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Sarah Hamilton
Aug 17, 12 2:21 pm

America got independence in 1776, right? Or was it fourteen hundred and ninety two? Ah, what's it matter, we all know the US of A didn't become awesome until 1845 when Texas joined the Union

mantaray
Aug 17, 12 2:24 pm

That's awesome beta!  Coming from a family of immigrants I have a real soft-spot for immigrant issues.  I have a friend that volunteers with an Adult Literacy program here and I've been wanting to join her.  You're adding fuel to the fire. :-)

will gallowaywill galloway
Aug 17, 12 9:14 pm

totally on board with immigrants as nation builders.  almost all my best friends in canada were born outside canada.  now i'm expat i appreciate their effort even more.  learning a language and starting a career at same time is harsh.

snook_dude
Aug 18, 12 7:29 pm

Yes my no-native American Wife is my go to when it comes to spelling.  I was telling a client this last week and he told me his wife who is also Brazilian also proof reads  what he writes and does both grammer and spelling checks of what he writes.   Mr. B speaks several languages and doesn't speak some but has a pretty good indication of what the conversation is about.  When we went in for her natualization the only hick up we had was a year when they wanted to say I filed my taxes late when I actually hand not. We had to go back to the IRS and get some special document sent to the Immigration people. She had all the answers to the  naturalization test correct.  This will be her first Presidential Election, so hopefully she will help us stay the course.

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Aug 19, 12 8:50 am

snook, yay for your voting wife!  And beta it's wonderful that you're helping people on their path.  I love when immigrants become citizens, I've said here before it makes me cry every time I see a naturalization ceremony.  Especially now, when I feel so down on this country, to be reminded that for so many people it is so much better for their lives to be here than wherever they came from.

We just need to figure out how to make this exceptionally wealthy country work better for those who don't have a lot of money or access to it.  Hopefully we'll start getting better at it, though it will be a long hard fight for progressives to get there.

Rusty!
Aug 19, 12 2:26 pm

dude; 'does both grammer and spelling checks'

sounds like a full time job for poor wife.

Only 2 years or so until I'm a real Murican and can vote against my own interests. 

toasteroven
Aug 19, 12 6:29 pm

 it's kinda interesting that ayn rand is back in the news with ryan joining the race.  

 

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

 

- John Rogers

will gallowaywill galloway
Aug 19, 12 9:25 pm

hah, that's nice.  totally true too.  evidence is abundant.

toasteroven
Aug 20, 12 9:40 am

Only 2 years or so until I'm a real Murican and can vote against my own interests.

 

uh - Jabba the Ford?

 

Canadians are also pretty good at voting against their own interests.

will gallowaywill galloway
Aug 20, 12 11:25 am

bit different system though,  we don't pick prime minister.  still, harper's government makes me think of going home and getting involved in politics,  we barely resemble a proper european country at all now.  all we got left is gay marriage and universal health care.  barely liberal at all, really.

rationalist
Aug 20, 12 11:49 am

apparently my grad thesis got published in a book that came out last december... I'd submitted to this author for another book (or maybe it's the same book that got re-imagined and re-titled? hard to know at this point) like 3+ years ago. I didn't hear back, didn't hear back, finally posted a comment on their blog about the timeline and when the selections would be made, got a reply that everyone who got in had already been notified, so sorry but my stuff must not have made it if I hadn't heard. OK, it falls off my radar, then yesterday someone posts to my fb page that they were happy to see my work in this new book! WTF. I know I should be more excited about this, but I'm pretty irritated... why couldn't they have told people they were in? Because then they would've had to go to the expense of providing the traditional courtesy copy of the book to the people they're making money off of? I don't really want to go pay money in a store to people who've not exactly been awesome through the process.

will gallowaywill galloway
Aug 20, 12 5:38 pm

sounds like you need to put it up on scribd!

toasteroven
Aug 22, 12 4:21 pm

this is why you hire a professional.

b3tadine[sutures]
Aug 22, 12 6:02 pm

eh. it's just jesus, nothing to see there.

Phillip CrosbyPhillip Crosby
Aug 22, 12 7:42 pm

This has to be one of the greatest sentences ever written: "The once-dignified portrait now resembles a crayon sketch of a very hairy monkey in an ill-fitting tunic, he says."

Rusty!
Aug 22, 12 8:18 pm

I laughed out loud today at work when I read the Jesus Monkey story. Luckily noone was around me since everyone who used to sit close by either got laid off, or just left. Sigh.

Philarct
Aug 23, 12 12:03 pm

Toasteroven

the word Botched doesn't even begin to describe that mistake

Kevin TullyKevin Tully
Aug 23, 12 4:28 pm

On the New York Times website they have a story about the botched restoration with a picture then directly below it there is a story about a monkey in Tampa with a picture of the monkey kind of funny.

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Aug 23, 12 8:22 pm

Uh oh, Rusty, I don't like the sound of that.  The big city can be cruel, hang in there.

rationalist I'm also sorry to hear about your article fiasco. Any update, did you call them on it?

will gallowaywill galloway
Aug 23, 12 9:06 pm

I think that publication stuff happens quite a lot. 

We found ourselves in a thick book on starchitects (which is itself a joke if you know us) completely by accident last year, and apparently we were published somewhere in India though we never saw the final output.  lots of same in china.  it goes other way too -  last week we got a copy of a publication from Uruguay in which we were not included, along with a kind note. 

Publication just got too easy and the internet is training us all to be a bit sloppy...

 

about that painting restoration, i like the new version.  lots of jesus pictures around that look like the original, but not many like the old lady has made. not as good as buddy jesus, but it's gotta be up there.

rationalist
Aug 23, 12 9:13 pm

I called the author out on twitter but he never responded. I also get probably half a dozen emails a year from Chinese and Indian publishing companies wanting to use that project, but I never respond to those because I've learned that it's not worth it to put in the time publishing something absolutely everywhere, it's better to keep it top-tier. 

Nam HendersonNam Henderson
Aug 23, 12 9:35 pm

Will + rationalist re: publishing would you argue that it is just the way it is now, the new normal? Or should it be different?

Is crediting better than no exposure? Of course it probably also depends on what we mean by publish. If they are just using your images/project from you with no credit vs selecting you to be on a list/showing images of a project by you but that they create?

@Rusty what Donna said. keep your chin up or your head down ...

will gallowaywill galloway
Aug 23, 12 9:55 pm

i am glad for all exposure, myself.  it reaffirms my opinion of the world that irony is the only mindset that works.

usually we are credited.  just nobody tells us they are using our photos and text, or else just like rationalist describes, we get a request for material and send it off and never hear a bloody word again.  sometimes the book changes theme (like that starchitect one). 

established magazines do a great job of it all though and i am pretty happy when they hire their own photographers and writers to do the work, cuz then I don't have to, and you know its a thrill to read what someone else thinks of your work when its not in the context of a blog or on arch-daily.

but things are changing real fast even in the last 5 years or so.  with dropbox all we need to do is have a folder ready and it takes all of 10 seconds to get printable material out the door.  it used to be a pain with ftp sites and sending passwords and all that.  the barriers to publishing keep getting thinner and thinner, and the frenzy (panic) for new content keeps growing.  i can't tell if sites like archdaily is making it better or worse.  there is literally nothing we can't see or read anymore online, so what are books for?

RyuArch
Aug 23, 12 10:08 pm

This reminds me of seeing an ad absurdam amount of firms advertise being "published", "internationally recognized" or "awarded". It's like running in a race and everyone gets a blue ribbon for participation.  

Rusty!
Aug 24, 12 1:15 am

thanks Donna and Nam! 

First came multiple rounds of layoffs, followed by everyone else freaking out and preemptively looking for other opportunities. Best ones found offers and took them. Most of my favorite people are gone. My boss (who hired me) left as well. I have no boss now, and remaining partners are people I've never really spoken to much. Noone talks to me (except lower people).  Being a specialist, there is no reason for them to get rid of me, but it's just gosh damn depressing. Gah.

Back to topic; giving credit in architecture is such a silly notion. What, you gonna live off the royalties? The sad truth about us is the moment you stop working is the moment money stops flowing in. 

Work yourself to death! do it!

toasteroven
Aug 24, 12 9:58 am

rusty - that's why we need to do what rich people do and live off our investments - you just need a few million from daddy to throw at a bunch of different start-ups - and when one of them becomes the next facebook you cash in when they go public.  easy.

****melt
Aug 24, 12 10:40 am

LOL!!!  Nearly spit out my coffee reading that toaster.  Reminds me of "Can't afford college?  Just borrow money from your parents"  Cuz every parent out there has that kind of cash. 

Sorry to here about your co-workers Rusty.  We had one working on contract here.  He was great and everyone liked him, did great work, knew what he was doing. But his contract came to an end and things have slowed again so yesterday was his last day :'-( 

In the meantime they hired someone else directly, that doesn't even the know the difference between the sill and the frame of a window and doesn't seem to know how to use snaps.

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Aug 24, 12 4:44 pm

Did you guys see this:

I LOL'd and LOL'd.

curtkram
Aug 24, 12 5:38 pm

Donna wins the internets

will gallowaywill galloway
Aug 24, 12 7:37 pm

lol donna.

that's shitty, rusty.  you're totally right about how to make a living in this stupid business.  shoulda bin born to rich people instead of farmers.  very silly of me.

****melt
Aug 27, 12 8:25 am

Please excuse my ignorance, but who is that a picture of Donna?  It's really hard to tell

toasteroven
Aug 27, 12 9:10 am

melt - see my post above.

curtkram
Aug 27, 12 11:50 am

^-- he means the post that linked to this article, not the snarky post about living off investment income.

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Aug 27, 12 12:33 pm

I can't stop.  I love this story so much!

****melt
Aug 27, 12 1:07 pm

Thanks toaster and curtkram.  That's horrible.  Definitely hire a professional

toasteroven
Aug 28, 12 2:21 pm

has anyone been to the new barnes? - it's lovely.

Phillip CrosbyPhillip Crosby
Aug 28, 12 4:31 pm

i'm ashamed to say that i haven't been yet... drive past it all the time... come to think of it, that might be an excellent activity for this weekend since my parents are coming to town!

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Aug 29, 12 9:33 pm

Man that WHOLE guy is tiresome.

I just finished reading The Night Circus, and it was a lovely story I wanted to never end.  It has a pretty good architect character, too.

Nam HendersonNam Henderson
Aug 30, 12 2:29 pm

toasteroven while Hawthorne seems to me to make it clear with his review that the fault lies in the legal situation/restrictions related to the whole Barnes kerfuffle, certain phrases, sections stand out as fairly negative/critical of the project. Although for lack of graceful attempts by the architects. For instance " the new building suffers from a distinct lack of soul" + "latest example of a creeping gigantism in contemporary museum architecture" or  "high-culture, painstaking version of Disneyfication"....

Phillip did you have a chance to go over the weekend with family? What do you think?

Phillip CrosbyPhillip Crosby
Aug 31, 12 8:08 am

hawthorne is not impartial on the matter... he appears in the movie "the art of the steal" as one of the blowhards decrying the move as the greatest artistic crime of the century... i was hoping to maybe go this coming weekend, but then i realized there is a giant music festival on the parkway this weekend, so i'll probably be keeping my distance from that part of town...

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Aug 31, 12 11:09 am

Friday afternoon rally cheer:

 

I'm an architect.  Fuck, yeah.

jla-x
Aug 31, 12 1:00 pm

"high-culture, painstaking version of Disneyfication"....

I always hear architects hating on disneyland, but never met one that didn't have fun at disneyland.  Disneyland is fun!  Architects are way too serious.

design
Aug 31, 12 1:43 pm

 

Donna SinkDonna Sink
Aug 31, 12 4:39 pm

Oh, BTW everyone, tammuz is noctilucent.  I just figured that out yesterday while looking for threads on good examples of pre-cast concrete.

Barry LehrmanBarry Lehrman
Sep 1, 12 6:38 pm

bubble. bubble.... GULP! (ripple) (ripple) (ripple)

coming up for air feels good.

snook_dude
Sep 1, 12 8:24 pm

still struggling with corten steel   1/8" tolerance might be a problem when you talking about 500 pound  sheet of steel  fitting into place.   Ya for all those who knows and want to knows 16  GA  steel if for Babies... 3/16 in A588 plate steel comes in big ashe sheets....but you have to find some one to break it  and well in long lengths it does become a

Sarah Hamilton
Sep 2, 12 9:23 am

Snook, I hope you weren't crushed by your corten. Seeing that you didn't finish your sentence, I'm a bit worried.

Phillip CrosbyPhillip Crosby
Sep 4, 12 2:32 pm

bump... tc was almost off the first page... maybe everyone was crushed by snook's corten...

Sarah Hamilton
Sep 4, 12 6:22 pm

I'm being crushed by curriculum planning, too-fast students, parenting, oh, and the t-shirt I volunteered to design. Bah.

snook_dude
Sep 4, 12 9:06 pm

Sarah,

PROBLEM  in big letters. The fancier you get the harder it is to get someone to supply the material, cut the material, and bend the material.  Then you have to think about pre-aging the material, then Locking it into place once it has aged so the stuff does not  stain the crap out of everything underneath it.  It is a lot easier to toss up some vinyl siding and call it a day..but not in the heart and soul of an Architect.  We tackle the things which can't be done and try to do them. 

I was in the big apple yesterday and today....thinking about, " Chaos and Order" Had one of those high speed cab rides with a  mad man at the wheel.  But it was so much better than the  homeless guy sitting next to me on the wooden bench in the food court of  Grand Central Station who smelled like he had peed in his pants more than once.....then I was thinking if he does it while I'm sitting here I'm down hill....so I got up and stood , and keep shifting my weight from one leg to another so I would not feel the throbbing of my bad knee. 

I also found myself sitting at the base of one of the stairs from the upper level to the lower level.  I so wish I have my  video camera as it was just like...."Here Comes Miss America....but you would have to fill in the blank of MIss and America with two other words......I entertained myself for at least an hour and I didn't even have my video camera.

Summer is over folks....no more whites. 

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