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2012.03.12 22:11You know, I've come around to the notion of saving the building because it would be perfect as the world's first Sado-Masochistic Architecture Museum. First off, you wouldn't have to change a thing, nor repair anything, for that matter. The building would become famous--well, maybe famous isn't the right word, but such a museum would definitely garner lots of media attention. And just think of all the opportunities to educate the masses, but in a twisted way, of course. Some would gleam knowledge of what architecture shouldn't be, while others (at the same time) gleam knowledge of what architecture should be. Kinky, indeed. Oh, and the t-shirts in the museum shop say, "I visited the Sado-Masochistic Architecture Museum and all I got was this lousy t-shirt that says 'Shock me, I'm bourgeois!'" Wait! Wait! There's also another t-shirt that says, "Suck isn't the only thing that architecture does."
It's time for me to enlarge/combine both my houses.
The program is simple: add lots more period rooms
I guess the irony here is that pandering to the public is indeed one of the ways to make lots of money these days.
Then again, 'how to make lots of money' isn't one of the things taught in architecture school, is it?
If ours is "an era of decadent, mass-produced, Orwellian mendacity about everything our culture is or aspires to be," then isn't that what our architecture should reflect?
pop architecture? novelty architecture?
you believe that is what architecture should reflect?
other than that, i don't find that decadent need be strung along with the other words. and i don't know whether 'our culture' really aspires to be anything..no, even, perhaps 'our culture' aspires to be what it is not now and what it seems destined to be...so there is the possibility of contradiction in your question.
Of course there is the possibility of contradiction in my question--the contradiction was the point.
The question is mine, but not the quotation.
I believe in multiple choice:
a. Welcome to the Hotel Zeitgeist.
b. In the future, everything will be a Zeitgeist Museum.
c. In the futute, everything will be a museum shop.
d. One museum fits all Zeitgeists. (Period rooms of the world unite!)
e. In the Zeitgeist, everything will be the future.
The nice thing about virtual books is that they can morph so easily. For example, Infinite Ways to Stuff Stuff could just as well be How to Turn Every Corner of Your House into an Art Installation.
I disagree. Everything will be Casinos.
Re: a tale of two realities2003.07.13 15:39
I finished watching The Ruling Class (1972) last night. Funny how the whole denouement of the movie centers on the notion that fear must be re-instilled into the citizenry in order for there to be "proper" order.
The main character of the movie (played by Peter O'Toole) is the 14 Earl of Gurney, a paranoid schizophrenic who believes himself to be Jesus Christ, the God of Love. The climax of the movie comes when Jack "JC" Gurney is forcibly encountered with another schizophrenic believing himself to be the Electric Messiah.
My brother frightened me twice a couple of weeks ago when his prone-to-violence schizophrenic other surfaced after an absence of three years. Yes, I was frightened, but now-a-days I'm more just intolerant of the bullshit. The first time I stared the other down, letting him know I wasn't going to relent. The second time I told the other to leave (and he went downstairs), and then I went after the other to tell him to show me how to do correctly what I was apparently doing wrong, and that's when my brother without the other came back upstairs and began to help me.
"No one has yet suggested the likelihood of two Iraq's and/or two Baghdads, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if that place somehow became very metabolic as well."--excerpt from "city making and city breaking" 1998.12.17
Earlier today I re-watched Koolhaas on Charlie Rose to capture Koolhaas noticeably smiling when the subject of Prada came up. Having now taken a closer look it is hard to say whether Koolhaas is smiling (or at least as close to a smile that Koolhaas can get to) because of Prada or because he just got to say on TV that perhaps in the future all architecture "will be embedded in a casino." I was doing this because I'm presently working on PRETENSIONS OF AN UNARCHITECT, a multi-volume publication featuring the two things I'm apparently good at.
a religious reflection/response by someone who finds it unnecessary like Forest Gump to find Jesus and who strongly agrees with Jean Baudrillard - if god existed there would be no reason to believe in him. Nihilists may be the only ones who actually know god.
The doctors call it schizophrenia and the Christians call it demon possession.
(true as my memory will recall - the following)
one time in church at Gemeinde Philadelphia in Berlin, DE a bald lady started rocking back and forth until she broke into a raging fit sounding like a bunch of squealing pigs. my father and a few other men, about 5, had to wrestle the lady out of the sermon. the pastor had a talk with the lady afterwards and his son who I was friends with said the demon apparently was from the middle ages.
another time at a radical church camp, also in Germany, west Germany somewhere, we were returning from a park and in a tent it sounded like a chorus of 12 pigs were going at it. there were young guys pacing back and forth out side "speaking in tongues". I returned later to the tent to meet up with childhood American friend whose parents were also Christian missionaries and saw this 110 pound girl outside the tent sobbing. My friend was in the tent when she turned into 12 pigs that required multiple men to remove her. He said a cold wind blew through the tent.
I returned home from this summer camp, 12 years old and wasn't able to sleep on account of - what if I got possessed, what if I was someone else and I couldn't be conscious of it. who is to say you can't be possessed?
<>/\Witchhouse- - how do they do it with the symbols, can't find the Triangle? (witch house is an intense techno genre, check it out sometime) - I took a stab at it once - https://soundcloud.com/cteeter/fake-apples
and I will roll with you to Koolhaas via Frederic Jameson about Sze Tsung Leong's key sentence to the Harvard study on malls, which was apparently off hand according to Jameson -
"In the end, there will be little else for us to do but shop."
and then I minimized my screen to see my background on cycle for my Fairy Tales entry and this image appeared
If you look closely, the brick shattering the glass, that's Jesus from Pascal Dagnan-Bouveret - "The Last Supper"...
That painting overlayed shattering glass I did in 3dsMax over a drawing of the Pantheon from the 1800's with Heath Ledger as the joker peering into the scene. The yellow color is from the painting.
as I guy put it at work, after the brick shattered the glass of rationalism, dieing as the Joker, you come back as Jesus.
Quondam - as usual, it's been a trip.
Back in early 2002 I did a side-by-side in sequence comparison of the symmetry of The Ruling Class and The Belly of an Architect. Note too the symmetry of the beginning of The Ruling Class and the end of The Belly of an Architect.
The google tells me there are highly functioning schizophrenics.
What is highly functional?
I have not seen that movie, but I liked this image on Morphosis
my winamp nearly made this mix, but when I couldn't find all the tunes I re-organized.
I still disagree - everything will be Casinos - RealSpace.
didn't you say this was built over a Native American Burial Ground?
(don't mind me, my memory is ridiculous, I get bored)
Yes, Chris, the Bell House was built over a Native American burial ground. It was in the Salt River valley beyond Center, MO--half way between Hannibal and Perry (where I lived and worked summer 1978).
Here's all the documentation, note I delineated about half the drawings. The Library of Congress Historic American Building Survey collection is a great site for memory sans boredom.
Sorry to tell you lots of roadways and homes have been built over Native American sites. Note I do not use property, as property it was was not in the language of American Indians.Property is a Euro-Western concept. It is a Shit Storm or Euro-America with in interface of those who profited but also respected the American Indian. Take a look At Ed Lemon, who fenced in a parcel of land larger than the State of Rhode Island. He danced with the wolf. The Native American Indians and the Feds.
so the property was purchased for a Dam project and was recorded in detail I guess before the dam project happened?
Snooker-doodle-dandy - last night my music library on random landed on Corporate Avengers...
Quondam - you ever listen to Terence McKenna's talk about Shamanism?
not sure how to work Koolhaas into this other then a Dali postcard was on my floor this morning from the girls playing in the sunroom/playroom/library - you posted a sectrion from the Log 30 interview with Elia Zenghalis - wasn't sure if in the interview he is quoting Rem or not - based on your post (checked the issue myself and still not certain).
the difference is my card said Dali wanted to be a cook at 3 and Napoleon at 5. The EZ interview which I believe has Rem saying he wanted to be a cook at 6 and Napoleon at 7. The latter is more believable.
Chris, the dam project was already under construction in 1978, and, because the US Army Corps of Engineers was running the dam project (i.e., a Federal government project), all the structures in the area that were to be effected by the eventual new water line were (by law) considered for historical recording. Our team surveyed and recorded something like 2 to 3 dozen structures, and there was also a photographic survey of probably more structures although our team was not involved in the photo survey. There was also a team of archaeologists out there that summer.
After our architectural survey team was done with recording a structure, then the structure was torn down. It was during the demolition of the Bell House that the Native American burial site was discovered, thus demolition was halted and the archaeological team was sent to the site.
I don't know much at all about shamanism, except I remember once hearing that shamans often possess(ed) androgynous characteristics. Don't know if that's true though. Snook, this conversation is mostly in reference to this:
1999.02.11 10:28Re: electromagnetism in the bodyI'm now going to relate a story that may or may not have something to do with "feelings" and place.I spent the summer of 1978 in Perry, Missouri (population 839) as a Historic American Building Survey (H.A.B.S.) student team member. Our team was surveying and documenting two small towns and a variety of domestic buildings that were to be demolished after our survey because the land was soon going to be under water once the Salt River Dam was complete. One of the buildings I surveyed along with Barbara Hendricks (an architecture student/graduate from Texas) was so remote that Barbara and I were dropped off in the morning and not picked up again until 4 o'clock in the afternoon. The house was named for Samuel Bell, and it was a simple 2 story farm house with a front porch, central hall, and a gable roof running from side to side. I soon discovered that we could easily get on the roof by going out one of the second story windows and onto the lower roof of the one story addition to the back of the house. I suggested we eat our lunch up on the ridge of the roof.From the ridge of the roof a portion of the Salt River valley lay before us. The view was indeed beautiful, especially its rawness, and it was weird to think that this was all going to be under water in the near future. As a born and raised northeastern urbanite, all of rural Missouri offered me a plethora of new sensory impressions, and at this spot I found myself wondering what the "Indians" may have once thought of this place. Again, I was struck by the natural raw beauty of it all, and I said to Barbara, "I think this place is sacred." Barbara quickly retorted, "there are a lot of other places I'd call sacred before this."About a month later, toward the end of the summer when most of the team was in the office drafting, our team historian, Travis McDonald (who is today the resident architectural historian of Thomas Jefferson's Poplar Forest), came into the office with exciting news -- demolition of the Samuel Bell house was put to a halt and the archeologists, who were also working in the region that summer, were to set up a dig there because it was discovered that the Samuel Bell house was built upon an Indian burial site. I immediately turned to Barbara and said, "I told you that place was sacred!"In all honesty, I didn't experience any special "feelings" while I was at the Bell House. It just happened that the notion of sacredness entered my mind as I was giving a little thought to what I saw.
@quondam i would love to see/share in the image of that vista of the Salt River valley.
As for this "I don't know much at all about shamanism, except I remember once hearing that shamans often possess(ed) androgynous characteristics"
believe you were referring (at least in Native American Indian context) to the link between shamanism and berdache (see here and here) for example
I further disagree with myself. Everything in the future will be a slot machine. Mr. Teeter was suggesting in accordance with Terrence McKenna that schizophrenia is spiritual shamanism. Put a shaman on a slot machine and see what happens. Commentary on us or them?
You are all wrong. In the future, everything will be a Native American burial ground.
atypical: content for a museum
you're old as shit and still doing visuals that look like they came from someone trying to hard in studio...
And you're just shit without even trying.
The premise of this topic of BULLSHIT
Oh well. In the future, everything would be incinerated and melted and be a lifeless rock in space if not blown to pieces forming another asteroid belt.
Are you even capable of comprehending nuance? A well exhibited deficiency, for sure. Probably what keeps you exactly where you are.
The topic is more nuisance than nuance.
museums as content of a museum? 3394 3394b
Does that mean that, in the future, everything will be a museum in a museum?
Everything will be a Mall in the future.
close and cigars
2003.07.13 15:39Re: a tale of two realities Earlier today I re-watched Koolhaas on Charlie Rose to capture Koolhaas noticeably smiling when the subject of Prada came up. Having now taken a closer look it is hard to say whether Koolhaas is smiling (or at least as close to a smile that Koolhaas can get to) because of Prada or because he just got to say on TV that "If you extrapolate [the] current situation and current trends and the way architecture is evolving, it's maybe slightly too strong to say that ultimately everything will be embedded in a casino."[and, in case you didn't notice, the above passage is presently a museum artifact.]
Most buildings used to be part museums or at least art galleries when they were built with the inclusion of "ornament" (i.e. art) either applied or an integral part of their structure. Then along came Adolf Loos to declare that "Ornament is a crime". Loos should know about crime as he was a convicted pedophile. Why people are concerned in the least about the preachments of this creep is a mystery.
Volunteer, the notion that "most buildings used to be part museums or at least art galleries when they were built with the inclusion of "ornament" (i.e. art) either applied or an integral part of their structure" is very provocative and even inspired. It's like, forget the notion of "in the future everything will be a museum" because, in fact, most buildings already were museums.
[And, I have to ask, and not at all to detract from your contribution here but, did this notion occur to you within the context of this thread, or is this something already 'discussed' elsewhere and I've just missed it?]
Since Victor Hugo there's been the notion that historic buildings were texts, but it seems the notion of buildings as museums in themselves seems something new and even beyond that. Over a decade ago now I discussed the notion of art being appositional to architecture, and also, back then, the notion of architecture being a delivery of content, yet I never associated the 'applied' art and 'content' as then also manifesting a type of museum. I don't know if it means much to anyone else, but what you wrote above produced a huge a-ha moment for me, and the prospect of now again designing buildings as museums themselves seems to offer a fruitful new approach toward future architecture.
ps Excuse any hyperbole on my part; I just really like this idea.
More along the lines of a building itself as a museum...
2008.06.30 15:24the Miller House (should be more famous)"Ah, Detailotheca, the nimiety of detail museum.""If only all architecture were so self-evident.""I know. It never really was a house, was it?""True, but it's actually two museums.""Ah yes, the Reenactment of Late Le Corbusier Style Museum as well."
More of Samuel Ludwig's images here.
Just noticed a(n obvious) resemblance...
Headquarters of D.A.T.A 2008Department of Architectural Theory Annexation
every old italian ladies house is a museum...couch covered in plastic...china cabinet with plates not for eating on...figurines in glass displays...
ornament vs display...think there is a slight distinction...
On some classical buildings if you remove the "ornament" the building collapses. Take the caryatids for example which are statues used as support columns. If you replace them with one of the Greek column orders you have only substituted one ornament for for another. To completely do away with ornament you would have to replace the caryatids, or the Greek columns, with straight square cross-sectioned columns? It seems saying "ornament is a crime" is pretty much the same as saying "art is a crime", which is not too far from saying "being human is a crime".
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