From reading many posts, IDP is a can of worms. I count my blessings I BARELY missed having to do, at least to get an initial license.
That said, of these 2 choices, which would you rather see:
1) Any type of access to the profession + IDP, or
2) Minimum of a 4 year degree + flat/finite time internship under a licensed architect?
Not surprisingly, I'm all for 4 year degree with 5 flat years, or the various NAAB degrees with 3 flat years, and admission to the ARE partway through the internship.
Is anybody pissed off enough to have IDP dethroned? For those of you complaining about bureaucracy, IDP is more bureaucratic, not to mention impractical, than someone's university training could ever be.
Yes. scrap it. It is an awkward mix of state and private business.
5 years exp. or an M-arch + the exams + a fully designed mock project signed by 3 registered architects....with CD's and all the other stuff...
After that you are given a probationary license for a year or two where you are only allowed to design small projects. If you stay out of trouble you get a full license.
This would be enough. We do not need to mandate experiance in contracts or business admin....because these things are not privliges of the license and pose no danger to the public. We are not neuro surgeons. Clients are not desperate or stupid. The market itself would delay an architect from doing big public work for several years anyway.
No one is going to get to design a tower or an airport right away. Those clients are probably savy enough to do their homework before handing over an 100 million dollar project to a newely minted architect. This nanny state crap is really getting to be annoying. Lawyers and doctors deal with desperate and sometimes uneducated people who do not know any better, architects deal with rich business savy people. It is much different. Also, nothing gets built with out checks and balances from engineers, code dept., contractors.......There is no direct danger to the public. Unlicensed people can design houses.....It is rare that you hear of any deaths related to bad design. If this does happen it is usually due to blatant criminal neg. which will always happen regardless of IDP.
This will never happen because the bastards are getting money for nothing, and firms are getting cheap desperate servants, but this is what I think it should be like! This would allow young people to jump into business at an earlier age and really learn. It would help to create a culture of entrapenuership in the profession. I worked so many different jobs in my life yet never learned a thing about business until I tried it on my own.
What will it take to scrap it? The bureaucrats at NCARB love to come up with fancy graphics for publications like "NCARB by the Numbers," of which the content is enough to make anybody gag. God, what else would they have to do? If IDP went away, think of how much LESS work there would have to be done in both Washington DC and at the state boards, sending NCARB certificates back and forth.
observant, the main point is to put ones future in ones own hands. not the hand of circumstance, not the hand of the economy, not the hand of other firms. Barriers to entry are fine if the ability to overcome them is 100% in the hands of the individual. If we must rely on future competition to get us through it...well thats an obvious problem. I can't believe that most people do not recognise that conflict of interest.
form a class action lawsuit with ncarb. It is actually a violation of labor law to create unnecessary and unreasonable barriers to entry into a profession. fair due process is a labor right.
Obviously, a cluster of practitioners or lobbyists masterminded the move away from a timed internship period to the highly variable IDP process. It has been "window dressed" as the broad and proper training of an architect in the making.
Again, I bring up medicine. Specialists do residencies on top of their general internships. If we're talking dermatologists, I trust that a 24/7 existence in a major hospital or clinic for 1 to 2 years means they've seen all the different types of fungi out there, or have the wherewithal to identify them, without belaboring the point.
The mere fact that there is so much variability in the time commitment for IDP, and the possible need for candidates to job hop seems like an unreasonable barrier to me.
I don't want to see it scaped but i would love to see an alternative to geting the hours themselves. I'm not in the IDP but i am working my ass off to get towards that point and i pay attention to the requirements of being an architect. Ten years to get thru a idp is just wrong and probaly do to not being able to get a job in the first place they are starting a electronic way to get hours but they need to revise the idp.
I had an interview recently with BPF Design in Daytona Beach Fl and i was turned down because of my determination towards valencia/ucf/uf and the idp. The boss brian told me thru an email he he did;nt want to get involved with the Idp/me/intern/me going thru school/ thing and after that i have just given up on working thru school. I'm really considering what it's going to be like if idp does'nt change by the time i get to that point
I do have an A.S degree in Architectural and Building Technology....please hold your applause.
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Which education + internship route would you prefer?
From reading many posts, IDP is a can of worms. I count my blessings I BARELY missed having to do, at least to get an initial license.
That said, of these 2 choices, which would you rather see:
1) Any type of access to the profession + IDP, or
2) Minimum of a 4 year degree + flat/finite time internship under a licensed architect?
Not surprisingly, I'm all for 4 year degree with 5 flat years, or the various NAAB degrees with 3 flat years, and admission to the ARE partway through the internship.
Is anybody pissed off enough to have IDP dethroned? For those of you complaining about bureaucracy, IDP is more bureaucratic, not to mention impractical, than someone's university training could ever be.
Your answer? Would you like to see IDP scrapped?
Yes. scrap it. It is an awkward mix of state and private business.
5 years exp. or an M-arch + the exams + a fully designed mock project signed by 3 registered architects....with CD's and all the other stuff...
After that you are given a probationary license for a year or two where you are only allowed to design small projects. If you stay out of trouble you get a full license.
This would be enough. We do not need to mandate experiance in contracts or business admin....because these things are not privliges of the license and pose no danger to the public. We are not neuro surgeons. Clients are not desperate or stupid. The market itself would delay an architect from doing big public work for several years anyway.
No one is going to get to design a tower or an airport right away. Those clients are probably savy enough to do their homework before handing over an 100 million dollar project to a newely minted architect. This nanny state crap is really getting to be annoying. Lawyers and doctors deal with desperate and sometimes uneducated people who do not know any better, architects deal with rich business savy people. It is much different. Also, nothing gets built with out checks and balances from engineers, code dept., contractors.......There is no direct danger to the public. Unlicensed people can design houses.....It is rare that you hear of any deaths related to bad design. If this does happen it is usually due to blatant criminal neg. which will always happen regardless of IDP.
This will never happen because the bastards are getting money for nothing, and firms are getting cheap desperate servants, but this is what I think it should be like! This would allow young people to jump into business at an earlier age and really learn. It would help to create a culture of entrapenuership in the profession. I worked so many different jobs in my life yet never learned a thing about business until I tried it on my own.
What will it take to scrap it? The bureaucrats at NCARB love to come up with fancy graphics for publications like "NCARB by the Numbers," of which the content is enough to make anybody gag. God, what else would they have to do? If IDP went away, think of how much LESS work there would have to be done in both Washington DC and at the state boards, sending NCARB certificates back and forth.
observant, the main point is to put ones future in ones own hands. not the hand of circumstance, not the hand of the economy, not the hand of other firms. Barriers to entry are fine if the ability to overcome them is 100% in the hands of the individual. If we must rely on future competition to get us through it...well thats an obvious problem. I can't believe that most people do not recognise that conflict of interest.
form a class action lawsuit with ncarb. It is actually a violation of labor law to create unnecessary and unreasonable barriers to entry into a profession. fair due process is a labor right.
nothing but professional protectionism.
jla-x:
Obviously, a cluster of practitioners or lobbyists masterminded the move away from a timed internship period to the highly variable IDP process. It has been "window dressed" as the broad and proper training of an architect in the making.
Again, I bring up medicine. Specialists do residencies on top of their general internships. If we're talking dermatologists, I trust that a 24/7 existence in a major hospital or clinic for 1 to 2 years means they've seen all the different types of fungi out there, or have the wherewithal to identify them, without belaboring the point.
The mere fact that there is so much variability in the time commitment for IDP, and the possible need for candidates to job hop seems like an unreasonable barrier to me.
I don't want to see it scaped but i would love to see an alternative to geting the hours themselves. I'm not in the IDP but i am working my ass off to get towards that point and i pay attention to the requirements of being an architect. Ten years to get thru a idp is just wrong and probaly do to not being able to get a job in the first place they are starting a electronic way to get hours but they need to revise the idp.
I had an interview recently with BPF Design in Daytona Beach Fl and i was turned down because of my determination towards valencia/ucf/uf and the idp. The boss brian told me thru an email he he did;nt want to get involved with the Idp/me/intern/me going thru school/ thing and after that i have just given up on working thru school. I'm really considering what it's going to be like if idp does'nt change by the time i get to that point
I do have an A.S degree in Architectural and Building Technology....please hold your applause.
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