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That's cool, will, coming from you.  We're almost 180s, and I could tell that from the picture, your position on things, and your posting style ... from day one.  I'm sure all community forums are like small towns.  So are school studios with 20 people, for that matter.  You'll have people who are two peas in a pod, and people who would never break bread together.  I'm sure neither you or I will lose any sleep over that.

Jun 1, 13 2:50 am

Here are the threads that I find irritating and wholly unworthy of commenting on, in no particular order;

any thread looking for help on which grad school to attend - grad school, if you haven't figured out where you want to go, by the time you've applied, or have been accepted, you're an idiot

threads like, can you tell me where to find X - at this point, the Internet is a treasure trove of info, and yes, archinect is part of the Internet, but if you fail to at least demonstrate you've done the basics, and someone just googles your search, and finds what you are looking for, then again, you're an idiot

computers for grad school - figure it out, you're a big boy now

Jun 1, 13 9:27 am

i don't really care where these kids go to school observant.  i understand you have a strong opinion on the difference between uiuc and k-state or whatever, but i honestly don't think it matters.  it is my opinion that any of these kids can get whatever computer they want and go wherever they want and in a broader, say 40 year, view, it doesn't matter at all.

Jun 1, 13 9:28 am

Yup. Grad school is supposed to be for advanced studies, building on a pursuit of knowledge. These kids that are going to grad school to "figure it out" or "wait it out" are limiting their opportunities, not broadening them. But I'm mostly self- and apprentice-taught, so that's just my opinion. I'm also in a circle where degrees don't matter, nobody cares, a degree is one stepping stone, not the destination. 


Jun 1, 13 9:46 am

For my fellow fundamentalist bashers, leading neuroscientist says religious fundamentalism is a mental illness, and treatable.

Jun 1, 13 10:40 am

We are long past the point where anyone with a different belief system from you is mentally ill. And yes, brainwashing is reversible. By brainwashing, of course. 

Jun 1, 13 10:49 am
Sarah Hamilton
Which Micheal Landon are we talking about, Bonanza - with all its damsels in distress and fist fights, Little House on the Prairie - in which case who gets to be Nelly and her mom, or Highway to Heaven? And if its the last one, I want to be the trucks with the beard; he was always so calm, wise, and happy.
Jun 1, 13 11:33 am

i don't really care where these kids go to school observant.  i understand you have a strong opinion on the difference between uiuc and k-state or whatever, but i honestly don't think it matters.  it is my opinion that any of these kids can get whatever computer they want and go wherever they want and in a broader, say 40 year, view, it doesn't matter at all.

Schools have collective personalities.  That might not be apparent from a website.  Also, some students, especially those new to the field, cannot discern curricular differences.  Neither could my comm. coll. drafting teacher (UT-Austin, go figure) after u.g., and he was an architect, as in "Oh, I think this one looks better."  I look for sequence and content distribution.  Also, one needs the fit factor.  Even though circumstances prevented me from going, one especially appealing aspect of Colorado-Denver was that all that the grad programs were at Denver, and the undergrad programs, and all the bullshit at that age, were at Boulder.  I had been in the workforce and did not want to deal with u.g.s if I didn't have to, especially since I always tended to have friends who were older than me.  However, a visit to the school revealed some disgruntled students at that point in time ... and I passed on it.  Also, a lot of the threads have been about weighing architecture and other options.  Having done the weighing, the wondering, and the postponing, I like to chime in.

Jun 1, 13 12:18 pm

Which Micheal Landon are we talking about, Bonanza

Probably this Michael Landon.  "Little Joe" on Bonanza.  Passed away early, from cancer, at age 54.  Born in Forest Hills, Queens, NY and died in Los Angeles, CA.  RIP - Michael Landon.

Jun 1, 13 12:26 pm
vado retro

beta here's why posters feel they can dis other work...

Jun 1, 13 12:44 pm


About starchitects, architecture is one of the few fields where, during your professional training, you seek to emulate famous architects, and even call out similarities during the development of your design.  If you are training to be a plastic surgeon, do you get starry eyed and indicate that you are trying to emulate an established medical professor's nose jobs?  No.  Ditto for legal education.  You simple strive to achieve generic and baseline competence.

Jun 1, 13 1:13 pm

If you are training to be a plastic surgeon, do you get starry eyed and indicate that you are trying to emulate an established medical professor's nose jobs?  No.  Ditto for legal education.  You simple strive to achieve generic and baseline competence.

I actually doubt that is the case. Every field and profession has certain people who excel and are looked up to and published. Doctors and lawyers have magazines, books, and articles too. Students who are serious about their education are influenced by this.

Jun 1, 13 2:39 pm


True.  However, there is no cooing.  Who was that famous heart surgeon in Houston TX?  DeBakey?  I'm sure than when he did a presentation to med students on his pioneering work on cardiac issues, he didn't storm out of there with arrogance.  Doctors have a high level of collegiality.  When a friend and 2 other guys went to rent a 3 bedroom house near a medical school's teaching hospital, they lost out to a medical student ... and what appeared to be his partner.  My friend and his 2 friends all had jobs, in IT and business, and could have effortlessly paid the rent.  Call it "doctor's courtesy."  It is one profession that does NOT eat its young.

When a starchitect comes to speak at a school function, they often seem to be doing a favor to students who want to ask questions or talk to them afterward.  I have seen this more than once.

In another setting, like business and law, they are not as cavalier to the students and seem to have better "recall" of when they were in their same shoes.

It is that veneer of elitism with starchitects that makes the whole thing annoying and, at times, even nauseating.

Jun 1, 13 2:50 pm

Starchitects are to architecture what Arnold Schwarzenegger is to movies.

Jun 1, 13 3:05 pm
Sarah Hamilton
Observant, Micheal Landon played in all three of the shows I listed, but were all slightly different personalities.

And can we lighten the mood in here? Anybody got a good joke?

Man walks into a bar...

...says "ow."
Jun 1, 13 3:15 pm

And can we lighten the mood in here? Anybody got a good joke?

Well, they are all dirty or politically incorrect, so here's a couple of lighter ones:

1.  Independent of the timing, with the sad events in Oklahoma, here's an old one:

Q:  What do tornadoes and divorces in Appalachia have in common?

A:  Either way, you lose the mobile home.


2.  One made for parochial grammar school:

A girl goes off to first grade for the very first time.  The teacher asks her "What's your name?"  The girl says "Happy butt."  The teacher asks her again "Ok, that's not acceptable, please tell me your name."  The girl replies "It's Happy butt."  The teacher then tells her that they will be going to see the principal, who is told that the girl will not tell her her name.  The principal calls up the girl's mother and asks "Excuse me,  but your daughter is not cooperating and we'd like for her to tell us her name.  What is her name?"  In a real redneck-y drawl, the mother replied "Glad-ass."

I'm better with racier ones, but I'll defer.

Jun 1, 13 3:27 pm

Here again I'm laughing my ass off.....cause Michael Landon looked a lot like my uncle who is and Ingalls. Yup a direct family line to Laura. If I posted pictures which I will not you would think my uncle should be going after the TV industry.   Donna might go stir crazy and if not her Sarah might if they saw pictures of him.   He is now  an old rancher who has a slew of kids and  never had a TV  until ,Little House on the  Prairie was on  the Telly. 

I did know a woman  with the name: Gladis Bottomly...who became known a Happy Ass among friends...

I'm  glad people write what the want to here.  I was feeling like things were getting derailed here  this past week so I went away for a fresh breath of air.

Obsrevant is our Rush Limbaugh Michelle Bauckman all rolled into one... carry on!

Jun 1, 13 6:31 pm


Ok, if you say so, but it wouldn't be possible since I'm a Democrat.  Bauckman is spelled Bachmann!  I can't stand listening to Rush and click him off, and I don't like Michelle's stance.  Actually, I like Biden - both a Democrat and crusty.

So, far all my pedigree bullshit, you can imagine that I can interact with contractors fairly well for having that "veneer" you picked up on.  LOL.

Jun 1, 13 6:43 pm

observant - if you're a dem, what do you think of Clinton (Bill)?

Jun 1, 13 7:10 pm

Miles -

I could not stand him.  There was something very smarmy about him that rubbed me the wrong way from the very beginning.  If I recall correctly, I voted for him 1 of the 2 times.

From a practical standpoint, he was President for 8 years, between 2 recessionary periods, which are sort of naturally occurring phenomena.  Talk about timing and luck - much like architecture.

From a personal standpoint, two words:  Monica Lewinsky.

Jun 1, 13 7:15 pm
Gladys Bottomly is an excellent name and if that was my name I'd answer to Happy Ass proudly!

Almost as good as Dick Busch.
Jun 1, 13 10:55 pm

hi all, been enjoying vacation in NC and SC...

just ate at a great place in Charleston called The Ordinary

Jun 2, 13 12:34 am


Those are 2 beautiful states, each in their own way.  I have never had the chance to visit either's seafront cities, let alone their beaches.  I have only been to the major population centers in each.  Another thing I'd like to see are the mountains of North Carolina.  Many people are clueless as to the different biogeographic venues in the Southeast.

Jun 2, 13 12:47 am

i grew up on all the michael landon shows.  anything else on our tv was considered satanic by gramma so we pretty much had to love him.  and the walton's. i was thinking lil house on the prairie though.  and i expect we all believe that the mean sprited ol biddy is someone else...i guess we might have better discussions if we all worried we were the gratuitous malignancy that added color to the episodes.

Jun 2, 13 9:30 am

Observant with that being said, I'm changing parties....Think I will Become a "Nader-Guy."

Jun 2, 13 9:45 am

The Clinton Legacy:

Deregulated the FCC (Telecommunications Act of 1996), allowing monopolization of the media (5 companies now control the vast majority of all US media).

Signed the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, which removed the protections put in place with the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 after the First Great Depression, paving the way for the Mortgage Crisis, among many other things.

Signed NAFTA, which as we all know eviscerated manufacturing in this country. What many don't know is that it allowed CorpAg to dump overproduced, taxpayer subsidized corn in Mexico for 20% less than it cost a Mexican subsistence farmer to grow it, radically increasing illegal immigration to the US. The US now has a trade deficit with Mexico, before NAFTA there was a trade surplus.

Signed DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act).

Signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which led directly to an unregulated derivatives market, ENRON, credit default swaps, etc., as well stuff that we will no doubt be finding out about for decades to come.

Replaced welfare with workfare without raising the minimum wage to a sustainable level, effectively turning the truly poor into really cheap forced labor.

Signed the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997, reducing taxes on the rich (capital gains taxes reduced 1/3). The carrot was a $400 child tax credit for the working class. Whoopie!

Signed The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, requiring "telecommunications carriers and manufacturers of telecommunications equipment modify and design their equipment, facilities, and services to ensure that they have built-in surveillance capabilities, allowing federal agencies to monitor all telephone, broadband internet, and VoIP traffic in real-time" and leading the way to subsequent violations of constitutional rights.

Signed The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which called for regime change in Iraq and was subsequently used as the basis for the Congressional Authorization for use of Military Force Against Iraq in October 2002 (under Bush).

I could go on, but I think you get the idea.

In reference to Nader, I like Jill Stein. Especially after she was arrested for showing up at the Obamney Hofstra debate. What do you think they are afraid of?

Jun 2, 13 12:34 pm

Observant with that being said, I'm changing parties....Think I will Become a "Nader-Guy."

Most first-gens are conservative Democrats, reflecting their parents' beliefs.  You should understand than from the demographics in your purported region.  Some are conservative Republicans and, for historical reasons, many first-gen Cubans are often included in that group.  First-gens who become loaded (flush with cash) often switch over to being Republicans.

Jun 2, 13 1:29 pm

Jesse Ventura 2016. 

Jun 2, 13 1:30 pm

I could go on, but I think you get the idea.

Wow.  I only knew some of that.  I was buried deep in cutting museum board and calculating beam deflection, finding an internship, and then taking the ARE while that was going on.  It's all stuff of which the reverberations would be, and were, felt later.  NAFTA - I was naive, well not really.  Since I couldn't go job hunting in Montreal, it was useless to me.  And I did sense it wasn't the best game plan, either.

Jun 2, 13 1:33 pm

I'm currently in a FB war with someone posting anti-vaccine hoohah.  Man, you just can't argue logically with these people.

Jun 2, 13 1:38 pm

Depends on what vaccines your talking about. The flu shot is complete bs.  Polio, MMR, etc are obviously necessary.  Big pharma is about as trustworthy as Monsanto. 

Jun 2, 13 1:45 pm

@Miles Jaffe

You sure did leave out a lot of partisan information on the origin or at least the bi-partisan role on those acts/bills. It's almost as if you are trying to spin it in favor of some sort of ideology... 

@jla-x, "flu shot is complete bs"

Not necessarily complete bs, just less effective than expected by the general populous. 

Jun 2, 13 2:04 pm

On a lighter note:

I hired movers solely for furniture and books. I'm taking care of everything else. Archi-nerd problems.

Jun 2, 13 2:21 pm

How many books are we talking?

Jun 2, 13 2:36 pm

You know, Josh, buying pizza always makes for "free" moving help.  It has worked for me!

Those U-Haul trucks can be cheap on weekends, if you don't put many miles on them.  I've had some $31 moves, plus feeding my friends, of course.

Jun 2, 13 3:21 pm

Observant please go on...and on and on....then tell us some more.

Jun 2, 13 3:23 pm

that wasn't Observant that was Miles....sorry....Observant...guess I will have to be more observant.

Jun 2, 13 3:25 pm

I don't bother with the flu vaccine.  But childhood vaccines are getting safer and safer while simultaneously instances of childhood diseases we thought were pretty much gone are now on the rise. I don't especially trust big pharma either, but if they thought they could make more money TREATING measles, pertussis etc. than preventing them they would be supporting the anti-vaxxers instead of the opposite.

Jun 2, 13 3:39 pm

Observant please go on...and on and on....then tell us some more.

You need to go on as well.  I'm sure New England and Brazil make for some cool stories.  School, too.  I look for humor in everything.  I always come back from my travels with crazy stories.

Jun 2, 13 3:44 pm

how about chicken pox?  when i was kid, parents wanted their kids to get it young and get it over with.  not getting chicken pox when you were young meant you could get it when you're older and the risk of bad side effects were greater.

now there is concern over scarring (even though everyone i knew my age had chicken pox and none of them, to the best of my recollection, had permanent scarring) and things like that so kids are vaccinated against it.  i'm not making that choice for any children, so i'm not really on one side of the fence or the other.  was there no vaccine available when i was a kid?

if someone doesn't like vaccines, i support their right not get vaccinated as long as it only effects them.  some vaccinations are to prevent widespread outbreaks, and you're not doing it for yourself but for you community.  i don't think people should be selfish and hurt their communities because of fabricated pseudo-science.  i know for myself, doctors sometimes say i should take antibiotics when there is a potential for infection, but i typically don't.  i'm not against antibiotics, and if i have an infection of some sort i will take them, i'm just not comfortable with over-use.

i would think the argument for big-pharma is that you can vaccinate everyone, and probably get a government subsidy on top of it, whereas treating the illness you're limited to those that actually get the virus.

Jun 2, 13 3:54 pm

Probably has to do with our weakened immune systems from the crap we feed kids and the fact that less mothers are breast feeding.  My kids were breast fed until they were 3. Taboo in the us but they get sick maybe once every 2 years.  My sisters kids were never breast fed and get sick like every other month. I dunno I'm not a doc but it seems to have worked. 

Jun 2, 13 4:01 pm

There was no reliable chicken pox vaccine until about 12 years ago.  My sister is a doctor; her oldest son got chicken pox the disease and she kept him with his slightly younger brother so they would both have it at the same time (my mom did this with my sister and I when we were young, too) and then be done with it.  By the time the third child came along the vaccine was improved to the point hat it is now considered safer to have the vaccine than the disease.  Now we are seeing older people - because we live longer? - with a higher incidence of shingles, which is a late-life response to the chickenpox virus being in your system, so they are recommending that over-50 year olds get a second vaccine against shingles.  I intend to as soon as my doc will let me as I hear shingles SUCKS.

When I was a kid everyone had a dimpled scar on their arm (from the smallpox vaccination, I think) that I always thought was cool, because I never developed one.

Jun 2, 13 4:22 pm

curtkram, you said: if someone doesn't like vaccines, i support their right not get vaccinated as long as it only effects them.

What this would mean is they could never leave the house or interact physically with any other human.  So that's fine by me, too, if they want to go to those lengths because they're afraid of conspiracy theories.

Jun 2, 13 4:25 pm

With all this talk I'll announce that I think my pneumonia is relapsing.  Going to the doc tomorrow.  curt if you ever get pneumonia *please* take the antibiotics and do all you can to get better - I've never felt so awful and miserable as when I had pneumonia three weeks ago.

Jun 2, 13 4:27 pm

observant I don't know about funny but I can tell you  about one of the most uncomfortable moments I have had in the last ten years.  I will most likely make you laugh.  I setting up for a  public meeting for a project and my clients lawyer was there also scurrying around the room helping set up. I was just sorta standing in one place when I was bumped and both hands went back in an attempt to catch my balance.  Well they did come to rest  hard,  square on the backside of the young female lawyer.  I must have turned a million shades of red. She looked at me and winked, and then said it is ok.....knowing full well it was an accident.

Jun 2, 13 4:41 pm

Yes, vaccines are weird things.  I always opt to get them, having received a tetanus booster.  I've never gotten sick from a vaccine.  I had the Hep A/Hep B vaccine.  They say that, if you travel, you should have that one.  There is currently no Hep C vaccine and there is a national push for testing, irrespective of risk factors. 

Fortunately, they've come up with a vaccine for HPV and it is administered to kids prior to high school.  It's carried on the skin and some 40% of the adult U.S. population has it, though in a dormant state.  The vaccine doesn't reportedly hit the many strains, though.  It's only a few strains that are problematic, in that they can cause cervical and ovarian cancer and, more rarely, penile cancer.

Antibiotic allergies are a frightening thing, though.  And they can be in someone's DNA, it seems.  There is one family of older, rudimentary antibiotics that I was able to piece together that some of my relatives, both here and abroad, are allergic to ... so if about 3 people in a family tree have a problem, you might too.

Jun 2, 13 4:44 pm
Good story, snook.

My temperature was 99 this afternoon and now 100. Dammit. Pneumonia bites the big donkey dong.
Jun 2, 13 7:51 pm

Some of the craziest things happen to me...

Jun 2, 13 10:05 pm


That IS funny.  It's good she had a sense of humor, too.  My funniest travel story was a fight with a restauranteur in Greece who spoke better English than I thought, and a loud drunk local on the economy overnight milk train from Lisbon to the Algarve (the south coast) who made the German guy sitting across from me go medieval at about 3 a.m. and various people in the train car got into it.  All good stuff. 

Jun 2, 13 10:29 pm

@ Randall Holmes

re: partisan. There are two parties. One consists of corporate-sponsored and corporate-serving politicians, the other of citizens.

Jun 2, 13 10:52 pm

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