I just got an admit into Berkeley for M.Arch program and I needed to buy a new laptop .. Right now I am really confused between Mac and Window laptop.!!
When I asked few of my friends, they asked me to buy a windows laptop as it supports all the softwares we use.. But I am more inclined towards Mac and really wanted to know how much difference does it make in terms of softwares?? As far as I know, Autodesk/ Sketchup/ Rhino are mac supportable and only grasshopper is not.. so my question is - how often we use that software in the masters program and do you think that I should be compromising with the windows laptop just for that software??
It would be really of great help if any of you guys would help me with ths!!
Thank you.
boy in a well
Jul 4, 15 3:58 am
fuck it, ill bite
"compromising with the windows laptop just for that software"
the fuck you think a computer is for? looking awesome? i suppose you mean grasshopper tho ... is revit native to macs? whats a computer for? its such a weird piece of personal / lifestyle hardware . . .
macs are attractive but ive never heard a substantive argument for mac over pc.
come at me bitches.
boy in a well
Jul 4, 15 4:22 am
can we talk about Trump now?
anonitect
Jul 4, 15 9:32 am
I really want a Trump pinata.
chigurh
Jul 4, 15 10:27 am
I have both...prefer a PC any day of the week for getting down with real work.
archky
Jul 9, 15 10:04 am
I used a dell m3800 when I was at Berkeley. I highly suggest looking into it. Macs aren't great in the architecture program
PsychLight
Jul 20, 15 1:57 pm
Definitely go with a PC. Software developers traditionally come out with PC compatible software first.
thefriendlyguy_11
Jul 22, 15 4:24 pm
How about installing window OS in your macbook so that you can have both OS ? idk if this will work and i'm not a professional here, just wondering have you ask anyone about this?
s=r*(theta)
Jul 28, 15 7:24 pm
my 2 cents; are you req'd by the arch. dept. to use specific software? do your arch dept. offer a computer lab / cluster? do you have a bread and butter software? are you/ or will you be working for a co. that is using mac or pc and specific software anytime soon?
if i was in your shoes, and im not, i would definitley go with a mac. the only software thats at the top of the list thats not offerd at this time of the software "trifecta" (you only need software in this business for 3 things processing, production, & presentation) is revit. i hear that around the corner.
otherwise, as u stated urself, sketchup, vray, draftsight, vectorworks, microsoft, adobe, open office, maxwell, renditioner, lightwave, rihno, artlantis, gimp, and a plethera of other softwares are readily availabe and pack as much if not more horse power as the industry standards
p.s. and you can always work btwn ur mac & the schools pc lab, if you continue in this career you will be doing most days anyway
Marc Miller
Jul 28, 15 8:49 pm
Ask yourself 3 questions-
1- Do you anticipate intensive use of grasshopper or Dynamo?
2- Do you want to reboot your machine to use the other OS?
3- Do you want to manage additional software to emulate another OS?
chigurh
Jul 29, 15 12:40 am
windows unless you are planning on becoming a suburban housewife.
curtkram
Jul 29, 15 9:41 am
^----
ask yourself these three questions:
1. are you a suburban housewife?
2. do you really need to ask any other questions?
3. profit.
rpuleo
Jul 30, 15 4:51 am
The best is mac, I have a Mac Book Pro that I bought from 2009 and still working now with no problems.
If you have a software only available in windows, you can always install a virtual machine of Windows and run it like this. I use a program called Parallels for this.
mac are more expensive but in a long term they are cheaper, because the quality of its components.
Good luck
null pointer
Jul 30, 15 2:28 pm
boy in a well is my spirit animal.
Non Sequitur
Jul 30, 15 3:12 pm
I sense more of these dumb questions will pop up soon as the end of summer rolls around.
If you're attacked to expensive shiny objects or are a slave to fashion (or both), get a Mac.
If you want the best value and performance, get a well made PC rig, preferably a tower.
BulgarBlogger
Jul 30, 15 3:54 pm
Get yourself a windows computer, buy Kaspersky antivirus an stop watching so much porn!!
Gemarch
Aug 7, 15 12:30 am
Thanq guys.. I might decide on it this week and I somehow feel tht I would end up buying dell precision series by looking at this discussion.
Thanks again...
kbg16
Aug 10, 15 5:22 am
Stop it. This is not even a serious question. Do not buy a pc. Buy a mac. It takes getting used to but it's way more reliable and stable than a pc. I had a 3 windows laptops and I have used my macbook air mid-2014 for adobe creative suite and rhino and I love it. PC's slow the fuck down and get full of junk so quickly you lose the use in them. Plus you have to buy antivirus. yes, macs are more expensive so pick one that will fit the job and it'll work flawlessly until you use that bitch so much it's battery capacity lower. But i'd rather have one macbook air than two brick pc's that can't perform.
Macbook air's get at least 11 hours of battery life. Get one with at least 256 gb of ssd flash memory so you can dual boot and have windows for some programs.
archmpf
Aug 10, 15 8:19 am
Congratulations, kbg16!
$100 have been added to your Revolutionary Apple(TM) Macbook(TM) iShill Account.
Seriously though, don't blame the PC for your incompetence and inability to use and maintain it. PCs just don't "slow the fuck down" by themselves unless you spend all your time on sketchy websites without adblock and install a shit-ton of software from unverified sources. Secondly, who actually buys anti-virus these days? Any free antivirus solution like Avira, Avast or Malwarebytes would perform just as well. When it comes to upgrading, you can upgrade your hard-drive and memory on a normal laptop after a few years but you cannot do that on a Mac. Intentionally getting tied down to the hardware and being at Apple's mercy is asinine as hell. Macs are expensive just because they are Macs. It's not prudent at all to spend 2x the money on something half as fast as a PC just because "mah brand value dawg", unless you're rich as hell and literally like throwing your money away. Even then, burning your money for heat during the chilly winters would serve a much better purpose than spending it on an inferior product like a Mac.
Non Sequitur
Aug 10, 15 9:24 am
KBG16 likes shiny objects.
ShakeyDeal
Aug 11, 15 3:35 pm
Windows in generally unreliable. Though, when it works its pleasant. As long as your Mac turns on, it will work with little to no maintenance.
bandpass
Aug 18, 15 10:35 am
Get a PC even if you're using AutoCAD, or Rhino. The Mac counterparts aren't as useable. Also important programs like Revit and 3ds are only PC compatible.
Roberto Rodriguez
Aug 18, 15 3:29 pm
just get a gaming pc, good graphics and fast processors
alexandersnyder
Dec 2, 15 1:32 am
Just busy buddy MacBook Air.
If you are looking for a thin and light laptop offering great performance and battery life, get a MacBook Air. Even if you need to run Windows. If you need a touchscreen, a hybrid device or you are short of funds, take a dive into the Wintel world.
Anonymoose
Dec 2, 15 4:54 am
@alexandersnyder
>Just busy buddy MacBook Air.
>busy buddy
Your innovative Apple auto-correct failed? Or is that their new "amazing" feature? Unless your only aim is to browse Facebook, you can't use a Macbook Air for any real work. Edgy and shiny but ultimately useless.
archiwutm8
Dec 2, 15 5:42 am
the air isn't gonna cut it for any heavy programs.
GNUKABIN
May 6, 16 5:28 pm
Hey, Check this information from Cornell (2016)
and read the warning carefully
Architecture Students
LAPTOP SPECS
Intel i7 Quad Core processor
Windows 10 x64
16GB of RAM
Dedicated video processor should be one of the following or greater: NVIDIA® Quadro® K2100M/K1100M, Nvidia Geforce 950M, AMD Radeon R9 M370X, AMD FirePro M4000 Mobility Pro
500GB hard drive (SSD hard drive preferred)
Wireless Ethernet (at least 802.11 g/n)
Three-year warranty (recommended)
Theft and damage insurance (recommended)
Total estimated cost: $1,737 for the lightweight Dell Precision 15 5000, or $1,765 the heavier Dell Precision 15 7000 with the above specs. Models with high-def (retina) displays are available as an add-on for around $300 more.
WARNING: With the release of the new slim Macbook as well as the Retina Macbook Pro, AAP IT Solutions can ONLY recommend the highest end model of Macbook Pro, the 15" version with a AMD Radeon R9 M370X video card. The other models come equipped with an onboard chip that is considerably less powerful than the AMD Radeon R9 M370X, and will not work well enough with 3D software and complex models. The direct link to the only recommended Apple laptop can be found here with EDU discount. NOTE: The majority of students who purchase a Macbook Pro regret the decision. They find themselves working in the Windows side the majority of the time and are left with a non-upgradeable and slower computer (after four years) than students who purchase a more flexible, Windows-based laptop. For example, RAM cannot be replaced or upgraded in a Macbook Pro and hard drives cost a considerable amount more and are proprietary.
N.TW
Apr 10, 18 12:21 am
archmpf speaks the truth above. I have owned and built many windows PCs for 20 years without virus issues, without spending money on antivirus. Mac is a beautiful computer to be sure. But it’s more like the difference between a Mercedes and a Honda. Both will do exactly what you ask them to do. One costs a lot more because it’s sexy.
TomCrawford
Apr 19, 18 2:27 pm
There are hundreds and even thousands of discussions on which Operational System is better: Windows or Mac. And it is understandable when people don't know what to choose. There is also a rule: people who use Mac say that Mac is the best, and people with Windows - vice versa. So, let think about disadvantages and advantages. Windows is more accessible as it supports more applications, all cables for laptops are spread and universal and they are less expensive in servicing. Apple is more about security. And speaking of Autodesk, Sketchup, Rhino and so on - there are a lot of analogs instead.
Non Sequitur
Apr 19, 18 2:43 pm
I use both, mac is overrated.
urbanity
Apr 19, 18 10:34 pm
i use both, they are both overated...
alikatircioglu
Apr 20, 18 8:38 am
As a Junior Architecture student, I use 15" MacPro with Windows BootCamp.
I always draw on the Windows side, (Revit, Cad, SkUp), edit my drawings and prepare finish or pres. boards on Mac side.
Adobe products (Photoshop) performs better on Mac.
You can set up your hard drive like (%40-%40 and %20 Shared).
Good luck!
Non Sequitur
Apr 20, 18 9:43 am
But a Mac is shiny.
alikatircioglu
Apr 20, 18 11:39 am
But unfortunately Autodesk does not provide Revit on Mac,
Hi all,
I just got an admit into Berkeley for M.Arch program and I needed to buy a new laptop .. Right now I am really confused between Mac and Window laptop.!!
When I asked few of my friends, they asked me to buy a windows laptop as it supports all the softwares we use.. But I am more inclined towards Mac and really wanted to know how much difference does it make in terms of softwares?? As far as I know, Autodesk/ Sketchup/ Rhino are mac supportable and only grasshopper is not.. so my question is - how often we use that software in the masters program and do you think that I should be compromising with the windows laptop just for that software??
It would be really of great help if any of you guys would help me with ths!!
Thank you.
fuck it, ill bite
"compromising with the windows laptop just for that software"
the fuck you think a computer is for? looking awesome? i suppose you mean grasshopper tho ... is revit native to macs? whats a computer for? its such a weird piece of personal / lifestyle hardware . . .
macs are attractive but ive never heard a substantive argument for mac over pc.
come at me bitches.
can we talk about Trump now?
I really want a Trump pinata.
I have both...prefer a PC any day of the week for getting down with real work.
I used a dell m3800 when I was at Berkeley. I highly suggest looking into it. Macs aren't great in the architecture program
Definitely go with a PC. Software developers traditionally come out with PC compatible software first.
How about installing window OS in your macbook so that you can have both OS ? idk if this will work and i'm not a professional here, just wondering have you ask anyone about this?
my 2 cents; are you req'd by the arch. dept. to use specific software? do your arch dept. offer a computer lab / cluster? do you have a bread and butter software? are you/ or will you be working for a co. that is using mac or pc and specific software anytime soon?
if i was in your shoes, and im not, i would definitley go with a mac. the only software thats at the top of the list thats not offerd at this time of the software "trifecta" (you only need software in this business for 3 things processing, production, & presentation) is revit. i hear that around the corner.
otherwise, as u stated urself, sketchup, vray, draftsight, vectorworks, microsoft, adobe, open office, maxwell, renditioner, lightwave, rihno, artlantis, gimp, and a plethera of other softwares are readily availabe and pack as much if not more horse power as the industry standards
p.s. and you can always work btwn ur mac & the schools pc lab, if you continue in this career you will be doing most days anyway
Ask yourself 3 questions-
1- Do you anticipate intensive use of grasshopper or Dynamo?
2- Do you want to reboot your machine to use the other OS?
3- Do you want to manage additional software to emulate another OS?
windows unless you are planning on becoming a suburban housewife.
^----
ask yourself these three questions:
1. are you a suburban housewife?
2. do you really need to ask any other questions?
3. profit.
The best is mac, I have a Mac Book Pro that I bought from 2009 and still working now with no problems.
If you have a software only available in windows, you can always install a virtual machine of Windows and run it like this. I use a program called Parallels for this.
mac are more expensive but in a long term they are cheaper, because the quality of its components.
Good luck
boy in a well is my spirit animal.
I sense more of these dumb questions will pop up soon as the end of summer rolls around.
If you're attacked to expensive shiny objects or are a slave to fashion (or both), get a Mac.
If you want the best value and performance, get a well made PC rig, preferably a tower.
Get yourself a windows computer, buy Kaspersky antivirus an stop watching so much porn!!
Thanq guys.. I might decide on it this week and I somehow feel tht I would end up buying dell precision series by looking at this discussion.
Thanks again...
Stop it. This is not even a serious question. Do not buy a pc. Buy a mac. It takes getting used to but it's way more reliable and stable than a pc. I had a 3 windows laptops and I have used my macbook air mid-2014 for adobe creative suite and rhino and I love it. PC's slow the fuck down and get full of junk so quickly you lose the use in them. Plus you have to buy antivirus. yes, macs are more expensive so pick one that will fit the job and it'll work flawlessly until you use that bitch so much it's battery capacity lower. But i'd rather have one macbook air than two brick pc's that can't perform.
Macbook air's get at least 11 hours of battery life. Get one with at least 256 gb of ssd flash memory so you can dual boot and have windows for some programs.
Congratulations, kbg16!
$100 have been added to your Revolutionary Apple(TM) Macbook(TM) iShill Account.
Seriously though, don't blame the PC for your incompetence and inability to use and maintain it. PCs just don't "slow the fuck down" by themselves unless you spend all your time on sketchy websites without adblock and install a shit-ton of software from unverified sources. Secondly, who actually buys anti-virus these days? Any free antivirus solution like Avira, Avast or Malwarebytes would perform just as well. When it comes to upgrading, you can upgrade your hard-drive and memory on a normal laptop after a few years but you cannot do that on a Mac. Intentionally getting tied down to the hardware and being at Apple's mercy is asinine as hell. Macs are expensive just because they are Macs. It's not prudent at all to spend 2x the money on something half as fast as a PC just because "mah brand value dawg", unless you're rich as hell and literally like throwing your money away. Even then, burning your money for heat during the chilly winters would serve a much better purpose than spending it on an inferior product like a Mac.
KBG16 likes shiny objects.
Windows in generally unreliable. Though, when it works its pleasant. As long as your Mac turns on, it will work with little to no maintenance.
Get a PC even if you're using AutoCAD, or Rhino. The Mac counterparts aren't as useable. Also important programs like Revit and 3ds are only PC compatible.
just get a gaming pc, good graphics and fast processors
Just busy buddy MacBook Air.
If you are looking for a thin and light laptop offering great performance and battery life, get a MacBook Air. Even if you need to run Windows. If you need a touchscreen, a hybrid device or you are short of funds, take a dive into the Wintel world.
@alexandersnyder
>Just busy buddy MacBook Air.
>busy buddy
Your innovative Apple auto-correct failed? Or is that their new "amazing" feature? Unless your only aim is to browse Facebook, you can't use a Macbook Air for any real work. Edgy and shiny but ultimately useless.
the air isn't gonna cut it for any heavy programs.
Hey, Check this information from Cornell (2016)
and read the warning carefully
Architecture Students
LAPTOP SPECS
WARNING: With the release of the new slim Macbook as well as the Retina Macbook Pro, AAP IT Solutions can ONLY recommend the highest end model of Macbook Pro, the 15" version with a AMD Radeon R9 M370X video card. The other models come equipped with an onboard chip that is considerably less powerful than the AMD Radeon R9 M370X, and will not work well enough with 3D software and complex models. The direct link to the only recommended Apple laptop can be found here with EDU discount. NOTE: The majority of students who purchase a Macbook Pro regret the decision. They find themselves working in the Windows side the majority of the time and are left with a non-upgradeable and slower computer (after four years) than students who purchase a more flexible, Windows-based laptop. For example, RAM cannot be replaced or upgraded in a Macbook Pro and hard drives cost a considerable amount more and are proprietary.
archmpf speaks the truth above. I have owned and built many windows PCs for 20 years without virus issues, without spending money on antivirus. Mac is a beautiful computer to be sure. But it’s more like the difference between a Mercedes and a Honda. Both will do exactly what you ask them to do. One costs a lot more because it’s sexy.
There are hundreds and even thousands of discussions on which Operational System is better: Windows or Mac. And it is understandable when people don't know what to choose. There is also a rule: people who use Mac say that Mac is the best, and people with Windows - vice versa. So, let think about disadvantages and advantages. Windows is more accessible as it supports more applications, all cables for laptops are spread and universal and they are less expensive in servicing. Apple is more about security. And speaking of Autodesk, Sketchup, Rhino and so on - there are a lot of analogs instead.
I use both, mac is overrated.
i use both, they are both overated...
As a Junior Architecture student, I use 15" MacPro with Windows BootCamp.
I always draw on the Windows side, (Revit, Cad, SkUp), edit my drawings and prepare finish or pres. boards on Mac side.
Adobe products (Photoshop) performs better on Mac.
You can set up your hard drive like (%40-%40 and %20 Shared).
Good luck!
But a Mac is shiny.
But unfortunately Autodesk does not provide Revit on Mac,
Stick to PC then.
PC
So many reasons not to buy a Mac.