i'm voting for hillary

Don't we already have about a half-dozen other election threads?

obama voters like to mindlessly repeat things

romney voters like to say one thing and then say something totally opposite, just because the wind is blowing in that particular direction...

every candidate is change...

Just make sure your vote is an informed one...regadless of candidate.

i do get tired of hearing that word, that Obama's word. Everybody should have a different word.

At least Ron Paul had "Revolution"

i'm 'decline to state' in california and can't vote in the republican primary

so i'm voting for hillary as the lesser of two evils

change! change! hope and change!
si se puede!!!

Free blah blah blah, I would have thought you were a republican.

THEaquino, that is a bit condescending to say to adults, dont cha think?

oh, and many republicans are voting for Hillary because they KNOW she is easy to beat

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/republicans_for_hillary.html

i am with THeaqino...


also , rent the movie..The Big Kahuna

This is what I know:

-Obama has strong stances on immigration, with smart ideas to change it in a positive way
-Obama has a realistic health care proposal that will make sure everyone hs it without overhanded police-state tactics (republicans you HAVE to hate her stances on this)
-Obama will work on reducing the influence of K street
-Obama will engage more strongly on international diplomacy. less war more talk and collaboration

-OBAMA does not come with the baggage that will drag this nation down with Hillary

Romney will beat Obama or Billary hands down in the general election. We don't need American Idol winner Obama or the Billary Dynasty in the White House again.

Obama haters think that by being loud and nasty they can stop what the majority of people want, a radical change on the way we do things (ie politics).

Romney is a loser, he cannot beat huckabee in a fight. he has no future.

Yeah, but Barack is just so damn charming!

I'm gonna say this and ya'll can flame away, but politicians are completely full of shit. All of them, even BO. What seperates a good politician from a bad one is his/her ability to bullshit. Obama can do it with a big smile on his face that makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, just like ol' Ronnie Reagan did for republicans. Hillary can't. You can call Hillary on her BS because she doesn't do it with a convincing smile on her face. You know you're getting fucked with her and it feels dirty.

People win presidential races based soley on this ability. It's a popularity contest, period. Frankly I think voting is a massive waste of time.

That won't stop me from voting by absentee ballot against Hillary if she gets the nod tho.

If its Hillary - McCain I'm moving to Canada.

Condescending? Maybe, but that's not my intention, it annoys me that people in my office are picking Romney over McCain just because McCain is old.

Just because people are adults mean they are voting for the right reasons. The adults who wrote Dean off because he screamed, or the ones who wrote off McCain for seeing his brown child in South Carolina, or like my friend's aunt who is still convinced Obama is Muslim.

I'm just sayin'

i'm with ff....the big kahuna is a great movie

the majority of archinect people are not misguided:

http://www.archinect.com/forum/threads.php?id=70890_0_42_0_C

Romney people, the numbers show that you are kinda wasting your time in this forum.

Agreed... Romney is a Republican version of Billary, except with more money and better looks. He was a flaming liberal while governor of Massachusetts, and now he wants everybody to believe he's always been a right-wing conservative. I disagree with almost everything Huckabee and McCain stand for, but at least they actually have some principles. Romney is just a political whore.

(that was in response to Elimelech's 7:51 post, btw)

Elimelech - you're wasting your time if you think Obama is going to get the nod of major democrats and get the nomination. Fact is, they will nominate Billary before a black man, for all their so called tolerance. That's the truth.

And for all Obama's "Change" all that means is he will raise taxes and move us closer to the Socialist European nightmare that the rest of the world is trying to run away from. (France being one of them)

Billary will get the nod and I'm glad she will, because then Romney will win by a landslide. She is angry and shrill and NO ONE likes her. She has ZERO experience.

McCain is a closet liberal. McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Leiberman, etc...etc. etc. Amnesty for illegals, etc. Voted against tax cuts, etc. A war hero. That is his ONE redeeming quality. But he's been running on that for years. He IS old and ill-tempered and not fit to run the mess in Washington.

I'm voting for the CEO. Not the talking heads who've already had their chance.

Romney '08.

spoken like a true obama supporter: in complete generalities.

ja, i challenge you to a duel

let's go issue by issue you post one then i'll post one and we will let people decide.

no cut and paste read the stuff and put it in your words

like this:

ja: IMMIGRATION
you say your spill

eli: i'll say my spill

sorry, i don't have time for this. maybe this evening.

i have no idea where hillary stands on immigration. not an issue that interests me. you can find my complete reasons for voting for hillary in the hillary thread.

I have laid out mine too, are you saying that Hillary supporters opinions count more than Obamas? Do not be disingenuous, do not insult fellow citizens, do not urge people to think it over and/or more in an OBAMA thread, it is condescending and out of place.

obama 08

I'm way up for Obama. I think he's the only candidate out there that can truly drive the party agenda forward:

1. Abolition of private property
2. Heavy Progressive Income tax
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance
4. Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels
5. Central Bank
6. Government control of communication and transportation
7. Government ownership of factories and agriculture
8. Government control of labor
9. Corporate Farms, regional planning
10. Government control of education

OBAMA '08 !!!

backup for any of that, sandroad?

Well it's one of the ten planks...how much more "backup" do you need?

Elimelech:-Obama has a realistic health care proposal that will make sure everyone hs it without overhanded police-state tactics (republicans you HAVE to hate her stances on this)
No! it is unrealistic to think that coming to the table with an already weak and compromised health care proposal that you are then going to negotiate with insurance and drug companies on, and then have vetted and watered down in Congress, will result in any sort of change.

-Obama will work on reducing the influence of K street
Will he do this the same way he got rid of lobbyists in his own campaign--by creating loopholes that do not count state lobbyists as lobbyists, and that accepts corporate money from executives b/c they are personal contributions, not corporate ones?

-OBAMA does not come with the baggage that will drag this nation down with Hillary
This might be my favorite argument.. that somehow Obama is not already or is not seeking to become the system. He was selected by Kerry four years ago to give the speech that launched his career, he was anointed by the corporate media as the change candidate, and he is backed by half of the establishment. His ideas are establishment ideas--tweaking the establishment, albeit, but very establishment.

If you want to shake up politics, vote for the one candidate who has never taken any corporate/lobbyist money, the candidate who made universal health care, affordable higher education, and economic justice a policy of the Democratic Party again, the candidate who has called America out on its egregious treatment and abandonment of its most vulnerable citizens, and who has called the Republicans out on the nonsense that is "the war on terror". His campaign may be suspended, and there may be no chance that he will win the nomination, but voting for him will force the $200 million gorillas in the race to seriously adopt some of his progressive policies and message, one based not just in rhetoric and platitudes, but in sound policy:

Vote John Edwards to take back America.

Nice to see the John Birch Society represented here.

sandroad, that answer was as slippery and meaningless as any i've seen/heard. maybe you don't have any foundation from which to be able to claim any of the ten items you've listed? i'd say that i'm farther liberal than most dems, but those aren't among any goals that ring true for me.

if this is to be at all a meaningful debate, the exaggeration needs to be turned down about 5 notches.

or maybe it's the goal of some to make sure that there ISN'T meaningful debate and that we all just take potshots at each other's candidates?

"Romney will beat Obama or Billary hands down in the general election. We don't need American Idol winner Obama or the Billary Dynasty in the White House again."

Crazy-person-denial post of the day!


and christ, how on earth is it that Romney people think racism is a perfectly legitimate point of view?



"si se puede!!!"


Am I the only one who things a bilingual America is actually a good thing?

eli, take it easy, man. not everyone is out to get you or obama. my feeling is obama is not an issues oriented candidate. you can disagree if you like. but i tend to vote on issues and am entitled to my opinion as you are yours. sheesh.

.. also,


My favorite obama myth is that its all glam and no substance. Dont hillary fans know Obamas plans on Iraq and the middle east and healthcare are actually more detailed and less vague than hers are?

This is idiotic...all this (repetivite) shit couldn't have been said on the other Obama thread? Wait, it already has.
Talk about beating a dead horse...

Wow, everyone else gets to play but except me? Part of the joke is that no one, including you, called me on the list specifically, especially since the list is via Karl Marx.

For a more pointed criticism using list, which I also didn't write, try this our:


1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management.



2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".



3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.



4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986);

Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.



5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).



6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.

We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.



7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.



8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Fedral Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.



9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.



10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .


By the way, that's a pretty high horse your riding, Steven. Are you going after exxagerations from both sides with equal fervor, or just mine?

Democrats = Communism.


Logic!

I just came over to help beat the dead horse! Let's restate everything that's been said and bother everybody with it some more!

I just got back from voting here in CA....me and 10 million of my closest friends! Woo hoo!

Sandroad, are you really in support of Obama because you like those things? The founders are rolling over in their graves.

I will again publically state that any canidate, either side (minus maybe Ron Paul) will throw this country into a depression with higher taxes & regulation combined with increased gov't spending/entitlements. Aided fully by an academic & reckless inflationary Fed. By 2012 this next president will be compared to Hoover in 1932, mark my words.

Are you for Paul, Aqua?

hillary's running on the idea of 'shared prosperity'

*shudders*

and i'm voting for her! (because barack is even worse)

I can support this one. Inheiritance just creates monsters like Paris Hilton the Walton family, etc.

When you really think about it, inheiritance is kind of anti-American.

I'm a registered independent.

Romney is the best candidate.

The end.

Free, tell us all why Obama would do any of these things.

If you guys really noticed many democrats hold beliefs similar to yours.

I want specifics: how is Obama going to:
a- be worse than Hillary
b- drive such an agenda

by 2012 (dec 21, to be precise...) the end of novel history as we know it will cease to exist as we engage the process of immanentizing the eschaton.

take a look...it's true.

the real birth story of humanity has yet to be written...

" 'Abolition of all rights of inheritance'

I can support this one. Inheiritance just creates monsters like Paris Hilton the Walton family, etc.

When you really think about it, inheiritance is kind of anti-American."


Well, lookee here... "slippery and meanignless", hmm? ...How d'ya like me now???

went to the rally, voted, volunteered.

Sandroad,

Your forgot the part about government-sponsored mind control through the fluoridation of the water supply.

Although, maybe you forgot because it's obviously working well. ;-)