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Perkins + Will's Ties to Halliburton

Apr 27 '13 19 Last Comment
SeriousQuestion
Apr 27, 13 10:22 am

So, it's known that Perkins + Will is partly owned by the Saudi Binladen group (SBG).

SBG is affiliated with Halliburton.  Does anyone know the extent to which P+W is affiliated with Halliburton?

 

b3tadine[sutures]
Apr 27, 13 8:34 pm

yeah, and OMA, Holl, and god knows 99.9% of the profession does work for communist china, your thoughts on that?

SeriousQuestion
Apr 28, 13 2:15 pm

I think that communist china is a disturbing authoritarian regime that in due time will overtake the west.  You didn't answer my question about Halliburton contracts.  Also, don't impute opinions onto me.  I had a specific question and was seeking a specific answer.

TED
Apr 28, 13 2:20 pm

If you have a 401k, you too may own a bit Haliburton.

SeriousQuestion
Apr 28, 13 2:23 pm

Non-responsive.

citizen
Apr 28, 13 3:10 pm

"Does anyone know the extent to which P+W is affiliated with Halliburton?"   Consider consulting actual news sources, rather than soliciting unsubstantiated anecdotes on a profession-based discussion board.

SeriousQuestion
Apr 28, 13 3:47 pm

Googled.  No luck.

snooker-doodle-dandy
Apr 28, 13 4:42 pm

Ya,  Dick Cheney is on the Board of Directors 0f  Perkins and  Will.....He wanted them to change the name from Perkins and Will  to" Perkins and Dick"....but was out voted  by the slightest margin.

SeriousQuestion
Apr 28, 13 5:01 pm

you guys are so adversarial.

design
Apr 28, 13 5:34 pm

This is actually a very provocative and interesting question.
However, it's not worth digging deep into.

You won't find much.... that's worth losing sleep over in the name of justice at least.

Those connections cen be pretty weak

Miles JaffeMiles Jaffe
Apr 28, 13 6:52 pm

Nice toy for exploring corporate relationships: http://www.theyrule.net/

b3tadine[sutures]
Apr 28, 13 8:26 pm

everyone spent the time essentially saying the same thing i did. impute opinions on to you, eh?

SeriousQuestion
Apr 28, 13 11:09 pm

None of them answered my question and were pretty snarky about it.  Kinda like you, I guess.  But they didn't say the same thing as you.  

Also, where in my original post did I suggest I had a position on anything?

citizen
Apr 29, 13 12:06 am

Sorry for any snark here.  It just seems like a rather charged topic about which you might get opinions here (or not, as it turns out), but probably not hard info.

Gregory WalkerGregory Walker
Apr 30, 13 8:53 am

serious - i think you have the obligation to back up your initial claims:

"it's known that Perkins + Will is partly owned by the Saudi Binladen group (SBG)"

 

really? i didn't know that. so who is the "it's" in that equation? source? backup?

"SBG is affiliated with Halliburton" source link to some ways in which they are affiliated? again, because i truly don't know that as fact but would be curious to know.

 

and we can't answer your conclusion because we don't know the first two. from the implied connection, it sounds like if (a) anyone at P+W knows what's truly going on, they're probably not talking about it for fear of losing their job and (b) there's a whole lot of room for innuendo which isn't backed up by fact. 

 

so, no one's answered your question because they can't (99% of us); they won't (see above) or they don't really care. 

gwharton
May 1, 13 12:36 pm

Interesting site recommendation, Miles. Haven't seen that one before.

Looking at it, I do see that one of Halliburton's directors, Stephen Malcolm Gillis, is also a director of AECOM. AECOM owns EDAW, Ellerbe Beckett, and many others.

curtkram
May 1, 13 2:33 pm

says on wikipedia perkins & will was bought by Dar Al-Handasah, a Lebanese consulting firm in 1985.  Dar Al-Handasah is a private partnership, so they won't have the sort of public record stuff/ SEC filings a public corporation would have.  Dar Al-Handasah is a founding member of the Dar Group.  i can't find who the partners are, but i bet there are a lot.  it was started by 3 guys in beirut a long time ago.

they're really big and have a lot of people in a lot of different places.  the same holds for SBG and halliburton.  these groups have certainly worked together, but i think it would be difficult to verify if they share ownership since Dar and SBG are private.  it kind of seems to me SBG mostly stays close to Saudi Arabia (though they are growing internationally).  also, SBG is apparently the largest construction firm in the world.

Perkins and Will's dubai office has halliburton listed as a client, so there is no doubt that there is a connection in the sense that people from the 2 organizations talk to each other about relevant projects (i hope; would suck if they work with each other and don't communicate).  to say P+W is *not* affiliated with halliburton would be more ridiculous than saying they are.

if you want real innuendo, via Mile's link above, David Lesar is on the board of Lyondell Chemical with Robert Blakely.  Mr. Lesar is on Halliburton's board while Mr. Blakely is on the board of Fannie Mae.  you can blame the government for that one.  halliburton is connected to CH2M through Tenneco.  i don't know if you're trying to find a connection between terrorists and P+W, but i would suggest almost everyone mentioned on the 'theyrule' website fits.

snooker-doodle-dandy
May 1, 13 4:46 pm

Didn't Dick Cheney shoot a Governor on  American Soil....wonder if he is a WASP Terrorist? He certainly has connections to Halliburton.

gwharton
May 2, 13 4:09 pm

Cheney shot a lawyer. Since that's something we all fantasize about, I'll give him a pass on that one. They lawyer lived, though.

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