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Dubai: the city of the 21st century!

Jul 18 '05 121 Last Comment
sporadic supernova
Aug 9, 05 12:33 am

Cellardoor.W. :- "the world " meaning the cluster of artificial islands shaped like the different continents , therefore it looks like the world map itself. Thats one of Dubai's projects. it's named "The world" islands or something like that. If I'm not mistaken, its being developed by the same guys who are doing the palm islands

Liberty bell:- There is absolutley no problem for female caucasians to get a job here. There is no sex discrimination here as I know it.

all said and done, Dubai is not like what the west thinks it is. It is one of the most radically free middle eastern countries with the "lowest crime rate" in the world (or so i've been told).

archpavan
Sep 28, 05 7:00 am

hi
i want your help regarding coming to dubai for a job.
i have got the job in dubai in some llc company.
and may be this november i will be coming to dubai.
can u please tell me if i don't like the job in two three months
and i want to chane the job to some other company in duabi
without having 6 months ban on my passpot, will that be possible.

archpavan
Sep 28, 05 7:26 am

hi
i want your help regarding coming to dubai for a job.
i have got the job in dubai in some llc company.
and may be this november i will be coming to dubai.
can u please tell me if i don't like the job in two three months
and i want to chane the job to some other company in duabi
without having 6 months ban on my passpot, will that be possible.

archpavan
Sep 28, 05 7:28 am

hi
i want your help regarding coming to dubai for a job.
i have got the job in dubai in some llc company.
and may be this november i will be coming to dubai.
can u please tell me if i don't like the job in two three months
and i want to chane the job to some other company in duabi
without having 6 months ban on my passpot, will that be possible.

roy2
Oct 9, 05 8:52 am
http://sinkingsands.blogspot.com/
http://www.pbase.com/bmcmorrow/dubaiprojects&page=1

"Dubai thrives on newness and bigness, in an act of ongoing self-stylization and fantasy. Hence architecture is crucial, for it defines these elements. Little more than a grand-scale shopping mall, the city is comprised of “mind-zone” spaces, and of airport-like lobbies. In this theme park orientated cityscape, there is no differentiation between old and new. Everything is recent. Yet everything seems to point to the twin towers of consumerism and tourism."
from
http://www.bidoun.com/contents04.html

anti
Oct 9, 05 10:43 pm

How is this any different than Shanghai?

cypress
Oct 10, 05 5:58 pm

Does anyone have any more information about salaries for architects in Dubai.

I have three years experience working in the USA after graduating with a Master in Architecture. Does anyone know what the range of salaries is for someone in my position.

Any info would be helpful ...

nicomachean
Oct 10, 05 8:28 pm

no hack mega-architecture for oil!

cypress
Oct 10, 05 8:36 pm

Thank you nicomachean

roy2
Oct 25, 05 3:33 pm

Latest photos:
http://www.pbase.com/bmcmorrow/dubaiprojects

Also,
Dubai via Archinect, Los Angeles Times and The New Yorker: or, Post-Oil Middle-East, Part III:
http://pruned.blogspot.com/2005/10/dubai-via-archinect-los-angeles-times.html

heterarch
Feb 1, 06 10:00 am

movie idea: "fear and loathing in dubai"

snooker
Feb 1, 06 5:29 pm

Hum....Dabai....could be the next Butte, Montana. Once the world discovers Canada Oil Sand in Calgary.

mimo
Feb 2, 06 11:44 am

My company has done work in Dubai and my coworkers have told me that the majority of firms they hire for projects are either British or American...seems like the rest of the world jumped on board a little later.

Does anyone know what the process is behind building an articifical island?? How do they assure that the islands' foundation itself will last and support everything they build?

Sandra777
Feb 17, 06 2:00 am

Hi People,
My partner and I are from Australia. My partner works in the buliding industry- as a foreman. We've been told there's good money to be made. so were looking to move over there for 12mths.
I am looking into learning arabic but until i do- can i make do with English?
I really don't know what to expect!

sporadic supernova
Feb 17, 06 3:04 am

No need "at all" to learn Arabic... I still dont know arabic and I get along just fine. If you are caucasian.. or for that matter since you are from Australia, then you can make a lot of money. the payscale is as per your passport and skin colour. the paler you are .. the better the money !!

Racist ? yeah I know !!

sporadic supernova
Feb 17, 06 3:06 am

mimo... for the islands... they just blast loads of sand in the water till they get the desired height !! being a desert country, they ahave loads of sand !!

no rocket science

metwo
Feb 17, 06 4:32 pm

That is correct, sporadic.
The only problem with the Palm is that architecture is rather dull and thematic.
Zaha is rumoured to have a new project in Dubai on an island. Rem Koolhaas as well. Has anybody got any images?
Also check these out:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=269274
http://www.studionova.org/

Sandra777
Feb 17, 06 9:47 pm

Sporadic Supernova, Thank you .

Nevermore
Feb 18, 06 11:50 am

Dubai: the city of the 21st century ????

umm dont think so..too small in size, small population:- ( w.r.to being called a super city ) and also too consumerist and touristy.
the bubble will break soon.

and Im in splits reading Le bossman's comment abt the bombay hoods holing out in Dubai. I wonder how he knows all that !.Lol..or has it become common knowledge.

In terms of highest real estate prices.Heck Dubai doesnt even figure within the top 50 cities.








spiderdad
Feb 18, 06 11:58 am
http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1708395,00.html

"Is Dubai, in fact, the fulcrum of the future global trading and financial system? Is it, in embryo, what London was to the 19th century and Manhattan to the 20th? Not the modern centre of the Arab world but, more than that, the Arab centre of the modern world."

interesting article...

spiderdad
Feb 18, 06 12:18 pm

sporadic supernova, Roy, others....

ive entertained the idea of moving to dubai, for a year or so, to make some dosh and hopefully pay off some of my hefty student debts...

but the whole racism thing puts me off...

i'm indian by origin, but british by birth (raised in the uk too)...

so from what you say, it wouldnt matter where i was from as my skin colour that would get in the way?

heterarch
Feb 18, 06 12:24 pm

within 40 years the "first" world will move away from oil. unfortunately, not for any good reasons, just becuase it'll be too expensive and inefficient. when that happens dubai will go poof. unless sand becomes a huge commodity (which is possible). as i said, i want to be the first person to photograph and shoot a movie there when that happens, because i can imagine few things more sublime than an empty and abandoned field of towers in the middle of the desert. like capturing a stand of roses next to an emaciated oasis, just past their prime and beginning their slow tumble in to decay.

MysteryMan
Feb 19, 06 3:18 am

Heterarchy, you can do that now! Come to Luanda.

Meanwhile, I lucked out & got to go to 2 fire tests in Pretoria, South Africa, but the real big wigs in my project are going to Dubai for the wind-water test. I'm jealous because I really wanted to go to the 'uphill' water-park & the world's biggest indoor ski-resort!

link

vado retro
Feb 19, 06 7:35 am

i cant wait for the first gold medal for dubai in the downhill. i hope it happens before the country goes downhill...

sporadic supernova
Feb 19, 06 8:21 am

Spiderdad,

the key is to get into a good firm ( read, corporate or european/US run). I was lucky enough to get into an international firm and so my pay is quite good compared to some of my seniors who've joined some regional (arab/ subcontinental) firms.they get just a tad more than the errand boy !!

British passport should do fine tho ... though you'll have a tough time trying to convince these arabs as to why you look indian, but hold a british passport.

sporadic supernova
Feb 19, 06 8:29 am

heterarchy,

lets get this out of the way.... "dubai has very very minimal amount of oil" it would probably run out tommorow. the bulk of the oil is in Abu Dhabi ( the capital of UAE )which has around 10% of the worlds oil reserves. they are currently pumping out millions of barrels a day and they are supposed to have enough oil to last them another 150 years. whats more ?? .. they've just discovered shit loads of gas reserves as well ... so any thoughts of uae running out of oil in the near future, is better rested now.. :)

it is for the same reason that dubai is investing so much in buildings and tourist oriented constructions .. i mean you gotta live here to understand... every other day theres a new mall coming up. its shopping shopping everywhere !!

the one thing dubai is good at is trying to get its name up with the other melting pots of the world. but it has a long way to go, since its not a natural stance, but an artificial one !!

sporadic supernova
Feb 19, 06 8:31 am

oh and Zaha's designed a bridge in Abudhabi... looks very cool.

but i spoke with the guy doing the stuctures and he sez that it's not structurally very sound. spending thrice the amount of money required.

but whats that to abudhabi .. they'll just pump an extra million barrels a day !!

vado retro
Feb 19, 06 9:32 am

150 years huh guess i'll go ahead and order this...

Nevermore
Feb 19, 06 9:53 am

ski resort in dubai..great

what next? An arabian santa claus wearing white ?

ooid
Feb 19, 06 5:44 pm

thats just synthetic architecture..nothing to be excited about except ali rahim's new buildings :)

9SquareGrid
Feb 19, 06 10:47 pm

Here's a link to a really interesting video showing a bunch of current developments in Dubai. It was put together by a Skyscrapercity.com forumer. The sheer # of projects is just unbelievable. Be warned, it's about 400mb and about 20 minutes long.

http://files.filefront.com/dubaimix3mpg/;4736071;;/fileinfo.html

sporadic supernova
Feb 20, 06 1:51 am

sure sandra ... no probs

btw .. is ee that you're a motorbike instructor ... interesting !!

sporadic supernova
Feb 20, 06 1:58 am

thats a nice link metwo ...

i see most of those projects, built or proposed .. on a regular basis.
it's good to see a documentation of all the projects ..

there are some really ridiculous projects that are coming up.. i'll talk about them eventually !!

cvargie
Feb 23, 06 1:59 pm

I am ashamed to say........... I worked on the ski Dubai project a couple years ago with a firm in Los Angeles.... It was a million sq. ft. project with absolutely no budget.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/architecture/indoorski.asp

cvargie
Feb 23, 06 2:00 pm

I am ashamed to say........... I worked on the ski Dubai project a couple years ago with a firm in Los Angeles.... It was a million sq. ft. project with absolutely no budget.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/architecture/indoorski.asp

metwo
Mar 2, 06 1:40 am

A Dream of Dubai
Half fantasy, half reality, Dubai is re-writing the book on urbanism
—By Nick Rose, Utne.com

A series of interetsting articles on Dubai's sudden rise to fame:
http://www.utne.com/webwatch/2006_239/news/12025-1.html

zoroaster
Mar 16, 06 3:18 am

Just thought I'd share this.. I thought I'd seen these somewhere before... (this is Chernikov)



(compare with >this<.)

But, at least they were inspired by the best!

sporadic supernova
Mar 16, 06 4:18 am

interesting right ? .. imagine seeing it everyday !!

well actually most of them are under construction right now .. so at most times they look like a scene out of a sci-fi movie !

Kentique
Mar 17, 06 3:45 am

So, When architects do get a chance to contribute to city building with great amount of budget, they repeat the same mistakes of the previous century, ignoring today and future?

Keep this post alive!

roy2
May 2, 06 2:09 am

Dubai is set to get a $30b tourism and leisure complex, the world's longest hotel strip:
http://gulfnews.com/nation/Travel_and_Tourism/10037084.html

Giant complex to add 29,200 rooms that will feature a cluster of 31 hotels, including the world's biggest, and some 100 theatres:
http://gulfnews.com/business/Hotel_and_Tourism/10037063.html

Dubai: Surreal machine / telegenic city: http://www.gridskipper.com/travel/dubai/the-surreal-machine-165651.php

archislave
May 2, 06 3:03 am

So where can one find information regardiing employment in Dubai? We should all go and leave when the bubble burst

sporadic supernova
May 2, 06 3:35 am

hmmm .. the best bet would be to find out which firms are operating here and send them your CV ..
another one would be to check out the appointment times in the two leading newspapers ..

www.gulfnews.com
www.khaleejtimes.com

archiman
May 2, 06 3:38 am

Also try
http://www.grapeshisha.com/
for jobs, cost of living, etc.

sporadic supernova
May 2, 06 3:46 am

haha .. grapeshisha ... he started out from a blog ...
he was going mad advertising his site for a long time !! ..

Ivan Kriakov
May 2, 06 2:49 pm

sporadic-

any idea on what would an average salary be for a white american out of an ivy league masters of architecture program with 1 year of work experience?

thanks

archislave
May 2, 06 7:46 pm

how about if your chinese with an Ivy degree

Becker
May 2, 06 9:56 pm

check out link . haha "closer to nature" right....

Also, anyone wanting to work in dubai as an architect, you don't get paid too much, unless your own international firm sends you there, as most of the work is done outside of dubai, only construction/project managing goes on in Dubai at decent rates.

squaresquared
May 2, 06 10:10 pm

What will happen to Dubai when all of the oil dries up??? I'm not convinced that the city will be very long-lived after that.

Becker
May 3, 06 12:41 am

The reason that they are building is eactly for that reason squaresquared. They are trying to ensure tourism will become the main source of income. its ironic though, because most of the buildings they are building are not exactly conserving fuel, and it is a known fact that nobody walks in Dubai, there is no street life, everything is a self contained unit.

Plus, when oil dries up, what city is not going to be long lived...

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