You hear too many people saying "...I guess..." in their presentations. Not good.
As for costs, feasibility, etc, I think ignoring those is one way to really push the bundaries of architectural design; by suspending some restrictions and imposing others, architects can think more creatively. It's the same with creative writing. You don't shoot down ideas in the brainstorming phase just because they're unfeasible.
"kind of" or "sort of"
I hear far too many supposedly intelligent people use these
phrases like crutches, causing their every statement to be wrapped in ambiguity.
that it is an awesome career and that you can make a good living at it and that you are respected and you will never have to draw toilet details and that you have to only work a couple hours a day to get the job done and that you will get to design and be creative and that your shit smells better than everyone else's
i went to a school where i heard this too much. i feel like i never got to just explore breaking boundaries and then figure out how to work them out. instead if was always make it work for real and not as much creativity :/
i think it's OK if school doesn't produce feasable cheap projects. definitely.
I never much minded drawing toilet details...people need to shit somewhere and that shit has to get moved.
What did hear way too much of in architecture school? That computer-aided design wasn't worth a damn thing. More than anything, architects bashing other architects. So much vitriol.
What didn't I hear? "You think the hours are bad NOW? Just you wait...but at least you'll get paid."
I always like to hear from the critics on how they tell the reviewer: “why are the bathrooms detailed down to handles when the entire drawing set is still underdeveloped? You guys who work at firms should stop copying bathroom and parking details and focus more on sectional details and floor plans…”
"OK, so it's like, ...I mean it's like, you know, where you have this thing and like, it's like a way to do something and it's, it's... You know? So anyway, it's like when you want to have a place that is kind of like a nice calm place, but like not too calm... You know what I mean?"
Kind of and like are appropriate words. Although one should refrain from using passive and ambiguous grammar in sentences, it should be acceptable in an academic setting.
Unless someone has a reference or a data set, one should never use absolute language!
Last I checked, there was not a whole lot of data pouring out of architectural classes other than load and sheer calculations.
is it me or is "like" used more often in the west coast and "you know what i mean" used in the east. think about your friends during reviews and see which one they used more.
things you hear way too much in architecture school
"[several words here]..uhh...[several words here]... ummmm..."
"i really think this is.........."
"...you should really look at koolhaas's __________"
what about things you don't hear enough of...
feasibility? financing? construction costs?
good point!
You hear too many people saying "...I guess..." in their presentations. Not good.
As for costs, feasibility, etc, I think ignoring those is one way to really push the bundaries of architectural design; by suspending some restrictions and imposing others, architects can think more creatively. It's the same with creative writing. You don't shoot down ideas in the brainstorming phase just because they're unfeasible.
But you're right, those things are important too.
"kind of" or "sort of"
I hear far too many supposedly intelligent people use these
phrases like crutches, causing their every statement to be wrapped in ambiguity.
But isn't ambiguity a good thing sometimes? Complexity and contradiction in architecture? It has to be intentional.
sometimes.....it's a good thing. Not always though.
Especially at times when you're supposed to be making
a point.
my prof used to say something along the lines of:
there is a difference between being "precisely open" and "vaguely loose"
that it is an awesome career and that you can make a good living at it and that you are respected and you will never have to draw toilet details and that you have to only work a couple hours a day to get the job done and that you will get to design and be creative and that your shit smells better than everyone else's
what about things you don't hear enough of...
feasibility? financing? construction costs?
i went to a school where i heard this too much. i feel like i never got to just explore breaking boundaries and then figure out how to work them out. instead if was always make it work for real and not as much creativity :/
i think it's OK if school doesn't produce feasable cheap projects. definitely.
yeah screw practicality in school, you gotta expand creative thought first you can worry about money and shit when you get to the real world
such a split between academia and the drudgery of the real world
Aquilla
did someone actually tell you that you would never have to draw toilet details?
that is a cruel, yet funny joke if so
Aquilla- sorry about the toilot details man it happens to the best of us.
IT WAS THE BEST OF TIMES IT WAS THE WORST OF TIMES
I never much minded drawing toilet details...people need to shit somewhere and that shit has to get moved.
What did hear way too much of in architecture school? That computer-aided design wasn't worth a damn thing. More than anything, architects bashing other architects. So much vitriol.
What didn't I hear? "You think the hours are bad NOW? Just you wait...but at least you'll get paid."
I always like to hear from the critics on how they tell the reviewer: “why are the bathrooms detailed down to handles when the entire drawing set is still underdeveloped? You guys who work at firms should stop copying bathroom and parking details and focus more on sectional details and floor plans…”
heard at a review:
"OK, so it's like, ...I mean it's like, you know, where you have this thing and like, it's like a way to do something and it's, it's... You know? So anyway, it's like when you want to have a place that is kind of like a nice calm place, but like not too calm... You know what I mean?"
"i'll just b-s it"
...such a split between academia and the drudgery of the real world...
I feel like architectural school teach students "sculpture with plumbing". Outside school, things are very different...
dlb you stole the words from my mouth! It is annoying as hell hearing that "l" word a couple of times in every sentence!
Also add "kinda", "I guess", "I tried to", "maybe" and you ruined the whole presentation!
Oh lord, the overuse of "kinda" and "like"...maybe there should be a verbal skills class added to the architectural curriculum.
Also, after a guest lecturer used the phrase "I played with x", everyone used it for the next five years. Can we ban this?
Kind of and like are appropriate words. Although one should refrain from using passive and ambiguous grammar in sentences, it should be acceptable in an academic setting.
Unless someone has a reference or a data set, one should never use absolute language!
Last I checked, there was not a whole lot of data pouring out of architectural classes other than load and sheer calculations.
is it me or is "like" used more often in the west coast and "you know what i mean" used in the east. think about your friends during reviews and see which one they used more.
I actually had a compulsory first year paper entitled "Communications" which everyone at the uni had to do regardless of what course they were taking.
It was pretty much like my english classes when I was 14. Surprising how many people can't write a report or give a basic presentation.
I was a bit put-out that I had to actually pay for the rubbish paper, but it was probably quite good for some others in my year.
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