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The above monologue seemed designed more to impress than to engage, minus the tale of the can, which was hilarious. Was that a means of stonewallling, or was it a series of feints, or passive-aggression, or flirtation? Something that gets me about the phenomenon of blogging and forum-posting (ha. I typo'ed that as "posing" - perhaps more appropiate) is when it is so competitive. And I'm more of the "la la la, ok you win, enjoy being the winner, now I'm off to do what I want anyway!" sort, so I don't know what to do other than note what is happening; the best reaction I can think of is "this is not part of my world."
I was present during the telephone conversation in its entirety and it did not even occur to me to feel insulted by Mr. Wigley's comments on the archetypal structure of blog threads, the pattern that arises in many conversations, and the roles that various actors play in these conversations, including the role of "the idiot." I did not agree with everything he said, but it was not insulting, or if it was, then it entirely went over my head because I'm an idiot. ;)
Due to the audio problems, I'm not sure that a transcript would be possible. Someone was shooting video but it's probably useless. As evident in the photos courtesy of Quilian, I was directly under the speaker and still had difficulty literally hearing some of what Mr. Wigley said - but still understood him pretty well. Perhaps the people at SFFAA had something wired-in to the phone that the audience couldn't see, and will eventually make it available/audible.
Lurkers are under no obligation to contribute, just because those who choose to assert themselves publicly feel uncomfortable at the thought of an unknown audience. It is probably good to remember that you don't know who is consuming your ideas at any given time. Whether you are more careful or will yourself to remain oblivious because of that... So who wants to be part of those "tennis matches?" If a conversation is a tennis match and lurkers are the audience... better to be the oblivious fat kid happily passed out on the upper bleachers with a melted sno-cone in her hand!
hi susan :P
the only potential lurker i care about is my boss. but i don't think thats a real issue. i still tend to not vent about or comment about the specifics of my job. its like being a sort of secret agent in that regard. i would like to gloat about a certain something that has happened in regard to my job, but i won't because, despite of what you guys think, i am a professional.
vado I thought you were the boss
thats the funniest thing i heard today!
do clients lurk?
i have to mention everytime i click on archinect and see Detlef from UPenn I get a funny feeling i'm back at school.
will read xeno in a minute.
i like the improv point via Bowering. i would call a lot of what John Cage has done "idiot" improv. but i think it would be hard to expect an .edu person to allow improv constantly, or in other words, being the head of some school programm you kind of need a mind for giving direction...i mean you don't show up at some highly priced instituion and except the explanation that for the next 3 - 5 years you will spend 6 digits on an education that isn't mapped out and frankly the head of the program has no idea where the program is headed...improv is very anti-architectural, well once you ink the idea at least.
surfaces, since your world isn't my world...i'd take the snow cone and put it down the fat kids shirt, bet on the tennis match, find out what emotionally damages the player i bet against, shout it out, make out with his wife during the tennis match, take my money, stage another tennis match, make the fat boy work for me for snow cones and rig the games...then i would retire and become the fat boy. it just feels better to kick some ass before you pass out as a fat boy...
...sorry metamechanic but have you ever taught? sort of an improv act in itself. a class might veer towards strange directions and if you're good, you know how far to stray and when to pull back, and how to tie all the loose ends.
i can't believe there's still talk on the idiot comment. wonder if anybody else had made it [other than a well known academic, i mean], would there still have been about one page's worth of discussion?
in any case, i don't find monologues engaging either.
Yes, exactly. Competitive, mean-spirited, smug ass-kicking? What a stunted little world.
my wife has started lurking...
@ Xentropy Here Here!
@ metamechanic I believe that you seem to be suggesting Agitation is at least for you preferable to being fat and lazy?
However might i suggest that in some professions or circles that that would be the height of agitation?
no haven't taught (archicture at least) but have had teachers that range in the improv manner, i think the best was Rhett Russo. we basically had an idea but where we went was based on what we did. i mean improv like pick up my saxophone and play whatever to whatever, so other than the saxophone there is no guidance to anything. and i am suggesting constantly to the point where the program itself is not program (although not program is a program)
surface, i presented something in studio which got me in trouble because it was completely misread. I had this picture on the left of a happy tribes member with a qoute from Jared Diamond talking about how when the neighboring country gets guns and technologies, you either adapt or get taken over. the image to the right was of mussolini with a qoute about how "happiness" never did anything for him. I was just trying to say, being to utopian liberal is dangerous, or don't bitch about the asshole who took your snow cone, because you'd rather sleep.
the world, WTF?
history is displacement. the diaspora of fat lazy kids are locked and loaded and coming for their sno cones.
i'm not sure that they really count as "clients" but when i was in grosse pointe a few months back at the height of the breuer library charrette i did meet many librarians, board members and random citizens who had seen and were actively following the relevant library threads (and maybe threads for all i know)
several of the archinectors who participated in postopolis! have remarked that it was great to finally meet some of these people in person....and, yes, that's great to connect with members our little community, but to take it a step further into the real world (or should i give a more trendy name, maybe lurkspace) and to be on site in grosse pointe and have people, complete strangers that resembled my grandmother, or eccentric uncle, introduce themselves to me and start talking about archinect and the things that myself and others had posted...that was just surreal...and deeply gratifying too because many of those people were very happy that we became involved in their issue and helped them avoid making a mistake by demolishing a landmark.
even so, having serious conversations with people and referring to others as "puddles" or "vado" and trying to explain some of the nuances of the behavior on our forum...i don't know how to describe it...just weird, i guess
Is this board dead....
Oh well the discussion continues with lurkers,
i think a DNR has been issued.
i don't know the author in person, but i do consider quondam.com a work of labor and art and i reserve a due respect for it.