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snook_dude
Jan 28, 13 2:49 pm

Vacation, yes.....snowing schools closing....and no sandy beach and tropical warm water in sight......ya it is a vacation getting  you hot steam facial every two hours.

Sarah Hamilton
Jan 29, 13 7:36 pm

Anybody read that Dear employers thread? Ameen seem kinda, well, bitchy to you?

will gallowaywill galloway
Jan 29, 13 8:44 pm

ha, just skimmed it now sarah (long train ride today).  very bitter indeed.

also just saw that apple patented their shop design.  that amazes me.  their stores are pretty generic aren't they?  apple knocked off all kinds of architects with their stuff, so can't quite see how it is possible to get a patent to begin with...

Sarah Hamilton
Jan 30, 13 1:25 pm

How do you patent a building at all?!

vado retro
Jan 30, 13 1:41 pm

doesn't the architect own the design? of course, perhaps a contract could be amended?

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Jan 30, 13 1:53 pm

I had a tour of BCJ and a presentation on the Apple stair design.  I'd take anything you read here on Archinect about Apple being some kind of evil empire with a grain of salt.   I know BCJ pushed the limits of glass technology with their design, but the contract between Apple and BCJ might stipulate who owns a patent on something like a stair fitting.  If Apple owns it, fine: the glass company could otherwise use those details to sell to someone else, and there is nothing wrong with wanting to own a design, as long as all involved parties are clear on who *does* own it.

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Jan 30, 13 1:57 pm

Also, you can't patent something like "glass-topped table with white legs for Ipad display"; you can only patent something very specific, like "powder coated white extruded aluminum table leg as per this exact profile and dimensions represented in Figure 1". So it's not the store design that's patented, it's the detail elements that when combined create the specific, quantifiable construction of the Apple store.

Of course, in China they just build their own exact copy and slap an Apple logo on it and no one is the wiser, because you can't internationally enforce a domestic contract unless someone in the State Department is willing to go to bat for you.

curtkram
Jan 30, 13 5:31 pm

sure you can donna.  our patent laws are horrible.  you can patent 'glass stuff' if you want.  all you have to do is keep submitting it until it happens to fall on the desk of someone dumb enough to approve it.

http://www.androidcentral.com/google-and-others-petition-courts-stop-upholding-vague-patents

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/ultra-vague-accelerometer-patent-filed-in-2006-seems-to-cover-ev/

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Jan 30, 13 6:38 pm

There may be some overlap there, curtkram, but what I know of patent law as applied to architecture is that general arrangements of elements - like a door in a wall or regularly elevated platforms allowing vertical pedestrian locomotion between floor levels - can't be patented, but a door made up of described components with specific connections to a wall can be, and a support system for stair treads can be.

I won't comment on the intelligence of patent approvers, as it seems they are way overworked.

will gallowaywill galloway
Jan 30, 13 7:39 pm

somehow i thought all the glass innovation was better embodied in the work of tim macfarlane not steve jobs.  in fact am pretty sure he (tim) did the design for one or two of those stairs in the shops. the rest is rather normal stuff, all in all, reminiscent of boutique interior design and very coolio for sure, but original enough to patent? my image of patent-able material is def naive, since i never thought genetic material was patent-able either, but apple stores are nowhere near as original as the products they are peddling....are they?  btw, i have no thoughts that connect evil and apple, just wondering about this patent deal.  seems odd at first and second blush to me...

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Jan 31, 13 9:05 am

As far as I know Bohlin Cywinski Jackson designed every Apple stair and store.  I've never heard of Tim McFarlane except I thought there is a comic book author with that name?

WWTCD: If you really really wanted book matched Carerra marble flooring but can't afford it what would you do?

will gallowaywill galloway
Jan 31, 13 9:21 am

surprised he is not more famous. tim macfarlane is the engineer dude who has made so many of those amazing glass structures possible.  lots of vinoly's stuff was possible because of tim, plus the stairs in apple. i thought he designed the stairs too not just do engineering, but that is fine line.

would love to hear the answer to the marble poser.  is there a solution?

curtkram
Jan 31, 13 9:31 am

walmart claims to have some very nice carrara porcelain tile

go to carrara and smuggle out tile from the source in your luggage?

Steven WardSteven Ward
Jan 31, 13 9:43 am

i do remember reading stories abt jobs himself working closely with BCJ on glass technologies that allowed them to do things they otherwise couldn't. jobs was also close with corning glass. maybe, beyond just the stairs, mcfarlane was part of this, too. i don't think they were after bold moves so much as - if they conceived of the jewelbox in a certain way - they wanted *no* need for compromise merely because of limitations in glass technology.

Steven WardSteven Ward
Jan 31, 13 9:45 am

Re: marble dilemma: sneak into an old grand hotel in the middle of the night dressed as cleaning staff and remove the toilet partitions.

will gallowaywill galloway
Jan 31, 13 10:07 am

sounds likely steven. Mcfarlane was already pushing glass tech by then so makes sense he would come in to take it farther...still not sure how the patent works though.  seems bizarre to me especially after a few drinks.

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Jan 31, 13 10:37 am

No! No architectural thievery allowed!!!

 

Um, in reference to marble toilet partitions, not Apple.

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Jan 31, 13 11:50 am

Finding a 2' deep beam smack in the middle of the wall where you want to put a new wide opening: not a great way to start a project.

Sarah Hamilton
Jan 31, 13 12:01 pm

Bummer.

Steven WardSteven Ward
Jan 31, 13 12:03 pm

Paint it invisible.

Steven WardSteven Ward
Jan 31, 13 12:07 pm

sorry, i'm peanut gallery today. sick with flu, day 9, about 6 of which have been spent mostly in bed.

b.o.r.e.d.

good news: as of tuesday i started to be able to read some, without crazy head- and eye-aches.

Sarah Hamilton
Jan 31, 13 12:31 pm

Then, Steven, it is up to you to ensure TC stays on top of the thread list today.

vado retro
Jan 31, 13 12:35 pm

sarah speaking of comments...a blast from the past...

http://archinect.com/forum/thread/39255/i-read-archinect-today-oh-boy

will gallowaywill galloway
Jan 31, 13 7:06 pm

hah. was confused donna.  thought you were saying apple stole design from somewhere, or vice versa...speaking of which, above comments by myself were wrong, since it was trademark not patent.  not such a big deal after all.  i do still wonder why steve thought he was being original with his architecturing...but now i don't have to worry that his misconception is backed up by a patent.  i can safely go back to my master plan to focus on minimalist interiors.

painting beams invisible is great idea.  goes well with paint as insulation. Ok, technically there is a paint-on insulation...

Nam HendersonNam Henderson
Feb 1, 13 9:17 am

morning all, steven what you reading? anything good?

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Feb 1, 13 9:43 am

Steven, stay away from me! I am panicked that one of my family will catch this awful flu this week when we leave for Brussels next week.  The thought of flying with the flu then being in a European city with the flu - ugh.

Sarah Hamilton
Feb 1, 13 11:16 am

Donna, I'm so jealous of your life. Please only post about dirty floors, cereal dinners, and the like.

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Feb 1, 13 4:49 pm

Sarah I could post about the deep physical and mental exhaustion I feel every single moment as a working mom and community volunteer that leaves me asleep and drooling on the couch cushions most nights at 9:30pm causing me enormous guilt because it means I'm a terrible companion for my husband.  Does that sound less glamorous?

Also, I forgot to run the dishwasher last night so I had to hand wash all the lunch box containers this morning. I'm a mess.

Sarah Hamilton
Feb 1, 13 4:54 pm

Hand washing and drool definately sound less glamorous.

toasteroven
Feb 1, 13 10:37 pm

I know I'd much rather brag about international trips than last weeks' adventure with a toddler's explosive diarrhea and projectile vomiting.  

 

now you're all left wondering if toaster was talking about:

 

a) a real toddler

b) something somewhere on the forum

c) rusty! (last time I invite him over)

d) a coworker's paint color scheme

b3tadine[sutures]
Feb 1, 13 11:14 pm

c

will gallowaywill galloway
Feb 1, 13 11:16 pm

a dishwasher sounds glamorous to me even if you never use it.

@ toasteroven, must be c.  only logical answer.

mantaray
Feb 1, 13 11:25 pm

Donna, that made me like you even more, if that's even at all possible.  

toasteroven
Feb 1, 13 11:40 pm

also, sarah, as an honorary canadian and an honorary woman (and an honorary volunteer firefighter),  I too feel like everyone else's life is far more glamorous than mine.  Reading books... who has time for that?  fancy people, that's who.  certainly not us honorary working canadian firefighting moms.  you know how hard it is constantly honorarily scrubbing poutine stains out of hockey sweaters - EVERY SINGLE DAY???  even after you just got back from fighting a forest fire with the mounties??? how much gravy and cheese curd can one person eat?? obviously not a lot because it's all over the f-ing sweater.  I have absolutely no time left to read Pierre Trudeau's autobiography.

vado retro
Feb 2, 13 8:45 am

attended a great lecture last night with guest speaker Errol Barron who teaches at Tulane. He spoke about architectural drawing and its iterations, Had a great chat with him later about John Soane's house and the idea of designing a ruin and then re-engineering it into a new building. It felt good to hear an accomplished architect here in our sleepy hamlet. All for the benefit of The Cooley House /http://www.cooleyhouse.org/ , which is being restored.

Steven WardSteven Ward
Feb 2, 13 11:13 am

so cool you saw errol, vado. he's a hero of mine. has had an amazing life trajectory: grew up an architect's kid in alexandria la, went to tulane and then yale, worked in rudolph's office, and has had a beautiful career of teaching, painting, practicing, and playing the flute semi-professionally. 

so i'm still sick, but have really not able to read much. that's like one of the only benefits of being sick in bed is that you're supposed to get to all of that reading, right?! hasn't worked due to headaches, dizziness, general malaise. i've just done a lot of laying there. at this point - day 12 - i've got about 3hrs of out-of-bed time a day during which i can function. 

Josh MingsJosh Mings
Feb 2, 13 11:56 am

Errol is great, and I wish I would have had him as a studio professor during my time at Tulane. I'll always remember compliments he gave me after two reviews I had with him. 

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Feb 2, 13 3:03 pm

Kids in the Hall, love them.

But toaster, your entire toddler comment is better than most TKITH!

snook_dude
Feb 2, 13 5:29 pm

V.I.P.

 André Cassagnes dies at 86, The inventor of the Etch A Sketch.

Figure most every individual who as walked thru Tread Central must have dabbled with and Etch A Sketch.

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Feb 2, 13 8:30 pm

Ed Koch died, too.  I was once a guest at a wedding at which he was also a guest.

 

Um, but, uh, Sarah…I was drooling on myself, so it wasn't at all glamourous. 

OK, I wasn't really drooling, but I *did* drive from Philly in a tiny car and change into my fancy clothes standing behind the door of the car in the Connecticut cow pasture next to where the wedding was held.

Sarah Hamilton
Feb 3, 13 10:46 am

Sounds like that movie "The Sweetest Thing."

will gallowaywill galloway
Feb 3, 13 11:25 am

i read putain instead of poutine, toasteroven. funny enough meaning doesn't change so much ;-)  trudeau's son is on deck now so maybe no need to worry aboot the auto-biography of pierre. 

best reading time is on train commute for me.  late at night also cool, if baby will go to sleep early enough.

get better steven.

Steven WardSteven Ward
Feb 3, 13 3:20 pm

thanks, will. dr follow-up tomorrow!

b3tadine[sutures]
Feb 3, 13 11:47 pm

So Donna is making homemade nukes, and steven has Ebola now?

Sarah Hamilton
Feb 4, 13 1:36 pm

bump!

 

And that godaddy commercial was gross!

snook_dude
Feb 4, 13 4:18 pm

I was changing into my fancy clothes standing behind the door of the Car in a Connecticut pasture, drooling at the cows.

Think we have a City Girl Gone Wild!

Steven WardSteven Ward
Feb 4, 13 7:58 pm

pneumonia. yay.

b3tadine[sutures]
Feb 4, 13 8:31 pm

At least it's not Ebola. Sucks though, be well.

b3tadine[sutures]
Feb 4, 13 8:33 pm

Why was the godaddy commercial gross? Chubby, sweaty and hives breaking out geeks aren't supposed to get supermodels?

Sarah Hamilton
Feb 4, 13 8:42 pm

I don't think it had anything to do with the supermodel. I think it was just a prolonged, way-too-close, intrusion into intimacy sort of thing.

Then again, the geek was ugly, and I can't confirm that had he been more attractive I wouldn't have closed my eyes and squirmed so much.

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