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What's everyone doing for Thanksgiving? That is, if you're in the U.S.

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chatter of clouds

evidence of the very high likelihood, if not certainty, that the 'european diseases' were deliberately spread by the form of smallpox infected blankets, i'e. biological warfare on a massive scale. also plans to to train dogs to hunt down indians - but they didn't have enough dogs and eventually smallpox and co proved more effective anyway. 

Nov 19, 13 10:43 pm  · 
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+++ snook

Nov 19, 13 10:43 pm  · 
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chatter of clouds

and the result? 

The number of Native Americans quickly shrank by roughly half following European contact about 500 years ago, according to a new genetic study.

The finding supports historical accounts that Europeans triggered a wave of disease, warfare, and enslavement in the New World that had devastating effects for indigenous populations across the Americas. 

Nov 19, 13 10:44 pm  · 
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curtkram

tammuz is apparently thankful for all the hate and violence in the world, so he's trying to spread more of it to the rest of us....

Nov 19, 13 10:44 pm  · 
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chatter of clouds

you needn't react so personally because i criticize a tradition that you either maintain out of stupidity and ignorance or out of complete inhumane nonchalance. your tradition celebrates a genocide, nothing less. i'm not attacking you personally. draw your own conclusions about whether you wish to remain nonchalant. 

Nov 19, 13 10:58 pm  · 
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observant

Fuck!!!  I started this thread to see what people (Americans) were doing on Thanksgiving day, largely for what they'd be eating and who they'd be breaking bread with.

Then, with the discourse that followed, it only goes to show that architects can't agree ... on anything.

Any menus or recipes worth sharing?

Nov 19, 13 11:07 pm  · 
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chatter of clouds

how about a few hundred innocent peace loving Wiyot men, women, and children? will that appease your appetite? 

Nov 19, 13 11:15 pm  · 
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chatter of clouds

The Sand Creek Massacre

Assured by the U.S. Government's promises of peace, most of the warriors were off hunting buffalo, leaving only around 60 men, and women and children in the village. Most of the men were too old or too young to hunt. Black Kettle flew an American flag over his lodge, since previously the officers had said this would show he was friendly and prevent attack by U.S. soldiers.[17]
Setting out from Fort Lyon, Chivington and his 700 troops of the 1st Colorado Cavalry, 3rd Colorado Cavalry and a company of the 1st Regiment New Mexico Volunteer Cavalry marched to Black Kettle's campsite. James Beckwourth, noted frontiersman, acted as a guide for Chivington.[18] On the night of November 28, soldiers and militia drank heavily and celebrated their anticipated victory.[19] On the morning of November 29, 1864, Chivington ordered his troops to attack. Two officers, Captain Silas Soule and Lieutenant Joseph Cramer, commanding the First Colorado Cavalry companies D and K, respectively, refused to follow Chivington's order and told their men to hold fire.[20]
Other soldiers in Chivington's force, however, immediately attacked the village. Disregarding the American flag, and a white flag that was run up shortly after the soldiers commenced firing, Chivington's soldiers massacred many of its inhabitants.
I saw the bodies of those lying there cut all to pieces, worse mutilated than any I ever saw before; the women cut all to pieces ... With knives; scalped; their brains knocked out; children two or three months old; all ages lying there, from sucking infants up to warriors ... By whom were they mutilated? By the United States troops ...
—- John S. Smith, Congressional Testimony of Mr. John S. Smith, 1865[21]
Fingers and ears were cut off the bodies for the jewelry they carried. The body of White Antelope, lying solitarily in the creek bed, was a prime target. Besides scalping him the soldiers cut off his nose, ears, and testicles-the last for a tobacco pouch ...
—- Stan Hoig[22]
Jis to think of that dog Chivington and his dirty hounds, up thar at Sand Creek. His men shot down squaws, and blew the brains out of little innocent children. You call sich soldiers Christians, do ye? And Indians savages? What der yer 'spose our Heavenly Father, who made both them and us, thinks of these things? I tell you what, I don't like a hostile red skin any more than you do. And when they are hostile, I've fought 'em, hard as any man. But I never yet drew a bead on a squaw or papoose, and I despise the man who would.
—- Kit Carson[23]

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Nov 19, 13 11:23 pm  · 
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chatter of clouds

gwharton accuses me others of revisionist history. it is him or her and his or her ilk who revise history to suit their sanitized view of the shameful origins of the US that annually celebrates the death and devastation of many people. the way s/he paints native americans is racist and completely unrealistic. by no stretch of imagination can one even bring any and all  backlash by the native americans to equal the heinous mass-scale crimes of the so called 'forefathers' 

Nov 19, 13 11:27 pm  · 
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natives may have been fucked by whity, but it's over.  If folks want to get their panties in a bunch about the plight of indignoose peeples then maybe look towards some that are still here.  A bunch are featured in this handsum new book befour they pass away.

Nov 20, 13 10:23 am  · 
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oh, and as foru Thanksgiving dinner, I think I'l go cannibal this year and eat a native.  If i can find one to roast.  But i'm probaly stuck with turkey like everyone else.

Nov 20, 13 10:24 am  · 
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curtkram

you're full of shit tammuz.  the sand creek massacre was in colorado, which wasn't even part of the united states when the pilgrims landed on plymouth rock.  it was generations later.  i understand some of the stories children are hearing about thanksgiving are not accurate, and that should be fixed.  but what you're saying is nothing but a bunch of useless shit.

you've already said you believe there was a meeting, with food, between a native american tribe and european settlers, and they agreed to peace for a while.  be thankful for the peace you have while you have it.

who were your ancestors?  why don't you tell us about them, and the people they killed, and the people they enslaved?  because it turns out, war and slavery are not limited to white people. 

actually, i'm just kidding.  continue to hide behind the hate and vitriol you project on everyone else, since you're so much better than us sinners.  i'll just go feel bad about the part i played in something that happened long before i was born, long before my forefathers even immigrated to this country.

Nov 20, 13 11:16 am  · 
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3tk

I see this as a harvest festival.  heck I suppose it's the same that some people see Pearl Harbor Day as a victory celebration (sort of) and others a dark day of remembrance.  Meh, just be sure that your representative government doesn't make the same horrible mistakes on your behalf, right?

Turkey: I'm going to try one of the heirloom bronzes this year - usually brine in an orange juice + cranberry juice mixture (gives it an extra color) with anise/allspice/thyme/rosemary/salt/peppers.

Potatoes:  might stick with a mashed idaho taters; though I did a sweet potatoe mash with curry and chutney which was pretty darn good a few years back.

Beans:  very lightly sauteed in butter and tossed in the oven with red pepper flakes, honey and maybe some cheese.

Orzo salad:  fall veggies, honey and lemon juice.

Pie: pumpkin and a bourbon maple chocolate pecan pie - based on Paula Deen's 

Appetizer: bacon wrapped dates with brown sugar.

Nov 20, 13 12:03 pm  · 
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gwharton

LOL at tammuz doubling down on his ignorant, foolish sentimentality about the Indians. The hate is strong with this one.

I've got a Thanksgiving recipe secret for those interested.

If you're making pie crust from scratch (which is the best way and not that difficult, so DO EET), substitute vodka for half the water called for in the recipe. This will give you an amazingly light, flaky crust that has to be tasted to be believed. You need liquid to make the crust dough hold together and be spreadable, but water in the dough causes the formation of gluten protein strings which cause it to get dense and chewy. Alcohol does not cause these protein chains to form (SCIENCE!). You do need some gluten chains to give the crust shape though, so don't go too far with the vodka substitution. Half is just about right.

Bonus tip: if the crust is for a pumpkin pie, use whipped-cream flavored vodka (the only thing it's good for). You can thank me later.

Nov 20, 13 12:23 pm  · 
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DeTwan

I do have to admit, without $Hansum$ and Tammuz this site would be alot more boring.

Nov 20, 13 12:31 pm  · 
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x-jla

I will have enough guilt from all pie and stuffing...no room for white guilt.

Anyway, Tammuz do you celebrate your birthday or do you mourn because of the fact that your birth increased the carbon footprint of humanity?

Nov 20, 13 1:47 pm  · 
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+++ jla-x

Nov 20, 13 2:04 pm  · 
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3tk

gwharton: sounds delish! will have to try... even if it means being seen buying a bottle of whipped-cream vodka...

Nov 20, 13 2:53 pm  · 
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curtkram

you can buy whipped cream vodka on thanksgiving.  it's part of the thanksgiving miracle.  that's why squanto died for our sins.

Nov 20, 13 2:56 pm  · 
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won and done williams

Ahahahaha this thread only keeps getting better. Bordering on an archinect classic. Well done, everyone!!!

Nov 21, 13 10:42 pm  · 
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∑ π ∓ √ ∞

Meh, I'll be sitting down to tofurkey with Kanye and Kim, contemplating which fake passport to get, and wondering how America got to be the only place in history to perform ethnic cleansing.

Nov 21, 13 10:44 pm  · 
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DeTwan

fake passport of Central African Rep...what I always wanted to eat camel! Take me to Africa for Thanksgiving!

Nov 21, 13 11:28 pm  · 
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Roast turkey with cranberry jalapeno sauce and a good bottle of Antinori Chianti.

Did you know that the turkey was Benjamin Franklin's choice for national symbol? If things had been different, we might be sitting down to a nice roast Bald Eagle.

Nov 26, 13 10:18 am  · 
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MyDream

Turkey, samuel adams cherry wheat, stuffing, green beans and everything else that i see that is edible. Other than stuffing my face and drinking i will be watching the thanksgiving football game and o yeah eating lots of sweet potato pie.

Nov 26, 13 10:32 am  · 
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Listening to some nice music ...

Nov 27, 13 4:40 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

A local brewery made some Cranberry Ginger Blonde Ale that really should go nicely with the turkey dinner I will be housing.

Nov 27, 13 4:51 pm  · 
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zonker

VPN access to office server from PEETs - got a submital next week

Nov 27, 13 4:55 pm  · 
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observant

Listening to some nice music ..

I see.  It seems that Svetlana has replaced "Olga from the Volga" as the go-to name.  Moscow reportedly has some metro stations that look like the lobbies of 5 star hotels.  May she be music to your ears ...

Nov 27, 13 5:47 pm  · 
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gwharton I will try that with the vodka!
Nov 27, 13 7:11 pm  · 
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snooker-doodle-dandy

Thinking I'll head down to  Foxwoods Casino and do some gaming.....Tammuz, by the way it is owned by the Pequot Indians.  They don't close for any Holidays!  Wish me Lady Luck...They claim to be the largest Casino in the world.

Nov 27, 13 8:16 pm  · 
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Happy Hanukkah, tammuz.

Nov 27, 13 11:32 pm  · 
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chatter of clouds

The National Day Of Mourning - Please watch this

Nov 27, 13 11:32 pm  · 
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observant

t a m m u z:

I have one word for you:  vaffanculo!

I can see a few snide or hijacking comments, but not the monopolization of a thread about a time for family and friends, most of whom would be contrite about past transgressions if sufficiently informed.

And, I'd like to add, NONE of this is based on religious, historical, and political differences, since I largely don't give a shit about them in my small life.

Cross the border tomorrow, and help yourself to an extravagant, though not necessarily extravagantly priced, buffet - one that includes turkey and cranberry sauce - and party with us Americans.

I used to think you were melodramatic, passionate (only in terms of personality), and even funny.  Now, I think you're excessive, prickly, and even annoying.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone else, and those who share these sentiments.  In some time zones, it IS Thanksgiving Day.

Nov 28, 13 12:01 am  · 
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chatter of clouds

for the many of you have made fun of native americans and their affairs, using them as a way of mocking my posts on this thread and thus disclosing their racism (noting that gwharton was a unique case of an extreme expression of racism) : 

One of the most important areas of change needs to happen in regards to there being equal respect to Native American citizens of the United States.  I say this because as far as I can tell it is completely acceptable in mainstream society to be racist against Native Americans.

Nov 28, 13 12:29 am  · 
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wtsall

I imagine Tammuz to be that kid at a birthday party screaming at the top of his lungs because everyone is paying attention to the birthday boy instead of him.... and throw in a little aspergers.

Nov 28, 13 12:38 am  · 
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chatter of clouds

"The genocide begun in 1637 marks the beginning of the conquest of the entire continent until most Native Americans were exterminated, a few were assimilated into white society, and the rest were put in reservations to dwindle and die. 

In other words, to celebrate Thanksgiving in the US is like setting aside a day in Germany to celebrate the Holocaust.Thanksgiving is the American Holocaust. "

from  http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/11/25/thanksgiving-celebrating-the-genocide-of-native-americans/

Nov 28, 13 12:40 am  · 
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gruen
Bought veggies for our thanksgiving feast today (fondue and salad) from the Indian store. Playing board games with the family now. Happy thanksgiving everyone!!
Nov 28, 13 4:48 pm  · 
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curtkram

I stained my lips blood red with cranberry sauce just now. Good stuff. Followed that with pumpkin pie. The detroit game was pretty good despite half a dozen turn-overs. Hopefully oakland gets their shit together. Now we could talk about how concussions, lack of oversight at the high school level, and growing concern from parents are going to eventually kill football. Looking forward to thanksgiving rugby some day in the future.

Happy thanksgiving to everyone that wants to be happy
Nov 28, 13 6:46 pm  · 
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Roast turkey, cranberry jalapeno sauce, white and sweet potatoes, steamed green beans, a ncie bottle of Chianti and apple crisp with ice cream.

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And to all my friends on Archinect - thank you!

Nov 28, 13 7:56 pm  · 
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observant

Oh my God, the worst effin' buffet today, at a place that has delivered before.  Everybody in the party was uninspired.  I sat there wondering if my prospective Harrah's lunch buffet in New Orleans for $15.99 could possibly rival this place's dismal experience, which wasn't exactly cheap.  I am now considering a fixed menu lunch place in NOLA.

Buffets (Easter, Mother's Day, and Thanksgiving) which were good once upon a time are plummeting in quality.  I wonder if it's them or me.

Thanksgiving dinners held at home are always better, although they have less to choose from.

Nov 28, 13 11:53 pm  · 
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tityle

I'm in Europe but my friends still cooked some turkey for us - everyone says the ovens over here are too small for a full sized turkey. We didn't take any chances so went for something a bit smaller. For anyone interested in the facts behind Thanksgiving, check this out - apparently Americans eat 736 million pounds of turkey every Thanksgiving: http://www.statista.com/topics/760/united-states/chart/1665/happy-thanksgiving/

Nov 29, 13 6:34 am  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

We talked about personality types at our Thanksgiving. It was pretty cool. It is hard to have 14 people in one house for 4 days, you have to develop strategies for making things run smoothly. 

The kids called the turkey a chicken. 

Dec 1, 13 8:25 am  · 
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observant

We talked about personality types at our Thanksgiving. It was pretty cool. It is hard to have 14 people in one house for 4 days, you have to develop strategies for making things run smoothly.

Did you have to provide indoctrination on the 16 MB types, or were people already conversant on this topic?  Since *STJs are the most common types, were there many in attendance, which could have added to the stress ... assuming you don't roll with them as well as with other more mellow types?  Yes, this is interesting.

Turkeys ~ big, dumb chickens.  I hear they are very stupid creatures.

Dec 1, 13 12:25 pm  · 
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Wilma Buttfit

We didn't do MB, just talked about what made people happy and what stressed them out, we did use some MB language as everyone was familiar with it. This was my in-laws, no *STJ's. 

Dec 1, 13 1:19 pm  · 
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chatter of clouds

the day after the gluttonous celebration of the usurpation of a land and a people, they turn on each other

Oh Sinnerman, where are you gonna run to

Sinnerman, where are you gonna run to 

 where you gonna run to

Dec 1, 13 5:19 pm  · 
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observant

I imagine Tammuz to be that kid at a birthday party screaming at the top of his lungs because everyone is paying attention to the birthday boy instead of him....

This has probably been the best post so far.  I was thinking the exact same thing after this was verbalized.  However, we don't have a "like" feature on here.

T a m m, you're a big boy now. 

Dec 1, 13 5:26 pm  · 
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