, and his previous boss.
TranseptR
Dec 15, 04 2:15 pm
what's with the interior design bashing? i'm an interior designer at an architecture firm and i've never considered using fake columns or foliage in my life (nor have my coworkers), and would quit immediately if my firm would allow that. and i agree- the person who said 'flair' was definitely trained on television.
momentum
Dec 15, 04 2:16 pm
its not so much interior design bashing, as it is bad interior design bashing.
sure2016
Dec 15, 04 2:30 pm
mgdesigner-
I meant no disrespect by the 'fake column' comment. Its just something our ID on this project has done, and the phrase makes me cring. I don't hate the ID for this, I blame the PA or PM for not taking that shit out. They don't even question it. Healthcare.
j lotus
Dec 15, 04 2:35 pm
classic from 3yr undergrad (this person never went into masters)
'this ramp is for the wheelchair people'
from the profession (usually from id's or my former bosses)
'architectural feature' and 'sex it up a bit'
Artful Dodger
Dec 15, 04 2:36 pm
"couldn't be happier with it, not sure what its doing though....it could be a chicken."
j lotus
Dec 15, 04 2:38 pm
'your project is too glossy, it needs more grit' - now thats quality critique
Doug Johnston
Dec 15, 04 2:42 pm
sometimes i get "you're the fancy designer" in a smart-ass tone from co workers when there is a design problem they have no idea how to solve. Usually it seems like they mean it in a condescending way.
fancy? like mcdonald's ketchup?
Bang for your Buck -
Usually used by a client to justify some flimsy, tacky, aplique
Curb Appeal -
Usually used to justify brick in the front, siding on the sides, since the only purpose of architecture is to satisfy the desires of someone driving by in their SUV, who happens to glance at the building in the precise second that their gaze is perfectly orthagonal to the front elevation.
It is what it is -
Used by my PM when I point out he's designed the project into a corner, and the building has no hope of redemption.
Any mention of Mastics, Sealants, and Adhesives -
Usually used by Product reps to explain the ease of installing their new system, with copious amounts of the aforementioned substances.
Any others . . .
i think after a few yrs, they become more advanced, and start using fake columns...
but no fake columns yet... only leaves and bubbles--gotta keep it simple
"information architect"....shudder....
by contractor......" oh, so it's architectural concrete " (meaning it has no structural value-thus complete fluff-thus architects are morons.....)
*verbage*
as in, "we'll cover that with some verbage in the specs."
idiot.
"oh, I like the 1st idea that you had" (after 6 revisions thru an art jury that has run you & the client thru hoops on fire for several too many meetings)
"that's impossible" (contractor comment because its not what they want to do or are too entrenched to learn new anything)
"oh, YOUR drawings ARE WRONG" (- actual contractor comment to a bridge engineer on a municipal project)
"that is what the contract says" (read it again)
"Elegant solution" (its a box) (engineers - we should all become engineers........)
"how bad do you want it?" (planning dept. staffer comment in West Hollywood)
"I don't really care what you come up with.."
After I spend 45 minutes w/the PM watching him sketch his ideas.
the i-wish-i-had-a-successfull-practice, thus pretending/wishing/hoping to be eloquent and profound (in front of the actual successful fellow jury members), who precedes ever statement as a critic with one of the following......
"One would think...."
"One could suggest/deduce..."
"contextual modernism" (lots of brick, but still a nice box)
"parlor suite" (this is what you call a hotel room that's bigger than the rest of the rooms, or 'kings'...hotel design is the embodiment of capitalism)
"porte cochere"...(this is a fancy way to say, 'covered drop-off')
not a phrase per se, but a cringer nonetheless:
"sconce"
and yes, "i'll shoot you an email" has to be at the top for all time cringers.
"signature building"
skin, as in "we can skin it to look however they want"
a word that makes me cringe is value, in any context . . .
"We value you as a customer"
"We value your contribution to the firm" (but we're not going to pay you more)
"Family values"
"This product is a great value"
"Value engineering"
I don't value value.
"why don't you make the basement an alternate?" proj. arch.
i'm sorry, i may be a newbie, but even i know thats one hell of an alternate, heck that's another project
just that word bugs me, 'alternate'.
why not just 'fess up and say, "I can't afford it."?
'be creative. we're interested in seeing your ideas.' translates to:
we like traditional things and we really don't want to do anything more than add space that looks just like the space we already have; we're simple, normal people and we like the same things everyone else likes; but if you can make it cheaper, more efficient, and maintenance free - we're interested in your ideas.
maintenance-free
any phrase using "funky" as an architectural adjective.
for example:
"ooohhh... that building is funky"
"lets put some funky brackets under that overhang"
from an actual job interview where portfolio work was shown:
"so you drew these on the computer?"
translates to: "so you know autoCAD? sweet. we'll stick you in a cubicle, pay you whatever we want because you are desperate, and you'll operate CAD all day with no design input whatsoever...we'd draw it ourselves if we were computer literate, but since we're not, we'll sketch it, you'll draw it...congratulations on receiving your masters."
"what program did you use to render these?"
translates to: "i'm going to ask you some questions to get a feel for what this place is missing and so i can communicate better w/ my peers and sound knowledgable about new technologies. it won't really matter, because we're not even going to buy 3d software and i'm going to sketch all presentation drawings. hey, i didn't spend 25 years as an architect so that you can come in here w/ your fancy computer and undercut my ability to color...besides, our backwoods clients would never go for something that crisp and clean."
ugh...i still cringe when i think of that day...
smallwood, stewart & reynolds
cooper carry
or perhaps tvs
which is it weave?
suv or sport utility vehicle
notion
Adding 'or what have you.' to the end of a sentence drives me nuts. At my last staff meeting, a designer used that phrase at least 12 times in one continuous stream of consciousness.
'at the end of the day' was running well out in first place on my list until that fateful day.
Oh yea, I like that one-
"Can't do that, the code says...." (from the idiot who has no brain)
I call asking for Mr. So and So, the secretary says, "He is out of pocket". I say, "Well then, he is an easy target for a big sack".
Someone calls with the intention of talking to the boss and asks, "Is HE in"? I say, "No, God is out buying bras for his wife, shall I say a prayer for you"?
"That is a Choice Choice".
And one of my all time favorites-
Starting every single sentence with A C T U A L L Y !!!!!!!!
STOP IT, NOW!
plexus1,
i'm afraid it's none of the above.
check your email.
Hey weave, spot on!
gustav,
while i really don't know what the phrase "spot on" means, it doesn't make me cringe. if it's about dropping names on this forum, i won't do it. as you probably know, the professional world can be very incestuous.
weave
"from an actual job interview where portfolio work was shown:"
That was "On the Money"!
"lets not throw the baby out with the bath water"
My ex boss used all the time jerk
Oh yeah, he would use "we" alot when he was referring to me.
"did we forget to call them back?"
" did we deliver that set of plans yet?"
We're pregnant
"i don't want you to spend too much time on this..."
How about those Norm Crosbyisms (malaprop):
"Intonation is the sincerest form of battery."
"Apparently there has been some sort of excommunication here on the InterNest."
"If I reprehend any thing in this world, it is the use of my oracular tongue, and a nice derangement of epitaphs!"
"Many people are morally opposed to intravenous fertilization."
"Comparisons are odorous."
"I resemble that remark."
Most annoying: "What it is is..."
Personal fav: (while smiling) "Don't walk away angry. Just walk away."
it use to be,
'are you muslim or somthin'?'
now, nobody fucks with us.
"WE need to hump this one" the boss says as he is walking out the door at 4:30 Friday afternoon.
"I will CREATE a space especially for you".
"now we're cookin' with gas!"
We need to sump this one.
I will cremate a space especially for you.
Now we're firing on all 8.
"You need to manage your time better"
This from the jerk that just changed his mind, again, not 15 minutes ago for a presentation package that gets sent out ASAP. And it's 4:30 on a Friday afternoon as he departs for a pleasant weekend. What's worse is the...
"Have a great weekend!!" as he waltzes out the door. And he actually means it.
Guess who's "taking one for the team" on Saturday.
This one is always a precursor to long hours. When your head designer comes ALL the way over to your desk and whispers
"Your going to hate me for this....BUT..."
After proposing a different way to build...
I think it's best to go with the "proven system."
boss constantly says: "the prospect is" followed by a sentence/explanation of what he is trying to achieve.
also, in relation to something i've designed: "you'll learn."
There is nothing new under the sun, stick with the tried and true.
Also in relation to something I designed, "You got lucky".
In relation to something the boss designed, "Learn from the Master".
My response is, "Oh you're just baiting me".
first middle and last name strung together by my mom. this used to be an almost silent violent cringe. i wanted to shudder violently, but i was frozen. not a problem now.
if my wife does this though, i laugh. the effect wore off a long time ago.
gustav,
speaking of learning from the master, my last boss would say that as well, but it would almost make me break into laughter each time, because i knew he was such a bad ripoff of say FLW, and his previous boss.
what's with the interior design bashing? i'm an interior designer at an architecture firm and i've never considered using fake columns or foliage in my life (nor have my coworkers), and would quit immediately if my firm would allow that. and i agree- the person who said 'flair' was definitely trained on television.
its not so much interior design bashing, as it is bad interior design bashing.
mgdesigner-
I meant no disrespect by the 'fake column' comment. Its just something our ID on this project has done, and the phrase makes me cring. I don't hate the ID for this, I blame the PA or PM for not taking that shit out. They don't even question it. Healthcare.
classic from 3yr undergrad (this person never went into masters)
'this ramp is for the wheelchair people'
from the profession (usually from id's or my former bosses)
'architectural feature' and 'sex it up a bit'
"couldn't be happier with it, not sure what its doing though....it could be a chicken."
'your project is too glossy, it needs more grit' - now thats quality critique
sometimes i get "you're the fancy designer" in a smart-ass tone from co workers when there is a design problem they have no idea how to solve. Usually it seems like they mean it in a condescending way.
fancy? like mcdonald's ketchup?