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What do architects do during down turns?

Oct 13 '13 30 Last Comment
manoverde84
Oct 13, 13 3:11 pm

What other jobs do architects go into? When the economy slumps what fields do architects slide into? Computers, IT, project management,??

 

Osl8ing
Oct 13, 13 3:56 pm

Retail.

accesskb
Oct 13, 13 4:06 pm

gardening, mcdonalds, temp agencies, waiter, snow removal, grass cutting/landscaping, 

Miles JaffeMiles Jaffe
Oct 13, 13 4:33 pm

Repo man, collection agent, telemarketing, pole dancing.

Not necessarily in that order.

Miles JaffeMiles Jaffe
Oct 13, 13 6:24 pm

Wal-Mart greeter, restaurant health inspector, fast food counter help, hospital janitor, slaughterhouse cutter, sewer maintenance, porn theater janitor, TSA security scanner, Disneyworld mascot, 7-11 clerk, drug mule, mortician, proctologist, DMV processor

Many of these are relevant training for a career in architecture.

geezertect
Oct 13, 13 7:17 pm

Many of these are relevant training for a career in architecture

Who says an architecture degree isn't versatile?

Osl8ing
Oct 13, 13 7:21 pm

Rehab.

citizen
Oct 13, 13 7:21 pm

What do architects do during down turns?

Write, teach, volunteer, enter competitions, try another career, offer bitter commentary... all are popular choices in times like these.

geezertect
Oct 13, 13 7:46 pm

Kick themselves for not changing careers when the labor market was strong and alternatives were available.

gruen
Oct 13, 13 8:03 pm

Apparently I continue working as an architect.

LITS4FormZ
Oct 13, 13 8:58 pm

^^^^^^

Yup

manoverde84
Oct 13, 13 8:59 pm


Oh come on. That's too cynical. There has to be some ppl working in related fields; public works, parks, urban planning, computers, graphics, real estate development, project management for construction companies, etc. 



any of these ring true ? 


DeTwan
Oct 13, 13 9:42 pm

No... those fields want someone who has experience in that Kinda stuff... I got one, Sock puppeteer and sock muppet designer tooo... uhh and ahh!

led signal light
Oct 13, 13 10:10 pm

Oh come on. That's too cynical. There has to be some ppl working in related fields; public works, parks, urban planning, computers, graphics, real estate development, project management for construction companies, etc.

dude. before calling people cynical check your comprehension. all those things you listed above also go down when the times are rough for architects.

manoverde84
Oct 14, 13 1:00 am

But even at the lowest level what can a recent graduate expect? Auto Cad monkey? Junior architect? Arch technician? 

What hope is there?

curtkram
Oct 14, 13 7:16 am

at the lowest level? i don't think working as a drafter is the lowest level. 

Miles JaffeMiles Jaffe
Oct 14, 13 10:01 am

^ Seems like every arch grad thinks he's going to be competing with starchitects the day after graduation. This is the result of a massive con job propagated by schools and a sense of entitlement by those who drank the Kool-Aid. 

Maybe people should do some basic research *before* choosing a career path.

there is no there
Oct 14, 13 10:06 am

My whole generation grew up on Kool-Aid. And Sunny-D.

gruen
Oct 14, 13 11:17 am

What Miles said nearly knocked me out of the profession years ago. Entry level jobs are just that-entry level. The hope is that you learn and put in the time to work your way up and get real responsibility.

manoverde84
Oct 14, 13 11:54 am

I don't care about getting entry level work, just that there is work on some level. I didn't mean to say that drafter is lowest end, just that it would be nice to know that there's hope at the end of all this. 

And Jaffe what is this kool aid you think I drank. People tend to think the competition is stiff so they have concerns after graduation. What is this sense of entitlement you think younger generations have? 

bowling_ball
Oct 14, 13 11:58 am

A problem I've encountered is that employers never don't want to invest in on-the-job training, nor do they have the patience to give new employees a little time to get up to speed.  If you're not 'producing' at the same rate as everyone else in the office, by your second day, then your job is in jeopardy. 

curtkram
Oct 14, 13 12:20 pm

i assume the "sense of entitlement" miles is referring to is your expectation that someone will be there to offer you a job?  it's not your fault (at least imho).  your parents taught you that if you get a good education it will improve your life and all that.  now you're on your own.  good luck.

geezertect
Oct 14, 13 1:30 pm

Maybe the Kool Aid is the belief that you were entering a real profession (like law or medicine) where financial remuneration was a reasonable expectation.

manoverde84
Oct 14, 13 10:28 pm


So you guys wouldn't say architecture is practical professional field like law or medicine? The legal profession is saturated with grads with the same mentality only it's worse because if you graduate from a third tier law school you're SOL and might be relegated to becoming a clerk or a paralegal. It's the same darn thing. I know because I'm leaving law world to pursue architecture. I would think architects possess tangible skills that would help in many fields besides design. 



I find it funny that expecting a job has now been added to the list of "entitlements" in this poor economy. I agree that studying anthropology might be pushing your luck but architecture? I know construction'a been hit hard but I was asking what other fields do architects consider in times like this? 



For the record the only things I consider to be recession proof are medicine, the hard sciences; mainly engineering. Law is not one of them.  


geezertect
Oct 15, 13 11:44 am

I am aware of the problems faced by young lawyers, and I've read surveys saying that a majority of physicians would not recommend medicine, either.  By real profession, I was making a sarcastic reference to the compensation problems which persist in good times and bad.  What other profession almost takes poverty as a badge of honor and proof of your love and dedication?

Most architects probably tend to consider other real estate/construction industry specialties, but as noted earlier they are just different parts of the same industry and subject to the same boom/bust cycles.  When you are in the middle of a hurricane, changing the boat you're on may do you no good.

Nice
Oct 15, 13 12:54 pm

People love to complain. If you really want a job in the field and you are committed to it, you will find one. Try GC's CM's Real Estate Firms, Engineering Firms, etc.

The job market has changed and everyone needs to adapt rather than complaining that you can't find a job.

Miles JaffeMiles Jaffe
Oct 15, 13 1:58 pm

^ Or not.

A bit too much "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" for reality.

Xenakis
Oct 15, 13 4:02 pm

in 09' I adapted and 12 months later got back aboard - you just have to do what it takes - with every downturn, there comes a an increase in required qualifications.

Jean Nouvel
Oct 15, 13 4:45 pm

What do architects do during down turns?

Take on some free interns.

manoverde84
Oct 15, 13 4:52 pm


I'm not complaining. I will do what it takes. I was just wondering if there was hope even in the smallest measure. I'm not the type that just lies down and gives up. Plus money isn't all that important to me. Just enough to get by would be fine. 



Miles JaffeMiles Jaffe
Oct 15, 13 9:12 pm

+++ geezer for the hurricane metaphor.

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