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Age to teach in Academia

empea

I have decided to go for a career in teaching. Right now I'm pondering applying for one particular position, an associate professorship (non-US). I have an MArch and a postgrad MA degree, both European, 1-odd year of teaching experience on postgraduate level plus a number of individual/co-ed lectures and workshops in different European arch schools. Track record of conferences/publications close to non-existing (a couple things coming out this year but nothing to actually refer to in this moment).

The simple question is - am I too young and/or inexperienced to consider this position? I've noticed that the announcement specifically avoids any requirements on holding a PhD, previous academic positions, age etc but only talks about what is expected from the successful applicant, all of which I believe I am capable of. Still, my impression was that the associate professor-rank is of a certain level up the ladder..The job would effectively entail "guiding" some junior staff that are older than me (I'm 30).

The application procedure involves getting letters of recommendation from people who would definitely provide them, but through this request they will become aware of my plans and for various reasons not necessarily happily surprised by them. Also I would like to not make a ridiculous impression with the people assessing the application so as to not burn any future bridges. In other words, there's a bit more at stake than just the time invested in getting an application together.

Any thoughts are very welcome, thanks.

 
Apr 18, 09 8:03 pm

you can include future publications and conferences by pasting a "forthcoming" label at the end of each mention.

you can write to the people in charge of finding teachers and ask them for their input i guess. as for the rest, if you are actually qualified i don't see that it would matter how old you are. academia tends to be painfully political and that might make the age thing an issue, but frankly if it wasn't that it would be something else, so don't sweat it.

Apr 18, 09 9:03 pm  · 
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citizen

In the US, the rank of Associate Professor is the middle one in the tenure track ladder:

Assistant Professor (entry level and probationary)
Associate Professor (first tenured rank)
Full Professor
Emeritus (retired)

Adjunct positions are non-tenure track, but can still have the Assistant, Associate, and Full rank.

Normally in US architecture schools, if the open position is professional (teaching studio), there's no requirement for a PhD --a typical requirement to for teaching academic subjects (history, theory, technology). The requirements for studio teaching often include a master's degree and some demonstration of distinguished practice or teaching.

I have no idea how this structure translates to European schools.

Apr 18, 09 9:12 pm  · 
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citizen

On the experience question, your resume sounds sufficient to apply. There's absolutely no shame in applying, even if you don't have all the credentials the school deems necessary. I second Jump's suggestion to correspond with the chair of the search committee to gain additional information that could help you to decide.

As to the ramifications of letting people from whom you need letters that you're on a job search... well, that's an age-old problem I have no brilliant solution for. You just have to decide how great is the potential risk versus reward.

Apr 18, 09 9:18 pm  · 
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TED

maybe i am a bit of a realist as i have now had two proper positions tenured at unis and taught with adjunct assoc positions at 4 others-

unless you have

1]an extensive reputation in your field of interest in practice [lots of built work, lots of sucessful comp entries, a junior staritect -

or

2]a significant expertise in an area that they are seeking such as digital, history theory. polictial

3]an existing position in a uni at or slightly below - full time assistant or lecturer senior lecturer euor

you will not be considered for the position - an associate has to have proven themselfs in some way -

however - go and apply anyway -

you can get considered for other positions [assist or fellowship] if your work interest them

if you need a visa - you might be out of luck - while it might be possible with a full time position i think again you have to be something special to them beyond just another studio prof - you might look into fulbright teaching fellowships

its best to show expertise in an area -- that doesnt mean you cant teach studio and you will but studio profs are a dime a dozen

Apr 19, 09 2:59 pm  · 
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sponge

TED, in terms of showing expertise in an area...I have the opportunity to pursue either an MBA or a 2nd BA in ANimation for free from a pretty unknown school. I am wondering if either of these would be a boost in academia or if they would be irrelevant because they are not PHds or aren't professional work or research?

I have a BA and an MArch from well regarded schools already. I can see myself teaching digital subjects far more than professional practice type classes. If I went for an MBA it would be beacause I'd like to start a firm in the distant future and thought some of that knowledge would be helpful. I thought I would just audit the animation classes, but seeing your post, started to wonder whether the actual degree might be more advantageous than just an expanded skill set. I am trying to balance my decision based on what would be the biggest boost working for someone else, starting my own practice, and teaching. I teach part time in the BA program of a small college.

Empea, I don't think you are too young to teach in general, but like others have said perhaps not experienced enough for the associate level position. I wouldn't worry about burning bridges or being laughed at though. Like TED said, they may have other positions open up and contact you.



Apr 20, 09 8:58 pm  · 
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aspect

in my city, i see all the horrible designers went to teach (whom i also know them personally)...

i think its time for the university to focus on applicants portfolio and previous writings... rather than past experiences in academic activities, conferences...

Apr 20, 09 10:02 pm  · 
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funny, how often teachers are burned for lack of practical background on this site, but in fact it is a huge skillset that needs to be picked up on the job. by job i mean by teaching, not working in an office. which kinda explains why there are so few practitioners who can teach well, and why so many excellent teachers are horrible practitioners.

TED'S point sounds about right. to get tenure track position you will need to have proven yourself. working in an office is not proof of much in academia, unfortunately. still give it a go. you never know til you try.

sponge, if you want to pursue further education in order to teach, i would recommend phd, but only if you want to become professor. otherwise learn whatever interests you for your own pleasure.

Apr 20, 09 11:43 pm  · 
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binary

in order to teach, the teacher has to be able to 'mentor' a student. i have seen a lot of egos and 'do it this way' tactics.

you can work in an office for years doing shit design and redlines... that doesn't mean you should/could teach.

the ones that go out an try to make things happen regardless are the ones with drive and should teach.

but the way the system works is that you need a masters. but the funny thing is that there's professor teaching higher end studios in architecture that don't have a b.a. or m.a in arch.

not really sure how it all works.......

Apr 21, 09 12:28 am  · 
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empea

Thanks all for your valuable input.

I agree with the opinion that long practical experience does not say anything on abilities to teach. However in the cases where academics do manage to tie together their teaching with skills and lessons learned through practice the outcome tends to be extremely valuable to students and interesting in general.

I do have a master's (European MA, not US MArch I/II) which usually is the minimum requirement to teach here. I also have a particular expertise which is relevant for this position and which I have been lucky enough to be able to pursue both in studies, teaching and the last 2 years in practice. Following your advice I have contacted some of the admin people behind the position who hinted that I might be too inexperienced - or most of all have an insufficient research portfolio - for this particular job, but told me to contact the chair of dept anyway as I might be considered for other things. This is what I'm doing right now, happy to share the results here should there be any.

Thanks again, it's been helpful.

Apr 21, 09 6:05 am  · 
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