Just commented on dressing-the-part and wondered about driving-the-part. I’m a car nut so I may not count but doesn’t it matter? In reading past threads on dress I guess I wasn’t surprised that about 50% of the posts had rather relaxed ideas about dress. I suppose this translates to cars and even the type of houses architects live in. This idea that so long as I’m producing good work nothing else matters seems to have some population. Well I submit that it does matter. Would you invest your money with a financial advisor that drove a junk car?
I realize that there is a matter of economics involved but shouldn’t we dress-the-part, drive-the-part, live in-the-part and overall be-the-part?
Interested to know from you - what kind of car do you drive and/or type of car an architect should drive?
wurdan freo
Aug 11, 16 8:12 pm
Poop... great truck. Looking at one right now with 200k miles on it for 14k. People I've spoken with tell me the truck will run for 500k if properly maintained. What's been your experience?
poop876
Aug 11, 16 9:59 pm
Wurdan,
I've had it for about 13 years now and right now I've got just over 270k on it and I've never had issues with it. Changed brake lines as they rusted but that is about it. Regular maintenance that I do personally. If I could find one thats a little better shape I would get it. I'll post a pic so you can see. I've used this monster for everything. I think diesel sound is the best thing though. I would get it if I were you.
go do it
Aug 11, 16 11:07 pm
an architect should not drive he / she should have a driver.
thank you
thank you very much
Andrew.Circle
Aug 12, 16 11:49 am
1954 Ford F-100 (on the wish list). Love the curves on this baby, way better than the overcompensating, roided-out contemporary Build Ford Tough trucks. Added bonus, the matte black perfectly matches my black turtleneck, black chinos, black suitcase, black snakeskin boots, etc.
proto
Aug 12, 16 2:37 pm
i would like to show up to projects, interviews in a vintage porsche
this would work
or this jag
tduds
Aug 12, 16 2:52 pm
I've always been partial to Vintage BMWs.
situationist
Aug 13, 16 7:51 am
Who still owns cars?
Wilma Buttfit
Aug 13, 16 8:56 am
4 years ago I was a bus commuter while pregnant. Then I got a car. I agree with whoever said having a paid off car is best.
bowling_ball
Aug 14, 16 1:21 am
We've somehow got 3 cars (2 inherited). All are 15+ years old but one's a flawless black BMW Z3 convertible. Looks impressive at a glance despite costing us just $10k last year (20k miles!).
I've been a motorcycle rider for most of the last 3 decades and I can't wait to get my hands on another asap.
mtdew
Aug 15, 16 2:45 pm
I ride a Suzuki SV650S during the weekend. To the gym and running errands. I've a a lot of bikes, Triumph Daytona, 1979 CB750, Ducati Monster 620, CBR600, ZX7R. I love the SV because of it's bulletproof engineering, versatility, V twin.
We have a RX350 as the family car. Not a car to get excited about but it does everything well. At least it's black :)
Michael Bellefeuille
Aug 15, 16 4:59 pm
To get to work most days, I sport a 1979 Hawker Siddeley Canada PA3. Other days, I ride the bike I've had since I was 14--at least the frame--the rest has been slowly replaced over the years.
Only when I have to go to a meeting, do I drive--and then it's a 2005 Subaru Outback. It's practical--especially in the winter when I want to do minimal shoveling--and easy to leave items like a hard hat and rolls of drawings in the back, yet I also think it's well-designed in terms of aesthetics (especially the wrap-around windows).
David Cole, AIA
Aug 15, 16 5:16 pm
I can't believe the MBTA is still running those prehistoric Hawker-Siddeley trains. Those things were decrepit when I lived in Boston 16 years ago.
tduds
Aug 15, 16 5:22 pm
The green line is, as my ex put it, "a sad bus on tracks"
situationist
Aug 15, 16 5:45 pm
.
Josh Mings
Aug 15, 16 5:54 pm
2001 Pontiac Grand Am! I'm a baller.
Or I drive only to get groceries, visit family in other states, and go to job sites. Mechanically it still works great, looks okay-ish on the outside, and I'm not trying to impress the ladies so what's the point in buying a new car that is parked most of the time?
TIQM
Aug 17, 16 10:39 pm
I drive a BMW 335. I really could care less what people think of it, or what image it projects. I have driven BMWs for years, because they are incredibly well engineered cars. The 3-Series has been honed to perfection. Big fan.
And the 335 is a rocket.
BulgarBlogger
Aug 18, 16 12:20 am
I don't think architects should drive any cars. Love bikes. Not only do cars produce greenhouse gas emitions, they also contribute to urban sprawl. So suburban of you all.
TIQM
Aug 18, 16 12:39 am
Little hard for me to go to a construction site meeting 120 miles away on a bicycle.
greatescape
Aug 18, 16 3:03 am
I have a daily driver 2015 BMW i8 and have a 2008 Lamborghini Murcielago that my dad passed down to me. I also have a 2004 f150 that I use for job sites that are in the middle of no where.
Non Sequitur
Aug 18, 16 4:47 am
^no private jet? How pedestrian of you.
A.I.
Aug 18, 16 4:48 am
I drive a BMW 335. I really could care less what people think of it, or what image it projects. I have driven BMWs for years, because they are incredibly well engineered cars. The 3-Series has been honed to perfection. Big fan.
And the 335 is a rocket.
+1
328 here. Ever since they added a turbo and dropped 2 cylinders, its performance has been incredible. Pretty sure I'll be a loyal customer for years to come. I'll upgrade to a 335 when I can afford it.
archiwutm8
Aug 18, 16 6:01 am
Honda Fit/Civic, I'm a massive JDM fan.
shellarchitect
Aug 18, 16 10:12 am
i plan to drive my malibu until i can get a self-driving car
side note - the woodward dream cruise is gearing up, most annoying weekend of the year for non car lovers.
mightyaa
Aug 18, 16 10:51 am
328 here. Ever since they added a turbo and dropped 2 cylinders, its performance has been incredible. Pretty sure I'll be a loyal customer for years to come. I'll upgrade to a 335 when I can afford it.
I'm disliking my '08 BMW M3 (54k miles) most of the time. Sensors are going bad rapidly at this point and it's regularly in the shop. You can't get out of the shop for less than a grand (and that's not the dealership where it'd be twice that). It's parts also have a hefty markup reflecting the brand, not the cost to produce the part. So... I'm moving on soon.
BulgarBlogger
Aug 18, 16 12:54 pm
Funny how many of you believe in sustainability, boast about what car you drive, yet are inactive in your communities to promote better-planned cities and neighborhoods...
Just stating the hypocrisy...
Non Sequitur
Aug 18, 16 12:59 pm
I rock a 2008 toyota Yaris sedan, so... take that!
At least it's black.
s=r*(theta)
Aug 18, 16 1:12 pm
working towards 2015 black ford mustang
shellarchitect
Aug 18, 16 9:02 pm
Not sure what you base that on bulgar
Donna Sink
Aug 18, 16 9:24 pm
Bulgar I believe in sustainability, I actively volunteer supporting transit, equitable education, and good design in my community, and I love my car. Many of my coworkers do none of those things and also drive 40-60 minutes one way to get to work, while I drive 10.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
awaiting_deletion
Aug 18, 16 9:31 pm
bulgar I walk with my children to the park, through no sidewalk territory and get all these dirty looks from automobile people, like I'm a bad father and white trash (well I might be deep down) but I do so much walking transit I'm sustainable except when I insult people on archinect :)
I drive whatever car my wife wants to be driving at the time. a to b, who cares.
sustainable architecture is an oxymoron any if you want to be literal about bulgar, like you're being about architects and their cars.
BulgarBlogger
Aug 18, 16 10:16 pm
I don't have a driver's license and proud of it. I don't have an excuse for bringing in carbon emissions and I am proud of it. If I have kids one day, I won't move to a suburban home because I will need to drive and contribute much more to greenhouse gas emissions than if I were to ride my bike or put my kids on a bus.
Cars are trophy sculptures that we wave around to keep up with the Jones's. If it were purely about function, take the train or rent a car if you absolutely must; but don't own a car or show it off like bling...
awaiting_deletion
Aug 18, 16 10:19 pm
unless you live in Kansas bulgar, the only option is a car and renting would be dumb if you needed it everyday.
What about electric cars? (besides the whole embodied energy aspect)
BulgarBlogger
Aug 18, 16 10:33 pm
I'm cool with electric cars. But sustainability isn't just about energy... its about the collective advantage and cultural wealth, knowledge, and tolerance toward people you obtain when living nearby others.
David Cole, AIA
Aug 18, 16 10:52 pm
Bulgar, spare us your self-righteous sanctimony. Each of your future kids will add 9441 metric tons to your carbon footprint, versus about 50 metric tons for driving a 30-MPG car for ten years. If you really wanted to save the planet, you'd be better off staying child-free and buying a Toyota Camry.
BulgarBlogger
Aug 18, 16 11:28 pm
Whatever
David Cole, AIA
Aug 18, 16 11:36 pm
You don't have a clue about me. I've been walking or taking public transit to work for over 20 years, and I've been forcefully advocating for public transit in my community and nationwide for about the same amount of time. You resort to name-calling because you have jack shit when it comes to credibility.
David Cole, AIA
Aug 18, 16 11:38 pm
And yes, I saw what you wrote before you edited it. You should've left it there for the world to see.
BulgarBlogger
Aug 19, 16 12:30 am
David- That last bit I wrote (that I erased) was so low of me- that I do feel really embarrassed by it despite the anonymity. For that, I'm sincerely sorry and take responsibility for it. Not that you should care, but I took out my frustration out on you in a really disrespectful and humiliating way. I was upset, and I'm sorry for the words. I don't expect you to respond, but it would be seriously beyond anything I stand for as a person if I didn't publicly appologize to you.
BulgarBlogger
Aug 19, 16 12:32 am
Note to self- don't use this forum or people on here instead of punching bags at the gym when I need to let off some steam in my personal life. Again- sorry for the words.
David Cole, AIA
Aug 19, 16 12:38 am
Bulgar, I appreciate the apology. I've certainly said things online that I regret. No hard feelings.
geezertect
Aug 19, 16 12:03 pm
I'm cool with electric cars. But sustainability isn't just about energy... its about the collective advantage and cultural wealth, knowledge, and tolerance toward people you obtain when living nearby others.
I thought you were concerned with carbon. Uhhhh, I'm pretty sure that IS primarily about energy.
Your theory about cultural wealth (buzzword!) doesn't really hold up. Some pretty convincing sociological studies show that social trust tends to go down, not up, as density increases. Particularly when density is combined with "diversity" which is so much the rage these days. Human beings are hard wired to be at least somewhat tribal. If you think architects or anyone else are going to change human nature, I can only wish you good luck.
Gotta go wash my Cadillac now.
chris-chitect
Aug 23, 16 1:59 am
I've always been a fan of Mercedes, but do prefer their design from the 60s-90s. Above is my 560SEL that I purchased in my first year of architecture school ten years ago.
b3tadine[sutures]
Aug 23, 16 7:28 am
If you're an architect, and you're not driving this to work, well, let's just say;
bowling_ball
Aug 24, 16 10:16 pm
I'd like to post a picture of the beauty bike I bought today, but archinect's photo upload capabilities are stuck in 1996. WTF.
awaiting_deletion
Aug 24, 16 11:49 pm
one day...
cipyboy
Sep 15, 16 4:18 pm
driving a Volvo XC90 for 6 yrs. never failed me at work, with family, and its beautiful. I'm currently admiring the Fiat Spider Abarth on my computer screen right now :D
Josh Mings
Sep 15, 16 4:48 pm
I have this thing now instead of the old Pontiac Grand Am. I'm liking it. 2016 Toyota Prius C, because I'm saving the Earth or something.
Non Sequitur
Sep 15, 16 5:03 pm
Sorry... can't resist.
mightyaa
Sep 15, 16 5:07 pm
I've been tempted by this lately and trading my M3:
haruki
Sep 15, 16 5:24 pm
I think the Porsche Cayman is the right car for an architect if we are talking about the car to take to job sites. It hits just the right balance as it it isn't as expensive as a 911 so clients wont think that you are too fancy, isn't likely to be more expensive than their car, but is nice enough so that they won't think you are too downtrodden either. It isn't a commonly seen model so it has that going for it as well.
Just commented on dressing-the-part and wondered about driving-the-part. I’m a car nut so I may not count but doesn’t it matter? In reading past threads on dress I guess I wasn’t surprised that about 50% of the posts had rather relaxed ideas about dress. I suppose this translates to cars and even the type of houses architects live in. This idea that so long as I’m producing good work nothing else matters seems to have some population. Well I submit that it does matter. Would you invest your money with a financial advisor that drove a junk car?
I realize that there is a matter of economics involved but shouldn’t we dress-the-part, drive-the-part, live in-the-part and overall be-the-part?
Interested to know from you - what kind of car do you drive and/or type of car an architect should drive?
Poop... great truck. Looking at one right now with 200k miles on it for 14k. People I've spoken with tell me the truck will run for 500k if properly maintained. What's been your experience?
Wurdan, I've had it for about 13 years now and right now I've got just over 270k on it and I've never had issues with it. Changed brake lines as they rusted but that is about it. Regular maintenance that I do personally. If I could find one thats a little better shape I would get it. I'll post a pic so you can see. I've used this monster for everything. I think diesel sound is the best thing though. I would get it if I were you.
an architect should not drive he / she should have a driver.
thank you
thank you very much
1954 Ford F-100 (on the wish list). Love the curves on this baby, way better than the overcompensating, roided-out contemporary Build Ford Tough trucks. Added bonus, the matte black perfectly matches my black turtleneck, black chinos, black suitcase, black snakeskin boots, etc.
i would like to show up to projects, interviews in a vintage porsche
this would work
or this jag
I've always been partial to Vintage BMWs.
Who still owns cars?
4 years ago I was a bus commuter while pregnant. Then I got a car. I agree with whoever said having a paid off car is best.
We've somehow got 3 cars (2 inherited). All are 15+ years old but one's a flawless black BMW Z3 convertible. Looks impressive at a glance despite costing us just $10k last year (20k miles!).
I've been a motorcycle rider for most of the last 3 decades and I can't wait to get my hands on another asap.
I ride a Suzuki SV650S during the weekend. To the gym and running errands. I've a a lot of bikes, Triumph Daytona, 1979 CB750, Ducati Monster 620, CBR600, ZX7R. I love the SV because of it's bulletproof engineering, versatility, V twin.
We have a RX350 as the family car. Not a car to get excited about but it does everything well. At least it's black :)
To get to work most days, I sport a 1979 Hawker Siddeley Canada PA3. Other days, I ride the bike I've had since I was 14--at least the frame--the rest has been slowly replaced over the years.
Only when I have to go to a meeting, do I drive--and then it's a 2005 Subaru Outback. It's practical--especially in the winter when I want to do minimal shoveling--and easy to leave items like a hard hat and rolls of drawings in the back, yet I also think it's well-designed in terms of aesthetics (especially the wrap-around windows).
I can't believe the MBTA is still running those prehistoric Hawker-Siddeley trains. Those things were decrepit when I lived in Boston 16 years ago.
The green line is, as my ex put it, "a sad bus on tracks"
.
2001 Pontiac Grand Am! I'm a baller.
Or I drive only to get groceries, visit family in other states, and go to job sites. Mechanically it still works great, looks okay-ish on the outside, and I'm not trying to impress the ladies so what's the point in buying a new car that is parked most of the time?
I drive a BMW 335. I really could care less what people think of it, or what image it projects. I have driven BMWs for years, because they are incredibly well engineered cars. The 3-Series has been honed to perfection. Big fan.
And the 335 is a rocket.
I don't think architects should drive any cars. Love bikes. Not only do cars produce greenhouse gas emitions, they also contribute to urban sprawl. So suburban of you all.
Little hard for me to go to a construction site meeting 120 miles away on a bicycle.
I have a daily driver 2015 BMW i8 and have a 2008 Lamborghini Murcielago that my dad passed down to me. I also have a 2004 f150 that I use for job sites that are in the middle of no where.
^no private jet? How pedestrian of you.
I drive a BMW 335. I really could care less what people think of it, or what image it projects. I have driven BMWs for years, because they are incredibly well engineered cars. The 3-Series has been honed to perfection. Big fan.
And the 335 is a rocket.
+1
328 here. Ever since they added a turbo and dropped 2 cylinders, its performance has been incredible. Pretty sure I'll be a loyal customer for years to come. I'll upgrade to a 335 when I can afford it.
Honda Fit/Civic, I'm a massive JDM fan.
i plan to drive my malibu until i can get a self-driving car
side note - the woodward dream cruise is gearing up, most annoying weekend of the year for non car lovers.
328 here. Ever since they added a turbo and dropped 2 cylinders, its performance has been incredible. Pretty sure I'll be a loyal customer for years to come. I'll upgrade to a 335 when I can afford it.
I'm disliking my '08 BMW M3 (54k miles) most of the time. Sensors are going bad rapidly at this point and it's regularly in the shop. You can't get out of the shop for less than a grand (and that's not the dealership where it'd be twice that). It's parts also have a hefty markup reflecting the brand, not the cost to produce the part. So... I'm moving on soon.
Funny how many of you believe in sustainability, boast about what car you drive, yet are inactive in your communities to promote better-planned cities and neighborhoods...
Just stating the hypocrisy...
I rock a 2008 toyota Yaris sedan, so... take that!
At least it's black.
working towards 2015 black ford mustang
Not sure what you base that on bulgar
Bulgar I believe in sustainability, I actively volunteer supporting transit, equitable education, and good design in my community, and I love my car. Many of my coworkers do none of those things and also drive 40-60 minutes one way to get to work, while I drive 10.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
bulgar I walk with my children to the park, through no sidewalk territory and get all these dirty looks from automobile people, like I'm a bad father and white trash (well I might be deep down) but I do so much walking transit I'm sustainable except when I insult people on archinect :)
I drive whatever car my wife wants to be driving at the time. a to b, who cares.
sustainable architecture is an oxymoron any if you want to be literal about bulgar, like you're being about architects and their cars.
I don't have a driver's license and proud of it. I don't have an excuse for bringing in carbon emissions and I am proud of it. If I have kids one day, I won't move to a suburban home because I will need to drive and contribute much more to greenhouse gas emissions than if I were to ride my bike or put my kids on a bus.
Cars are trophy sculptures that we wave around to keep up with the Jones's. If it were purely about function, take the train or rent a car if you absolutely must; but don't own a car or show it off like bling...
unless you live in Kansas bulgar, the only option is a car and renting would be dumb if you needed it everyday.
What about electric cars? (besides the whole embodied energy aspect)
I'm cool with electric cars. But sustainability isn't just about energy... its about the collective advantage and cultural wealth, knowledge, and tolerance toward people you obtain when living nearby others.
Bulgar, spare us your self-righteous sanctimony. Each of your future kids will add 9441 metric tons to your carbon footprint, versus about 50 metric tons for driving a 30-MPG car for ten years. If you really wanted to save the planet, you'd be better off staying child-free and buying a Toyota Camry.
Whatever
You don't have a clue about me. I've been walking or taking public transit to work for over 20 years, and I've been forcefully advocating for public transit in my community and nationwide for about the same amount of time. You resort to name-calling because you have jack shit when it comes to credibility.
And yes, I saw what you wrote before you edited it. You should've left it there for the world to see.
David- That last bit I wrote (that I erased) was so low of me- that I do feel really embarrassed by it despite the anonymity. For that, I'm sincerely sorry and take responsibility for it. Not that you should care, but I took out my frustration out on you in a really disrespectful and humiliating way. I was upset, and I'm sorry for the words. I don't expect you to respond, but it would be seriously beyond anything I stand for as a person if I didn't publicly appologize to you.
Note to self- don't use this forum or people on here instead of punching bags at the gym when I need to let off some steam in my personal life. Again- sorry for the words.
Bulgar, I appreciate the apology. I've certainly said things online that I regret. No hard feelings.
I'm cool with electric cars. But sustainability isn't just about energy... its about the collective advantage and cultural wealth, knowledge, and tolerance toward people you obtain when living nearby others.
I thought you were concerned with carbon. Uhhhh, I'm pretty sure that IS primarily about energy.
Your theory about cultural wealth (buzzword!) doesn't really hold up. Some pretty convincing sociological studies show that social trust tends to go down, not up, as density increases. Particularly when density is combined with "diversity" which is so much the rage these days. Human beings are hard wired to be at least somewhat tribal. If you think architects or anyone else are going to change human nature, I can only wish you good luck.
Gotta go wash my Cadillac now.
I've always been a fan of Mercedes, but do prefer their design from the 60s-90s. Above is my 560SEL that I purchased in my first year of architecture school ten years ago.
If you're an architect, and you're not driving this to work, well, let's just say;
I'd like to post a picture of the beauty bike I bought today, but archinect's photo upload capabilities are stuck in 1996. WTF.
one day...
driving a Volvo XC90 for 6 yrs. never failed me at work, with family, and its beautiful. I'm currently admiring the Fiat Spider Abarth on my computer screen right now :D
I have this thing now instead of the old Pontiac Grand Am. I'm liking it. 2016 Toyota Prius C, because I'm saving the Earth or something.
Sorry... can't resist.
I've been tempted by this lately and trading my M3:
I think the Porsche Cayman is the right car for an architect if we are talking about the car to take to job sites. It hits just the right balance as it it isn't as expensive as a 911 so clients wont think that you are too fancy, isn't likely to be more expensive than their car, but is nice enough so that they won't think you are too downtrodden either. It isn't a commonly seen model so it has that going for it as well.